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Title: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Monday 29 June 20 07:25 BST (UK)
Thanks to Shaunj - Rootschatter on another page, i think I have found one of my long lost family tree souls!
Michael Kenny, born about 1828, in Tulla Co. Clare Ireland, long military career with 59th Foot regiment.  My ancestor - his wife Jane dies in Scotland in 1872, and he is discharged from army in 1873. (Stating that he would go back to Limerick, Ireland where I have failed to find him.   And now it appears that he has found his way to Oamaru New Zealand, where his pension was paid in June 1875.  So, as usual, I have jumped in - (not a  very well organised person) - and may have found a death in 1880 - have sent away to BMD NZ for a printout.  Have searched for migration/passenger lists in anc. and FindMyPast - no success as yet.  And have also discovered "Papers Past" - what a wealth of NZ info!  But also of course it has reminded me of how common the name Michael Kenny was. 
Have found one Michael Kenny in the general area of NZ, relevant period, who drowned, another who died as an old single "army pensioner" in 1890 (but wrong regiment).. and another very interesting Michael Kenny who had a wife Isabella and who both appear regularly in the local newspapers for drunken behaviour!!... 
Where to go from here?  I now have a feeling that the 1880 death printout I have sent for, might not be mine.... 
I truly appreciate the help Rootschatters have always been (Thanks again Shaunj - truly appreciated).. and I don't want people to be doing my work for me... But being quite inexperienced with NZ records, can anyone give me a bit of direction? 
I have always wanted to see NZ - having lived in Australia for more than 50 years (expatriate Scot) - who knows, if I confirm my NZ connection, I might just have a trip over, once all the travel restrictions are lifted!  Might be too old to travel, if I wait for UK travel restrictions to be lifted!  Thanks for your patience everyone!
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 29 June 20 07:59 BST (UK)
I know you have discounted this man but he is in Oamaru and the right age.....

1890/5829   Kenny   Michael   62


https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18901024.2.27?end_date=31-12-1890&query=michael+kenny&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1890

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OAM18901024.2.21?end_date=31-12-1890&query=michael+kenny&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1890


Added: Cemetery records show his age as 75 years.


Michael KENNY   75
Date of Burial   24 October 1890   Cemetery   Oamaru Old - General
Block   107   Plot   52


Minniehaha.



Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Johnf04 on Monday 29 June 20 08:07 BST (UK)
The National Archives, in Wellington, keep records of military pensions paid to veterans in New Zealand, by the British authorities. An ancestor of my wife was a military pensioner, and his record was accessible through a card index. Spades, the NZ page moderator, found the information for us, on one of his visits to the archives. My wife's ancestors' record has the date of award of the pension, the unit he served in, and dates of payment.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Monday 29 June 20 08:21 BST (UK)
Welcome to the NZ Board maggbill ;D :D

Just adding your other thread here ..just so others know what is on there, and saves a bit of duplication.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=833157.0


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Monday 29 June 20 08:26 BST (UK)
Hi Minniehaha,
You are right.  This man is the correct age - and though the stated "regiment" was 65th, not the 59th - it would be very easy for this to be incorrect.  The articles don't show that anyone had great knowledge of this Michael's life - so who knows.  Maybe i should go back to the NZ BMD's and see if there is an actual death registration for this one, and get some family details, if known.  - AT $25 a pop, I wouldn't want to be trying too many orders!!

Another "missing soul" attached to the story is "Mary Kenny" - Michael's daughter who was born in Tiperrary in Ireland in 1866 - is listed in Scotland 1871 census, living with her mother and grandparents (Michael being in Bombay or somewhere in India)... and a year or two later, after her mother dies, Mary, the child seems to have been looked after by her grandparents in Glasgow - sought Poor Law Relief - but it seems they got little help, as she would have been the responsability of her "parish" of birth in Ireland. The two grandparents disappear from Scotland, and think they die in Omagh Co. Tyrone, Ireland, in 1885, and 1890.  And if Michael Kenny is a popular name - well.... "Mary Kenny"... they are nineteen to the dozen.  Think her disappearance is an even more difficult one than her father Michael.  He may or may not have taken any responsability for her - as through her first 5 years or so of life, he was living a very distant soldiers life.  Oh well... onwards... but your suggestion is certainly a possible.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Monday 29 June 20 08:28 BST (UK)
Thank you very much for the welcome and the added post link KHP.  Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Monday 29 June 20 08:35 BST (UK)
Hi johnf04
Thanks for your info re the pension records.  I have found record of when the pension was granted to Michael - and that it was paid in Oamaru in June 1875, but no further details. Can I ask , did the records you got from the National Archives actually give you the ongoing payment details i.e. location and dates?  That would help re his date and location of death.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Monday 29 June 20 08:39 BST (UK)
Might be this set?

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullSeriesHistory.do

Quote
The names of persons receiving pensions that are contained in these registers are indexed into the General Biographical Card Index [BIO 1] located in Archives New Zealand, Wellington Office reading room.

Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Johnf04 on Monday 29 June 20 08:48 BST (UK)
Magbill - I have attached a copy of his record. John moved to Melbourne in 1889, and his record notes that. We have no record for his pension in Australia, and he died later in 1889.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 29 June 20 08:50 BST (UK)
"Hi Minniehaha,
You are right.  This man is the correct age - and though the stated "regiment" was 65th, not the 59th - it would be very easy for this to be incorrect.  The articles don't show that anyone had great knowledge of this Michael's life - so who knows.  Maybe i should go back to the NZ BMD's and see if there is an actual death registration for this one, and get some family details, if known."


The NZ BDM date of death shown above for 1890 was 24.10.1890, the same as the burial date.


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Johnf04 on Monday 29 June 20 08:56 BST (UK)
Might be this set?

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullSeriesHistory.do

Quote
The names of persons receiving pensions that are contained in these registers are indexed into the General Biographical Card Index [BIO 1] located in Archives New Zealand, Wellington Office reading room.

That's the one.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: spades on Monday 29 June 20 11:10 BST (UK)
Hi Maggbill,

There is a book published by the New Zealand Society of Genealogists titled Discharged in New Zealand. Soldiers of the Imperial Foot Regiments who took their discharge in New Zealand 1840-1870

I have looked through my CD version but there is no soldier named 'kenny' in the 65th or any other regiment (the 59th Regiment did not serve in New Zealand). Although an exhaustive work this book does appear to have omissions, men presumed to have taken their discharge in New Zealand but aren't listed (my own list has six names). Michael KENNY might be another one.

I next tried this database http://www.soldiersofempire.nz/database.html and found three men of that name, two in the 14th Regiment of Foot (this is the contemporary way of recording a regiment's title) and one in the 57th Regiment of Foot. I doubt that either are candidates. Some men left very little record of their presence in New Zealand.

You might find these websites helpful for background information.

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~garter1/history/65thfoot.htm
https://collection.pukeariki.com/persons/5154
http://www.soldiersofempire.nz/blog/injury-and-illness-on-and-off-the-battlefield-in-the-new-zealand-wars

I can look for KENNY in the General Biographical Card Index [BIO 1] noted above (thanks John) on my next visit just in case his name is there.

Spades



Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: spades on Monday 29 June 20 11:19 BST (UK)
For elimination purposes. A Michael KENNY was in the 70th Regiment in New Zealand in 1863, and thinking of taking 'French leave' (i.e. deserting).

Daily Southern Cross, 7 April 1863, Page 3
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pno/

Spades
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: spades on Monday 29 June 20 11:25 BST (UK)
I think that if the Oamaru KENNY can be proved to be your man the newspaper reports for him and Isabella must refer to him. How many Michael KENNY's were living at Oamaru at that period in time?

Spades
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Monday 29 June 20 11:57 BST (UK)
Hi again everyone
KHP - sorry, if I have confused the system - running the story on two different posts...Not even sure if I am even now posting in the correct spot... My apologies... So, much information - need to get myself sorted out - and unfortunately won't be able to do it tomorrow - got a volunteering job to do.  But will attack it definitely on Wednesday.

Spades - you said..."I can look for KENNY in the General Biographical Card Index [BIO 1] noted above (thanks John) on my next visit just in case his name is there."
If you could do this for me, I would be delighted.  To clarify - I know for a fact that my Michael Kenny - definitely 59th Foot Reg No. 3601., was discharged 18th Dec. 1873, Burnley UK (saying he was going back to Ireland).  I don't think that he ever actually served in New Zealand, but went there already as a Pensioner.  And I now know for sure that he, listed with other 59th Foot guys has his pension rate etc. listed at Oamaru 30/6/1875, but if you can find any ongoing record of his payments that would be brilliant.
I have now also found a passenger list for a Michael Kenny - with wife Isabella - from "Clare' i.e. Co. Clare Ireland, in 1874 - but he is listed as a "ploughman" - combined with having wife already in tow, says to me, he is not my man. ??

You truly are a brilliant lot!  Chasing up so much for me, .... "Rootschatters Forever" !!!!!
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: spades on Monday 29 June 20 12:12 BST (UK)
Hi again,

The fact that you donít believe he served in New Zealand is very helpful.

But you have a Michael and Isabella KENNY leaving Co Clare in 1874, presumably sailing to New Zealand (what ship, please?) and a Michael and Isabella KENNY living in Oamaru.

If it looks like a duck...

Spades
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 29 June 20 12:19 BST (UK)
Quote
was discharged 18th Dec. 1873

In fact he served a further 12 days and was finally discharged on 30 December 1873, on which date he was admitted to pension.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Monday 29 June 20 13:49 BST (UK)
Hi again Spades,

Michael and Isabella Kenny arrived in Otago on the "Caroline" 14th April 1874.  Will attach the page - not sure how this will come out -
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Monday 29 June 20 13:52 BST (UK)
Still doubtful that this could be my Michael - this ones' given age is 10 years younger than should be - ?? - and if it is mine he has gained a new wife - Isabella - would have to find a wedding for them in Ireland.... so many possibilities
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: minniehaha on Monday 29 June 20 22:11 BST (UK)
I think that if the Oamaru KENNY can be proved to be your man the newspaper reports for him and Isabella must refer to him. How many Michael KENNY's were living at Oamaru at that period in time?

Spades

Exactly my thoughts...... ;D

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Monday 29 June 20 22:25 BST (UK)
However the one who died in 1890 is said to be a pensioner of a regiment ( even though incorrect) and you would have thought that in all those report of Michael and Isabella ( And their daughter Jane) That there would have been some comment about that behaviour with respect to the fact he was receiving a military pension. I think there were two.

I canít see a birth for Jane or a death for Isabella.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 30 June 20 02:54 BST (UK)
Same couple?.....

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ESD18760308.2.7?end_date=31-12-1879&items_per_page=10&page=2&phrase=2&query=michael+kenny&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1870&title=AHCOG%2cBH%2cCL%2cCROMARG%2cDUNST%2cESD%2cLCM%2cLCP%2cLWM%2cME%2cMIC%2cMTBM%2cNOT%2cOAM%2cODT%2cOW%2cOSWCC%2cSOCR%2cST%2cTT%2cWSTAR

Bell Hill is in Dunedin.

A birth not found for this child.

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Johnf04 on Tuesday 30 June 20 03:03 BST (UK)
In the Oamaru Mail, March 19 1889, there is this story - the Magdalen Asylum was a Catholic institution set up to reform "fallen women". I wonder if this is Jane Kenny?

Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Johnf04 on Tuesday 30 June 20 03:04 BST (UK)
Same couple?.....

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ESD18760308.2.7?end_date=31-12-1879&items_per_page=10&page=2&phrase=2&query=michael+kenny&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1870&title=AHCOG%2cBH%2cCL%2cCROMARG%2cDUNST%2cESD%2cLCM%2cLCP%2cLWM%2cME%2cMIC%2cMTBM%2cNOT%2cOAM%2cODT%2cOW%2cOSWCC%2cSOCR%2cST%2cTT%2cWSTAR

Bell Hill is in Dunedin.

A birth not found for this child.

Minniehaha.

I wonder if she was born on the ship, coming out here?
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Tuesday 30 June 20 04:06 BST (UK)
Not if this report is correct

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LT18740722.2.16?end_date=31-07-1874&items_per_page=10&page=6&query=caroline+port+chalmers&snippet=true&start_date=01-03-1874
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Tuesday 30 June 20 04:34 BST (UK)
Hi there
Still taking in all of this info - and even if the Michael and Isabella are not my Kennys.... what an amazing amount of info about the early days - in particular, McKHa489 - the article about the arrival of the Caroline is just absolutely brilliant....  What an account!
And the "Burly man - ploughman"... that could be the Michael (and Isabelle).. on the other hand, it also says that a fair number of the men were army pensioners......

Not convinced yet, that these are this the Michael Kenny I want -
Have just received Death info from the NZ BMD people re the Michael Kenny who dies in 1880 - hit by a cab, broken ribs, couple of days later gets pneumonia and dies.... But.... Absolutely no detailed information about him, - no parents - no arrival date in NZ et... Only that residence was said to be "Christchurch"... so doubt if it is my Michael.... will see if i can attach it here.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Tuesday 30 June 20 04:41 BST (UK)
Really obsessed about this search now... should be off to do my other tasks - .... Just one more "red herring"......

Who found Jane Kenny and where found (daughter of Michael and Isabelle)??  I know my Michael and his Scottish wife Jane McNab had a child Mary Kenny (born Ireland 1866) - who then disappears .... Could it be another red herring/coincidence that Michael and Isabelle name their child "Jane"??  Mind you, Jane was such a popular name in those days.

Looking forward to tomorrow to sit down and really sort out all this info, and see if I can come to a conclusion - (ongoing pension payments,locations and dates are the only way i think)...  Must be off... duty calls!
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Johnf04 on Tuesday 30 June 20 05:16 BST (UK)
Magbill - did Michael KENNY serve in the same regiment the whole time he was in the army? John ANTHONY, my wife's ancestor, joined the 88th regiment in 1840, but then served in the 69th regiment from 1857. The 69th is the unit mentioned on his pension record.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Tuesday 30 June 20 05:25 BST (UK)
Hiya Johnf04
My Michael was with the 59th Foot Regiment his whole career, according to the Discharge records I have.  He travelled to Hong Kong, Cape of Good Hope, East Indies, Ceylon, and Canton in China throughout nearly 19 years of service.  Must admit that after all those years travelling returning to Ireland would have seemed a bit boring - and the distant lands of New Zealand would have been enticing! 
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Johnf04 on Tuesday 30 June 20 05:28 BST (UK)
Well, the other possibility is that the newspapers reporting the 1890 death got the unit number wrong.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 30 June 20 06:58 BST (UK)
Hi again Spades,

Michael and Isabella Kenny arrived in Otago on the "Caroline" 14th April 1874.  Will attach the page - not sure how this will come out -

If this is your Michael arriving in 1874, his age is shown as 35, therefore making his year of birth about 1839, which is somewhat removed from the approximate birth year of 1828 set out in the first post.

Added:I have not found a good death registration match for a Michael Kenny of this age. Nor any death for Isabella.

There is this cemetery record for a Jane:

Jane KENNY  45
Date of Burial   17 February 1887   Cemetery   Oamaru Old - General
Block   106   Plot   46

I have not found a corresponding death registration for her.


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Tuesday 30 June 20 07:53 BST (UK)

There is this cemetery record for a Jane:

Jane KENNY  45
Date of Burial   17 February 1887   Cemetery   Oamaru Old - General
Block   106   Plot   46

I have not found a corresponding death registration for her.


Minniehaha.

Could this be it?

Name:    Jane Kenney
Death Date:    Jan-Feb-Mar 1887
Registration Place:    Oamaru, Otago, New Zealand
Folio Number:    514

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Tuesday 30 June 20 07:56 BST (UK)
1887/176   Kenney   Jane   39Y

Drills down to 15 Feb 1887
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: minniehaha on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:08 BST (UK)
1887/176   Kenney   Jane   39Y

Drills down to 15 Feb 1887

Yes I went through that exercise but once again a discrepancy in the age. And was she Kenney or Kenny?

However that was just a side issue.  I think the difference in Michael's age should be addressed. 

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:10 BST (UK)
Sorry People,

This Jane Kenny is  not relevant to my Michael Kenny - death year/age means she would have been born about 1842... definitely not a child of my Michael...  And I don't even think it is the child of Michael Kenny and wife Isabelle, cos I am sure one of the newspaper report talks of Isabelle having a
"child in arms" - around 1874... so not this Jane... So.. Jane Kenny dying in 1887 I would say is a true red herring.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:20 BST (UK)
And yes Minniehaha,

I do think the discrepancy in Michaels' age - mine born 1828 - and Michael and Isabelle pair Michael being about ten years younger.....  Would have been quite happy if he was my Michael, cos there are so many juicy bits of stories to go with him lolol....
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: spades on Tuesday 30 June 20 11:49 BST (UK)
I note that Archives New Zealand holds coroner's files for a 1888 and 1890 death of a Michael KENNY, the former event in Auckland, the latter in Otago.

Spades
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Wednesday 01 July 20 07:48 BST (UK)
Just bringing up to date:
Minniehaha, - as per your original suggestion, I have ordered the death entry from NZBMD re the Michael Kenny who dies in 1890 - aged 65 - will see also if there is anything re the cemetery/burial?  Also Spades - have emailed the Archives re the Coroners report on the same 1890 death. 
Have spent a good while sorting out info.  The stories about the Michael and Isabelle (and ?daughter Jane) intrigue.
So, have another couple of questions.  Article of 1876 Re Michael and Isabelle "Who bore a child in arms, were jointly charged with having no lawful means of support.  They were discharge from gaol the previous day.... The Benevolent Asylum authorities having promised to look after them they were discharge"... Benevolent Asylum records still in existence?  also in 1889 "The girl Kenny .... is being sent to the Magdalen Asylum in Christchurch.."  Records still in existence??? 
Even if this family is not the right one for me - their story gives such an account of just how life was for many of the migrants...! 
So glad and thankful once again for the input of everyone.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Johnf04 on Wednesday 01 July 20 08:55 BST (UK)
This article refers to records of orphanages and similar institutions in Otago  - it mentions the Benevolent Institution.

https://www.otago.ac.nz/library/hocken/otago486006.pdf

There is an article about the Magdalen Asylum, but no records are mentioned.

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Cyc03Cycl-t1-body1-d3-d19-d27.html
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: spades on Thursday 02 July 20 05:04 BST (UK)
Hi Maggbill,

I think you should approach the Oamaru branch of the new Zealand Society of Genealogists to see if they can help.
https://www.genealogy.org.nz/Oamaru_187.aspx

Spades
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Thursday 02 July 20 06:16 BST (UK)
Hi Everyone,

Can I say first of all, that I am still wading through all the info given - educating myself on New Zealand at the same ti

And so many suggestions, and direction given.. Am very thankful to all.  Can I especially mention Mckha489 - like others you contribution has been fantastic, but to be truthful, I had sort of overlooked your name!!

I am now waiting for the death details of the Michael Kenny who died in 1890 - from NZ bmd.  The man who died in 1880 -lots of details in newspaper re his accident, fractured ribs, pneumonia death in Christchurch... but the death entry was totally bereft of actual personal details, so as suggested, fairly doubtful one. Fingers crossed that the 1890 death entry  is more informative. 

Spades - not bad idea to approach the Society of Genealogists - Can I just go back to your post on 29th June - you did mention there might be a possibility of checking the General Biographical Card Index (BIO1) as suggested by johnf04.  I am a bit vague about this avenue.. if it refers to the link to www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullSeries.do... I think I tried this - and it really didn't take me anywhere.  Have therefore left a message on the archway site, and hoping to hear back from them.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Thursday 02 July 20 06:41 BST (UK)
Hi again Spades,

Sorry - think what I emailed Archway about was the coroners report on the 1890 Michael Kenny death - nothing to do with accessing the General Biographical index.... duhhhh...  I am certainly learning more about NZ systems and records. Still a "newbie" in their regard though..
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Thursday 02 July 20 14:00 BST (UK)
Hi again everyone,

Just about to retire for the evening, and checking emails - have received the death of Michael Kenny - 1890.. And just on a very quick  check... it is definitely looking promising - will try to attach here, if the file isn't too big.
He is the old Pensioner age about 62, found dead by a neighbour.. and turns out that he had been in NZ about 18 years, - had married a woman named Jane Carther - in Limerick Ireland when he was about 42 years of age - and that there was a female child aged about 17 from the marriage.... 
So, it isn't our "Michael and Isabella" of infamy and "wild living"...  But it certainly sounds like my Michael - having gone back to Limerick as said on Discharge from Army- married a "Jane Carther" - and headed off for NZ.  She might have then died - and who knows where the daughter might be.    So - looking good... !
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 02 July 20 14:07 BST (UK)
Not "Jane Carther" but Isabella Carter

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11234/8118729.pdf
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: minniehaha on Thursday 02 July 20 20:43 BST (UK)
Some points to ponder......

The Michael Kenny who arrived in 1874 per the Caroline was said to be aged 35 years, therefore not born about 1828.

The opening post states Michael Kenny was granted a pension in 1875.

The 1876 newspaper report from Dunedin in reply #21 states he had "no lawful means of support". If the same Michael Kenny, what happened to the pension?

The 1890 death registration states he had been in New Zealand for 18 years. However that may not be accurate. Daughter aged 17 years so born about 1873. In New Zealand?

Minniehaha.

Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 02 July 20 20:47 BST (UK)
https://www.waitaki.govt.nz/our-services/do-it-online/cemetery-search/Pages/default.aspx?surname=kenny

Jane KENNY -  burial - 1887 - aged 39 years.       

Is this "Isabella"   ??

      ~  Lu
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 02 July 20 21:52 BST (UK)
Daughter ??    Death  ?

Jane KENNY
Died:  20 October 1892
Aged:  17 years   (bc 1875)
Burial Place:     Canterbury -  Mount Magdala Cemetery


   ~  Lu

*   Edit to correct spelling to "Magdala" :
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: minniehaha on Thursday 02 July 20 22:02 BST (UK)
The Michael & Jane Kenny connection......

1878- Assault on a daughter of Michael KennyÖ.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OAM18781227.2.5?items_per_page=10&page=2&phrase=2&query=michael+kenny&snippet=true&title=AHCOG%2cBH%2cCL%2cCROMARG%2cDUNST%2cESD%2cLCM%2cLCP%2cLWM%2cME%2cMIC%2cMTBM%2cNOT%2cOAM%2cODT%2cOW%2cOSWCC%2cSOCR%2cST%2cTT%2cWSTAR

Added: And again in 1880...

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NOT18800103.2.8?end_date=31-12-1882&items_per_page=10&page=2&phrase=2&query=michael+kenny&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1872&title=AHCOG%2cBH%2cCL%2cCROMARG%2cDUNST%2cESD%2cLCM%2cLCP%2cLWM%2cME%2cMIC%2cMTBM%2cNOT%2cOAM%2cODT%2cOW%2cOSWCC%2cSOCR%2cST%2cTT%2cWSTAR


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 02 July 20 22:18 BST (UK)
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OAM18890318.2.11

"Oamaru Mail" - 18 March 1889

Additional to info supplied by Johnf04 in Reply # 22  - "girl KENNY"   >

... Jane KENNY   (under heading of "Drunkenness" )


   ~  Lu

Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Thursday 02 July 20 22:55 BST (UK)
Just adding further info, this gives birth and mentions native of Ireland.  Apologies if it has already been given :)

Otago Nominal Index

Name : KENNY Isabella
Date : between 9 Feb and 9 Mar 1876
Description : Criminal offender; discharged from gaol
Birthdate : 1847
Title : Otago Police Gazette
Page : 29
Publication : 10 Mar 1876
Comment : Native of Ireland; 1 month; assault; tried 7 Feb 1876
Further enquiries to Research Librarian, Hocken Library Otago

Michael's birth is given as 1836 and Native of Ireland.

Good to see you back Lu :D


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 02 July 20 23:02 BST (UK)
Well done, KHP ... that's "good oil" for KENNY.   :)

And thanks ... good to be back (now time permits).    :)

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Thursday 02 July 20 23:16 BST (UK)
The School Record for Jane Kenny of Oamaru, who attended Oamaru South School on 19 July 1880, was born 26 July 1873.  Parent was Michael Kenny of Severn Street.


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 02 July 20 23:29 BST (UK)
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT18760310.2.22

Some additional info re: discharged prisoners who are referred to in above article simply as "a man and woman named KENNY"  ..
-  also mention made of (a warder) trying to obtain a free passage for them to Oamaru.

"Otago Daily Times" - 10 March 1876

     ~  Lu
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Thursday 02 July 20 23:30 BST (UK)
There is also a Jane Kenny who was admitted to the same school on the same day, parent Patrick, birth given as 16 Dec 1873 ... in saying that her Register Number was 699.

The Register Number for Jane with parent Michael was 1394 but former Registration Number was 699.

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Thursday 02 July 20 23:48 BST (UK)
So do you think that means Jane was Patrickís child, but something happened to him and his wife and she was Ďadoptedí by Michael and Isabella/Jane

In which case, is Patrick a relative?
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Thursday 02 July 20 23:54 BST (UK)
Something happened, wish I knew.  As Spades suggested, I think Maggbill will have to get in touch with the Oamaru NZSG to see what further records there are for this family.


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 03 July 20 00:02 BST (UK)
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NOT18751002.2.10.2

"North Otago Times" - 2 October 1875

A longish account of Isabella KENNY's appearance before the Court back in 1875.

[Have only skimmed over it  ... think it suggests that at one time she made "Limerick lace" for the shop she was later accused of stealing from ?     Adding this snippet so as to build a "picture" of Isabella and family. ]

    ~  Lu

EDITED to add ... In two earlier court appearances, when Isabella was on remand, she is referred to as "Elizabeth KENNY" in newspaper articles ("North Otago Times" -  25 and 30 September 1875 .   
Perhaps this was simply a reporters' error ? ) ).
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Friday 03 July 20 00:24 BST (UK)
Being a lace maker explains this piece, which I think has been posted before, where she was given a handkerchief to copy the pattern but then sold it.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OAM18780715.2.11?end_date=31-12-1890&items_per_page=10&page=2&phrase=2&query=Michael+Kenny&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1874&title=AHCOG%2cESD%2cLCM%2cNOT%2cOAM%2cODT%2cOW%2cOSWCC%2cSOCR

I am sure there was one article that had a physical description of Michael, but am having trouble finding it again.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 03 July 20 00:58 BST (UK)

I am sure there was one article that had a physical description of Michael, but am having trouble finding it again.
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Mckha ... anything to do with quote from maggbill  in Reply # 25 ??   "Burly man - ploughman" ...
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Friday 03 July 20 01:05 BST (UK)

I am sure there was one article that had a physical description of Michael, but am having trouble finding it again.

Mckha ... anything to do with quote from maggbill  in Reply # 25 ??   "Burly man - ploughman" ...
[/quote]

No it was a newspaper piece which said he was stupid looking, or ignorant looking or imbecilic in appearance. Something like that.

In the process of looking Iíve realised, maybe slow to the party, that the reason they were in Dunedin was they were sent down from Oamaru to serve their 1 month in gaol.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers?phrase=2&items_per_page=10&snippet=true&title=AHCOG%2CESD%2CLCM%2CNOT%2COAM%2CODT%2COW%2COSWCC%2CSOCR&query=Michael+and+Isabella+Kenny++&start_date=01-03-1874&end_date=31-12-1890
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Friday 03 July 20 01:11 BST (UK)
Limerick lace (before the alcohol got to them)

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NOT18741121.2.21.2?end_date=31-12-1890&items_per_page=10&page=4&query=Michael+Kenny+&snippet=true&start_date=01-03-1874&title=AHCOG%2cESD%2cLCM%2cNOT%2cOAM%2cODT%2cOW%2cOSWCC%2cSOCR
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Friday 03 July 20 01:34 BST (UK)

I am sure there was one article that had a physical description of Michael, but am having trouble finding it again.
Found it

Of Imbecile Appearance

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT18760309.2.21?end_date=31-12-1890&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=Isabella+Kenny+&snippet=true&start_date=01-03-1874&title=AHCOG%2cESD%2cLCM%2cNOT%2cOAM%2cODT%2cOW%2cOSWCC%2cSOCR%2cAHCOG%2cBH%2cCL%2cCROMARG%2cDUNST%2cESD%2cLCM%2cLCP%2cLWM%2cME%2cMIC%2cMTBM%2cNOT%2cOAM%2cODT%2cOW%2cOSWCC%2cSOCR%2cST%2cTT%2cWSTAR
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: spades on Friday 03 July 20 05:02 BST (UK)
Hi Maggbill,

I have both the 1890 coroner's report and the (Bio 1) Pension page for Michael KENNY for you.

Can you PM me with your email address, please.

Spades
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Friday 03 July 20 07:23 BST (UK)
Hi Everyone,
Well, just as well I have no plans for the weekend - can "isolate" and sort  out the absolutely unbelievable amount of info everyone has found for me.  I have had a quick look at all the posts in particular those of the last couple of days, and will do a brief summary and conclusion within a day or two. Suffice to say that I am so grateful to each and every one of you!  I hope that working on this old  "brick wall" of mine, has given you as much pleasure as I have taken from it.  Success!!!  Will get back to you soon.  Long Live Rootschatters!!!
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Friday 03 July 20 08:03 BST (UK)
Really looking forward to it  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: spades on Friday 03 July 20 08:41 BST (UK)
Congratulations, Magbill. :)

Can't wait to read your conclusions.

Spades
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Friday 03 July 20 08:43 BST (UK)
Another one here ;D :D
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Friday 03 July 20 08:49 BST (UK)
Patience everyone!  will take a day or so.. hope to get back to you as soon as I can!

Brilliant Mob!

Cheers
Maggie
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: spades on Friday 03 July 20 09:16 BST (UK)
Having seen those newspaper entries for criminal convictons and witnesses to crimes I went looking for matching entries in the New Zealand Police Gazette, I have found Isabella in the 1879 New Zealand Gazette. These have been digitized and are available to view on Archway:
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/Home.do

To find them search Archway for 'police gazette'. You will get pages of results but go to page 7 (see bottom of each results page). Find the 1879 Gazette, then click the hyperlink, 'Click HERE to access digital record Ľ'.

When the page opens click on the title button and be patient while it loads.

You will then see a page list on the left, all hyperlinked. The key to searching these records is to realise that each Gazette has one than one index, in this case a general index and another for Discharged Prisoners which in later years included photographs.

I found Isabella in the index for Discharged Prisoners H-L, and this referred me to page 22. Scroll down the page list and click on page 22, then look down the list of names for Isabella.

Use the page tools at the top of the page to rotate the image and zoom in.

Just one caution: don't assume the individuals' information is correct. They might not have told the truth!

Try searching other gazettes for matches to newspaper entries.

Have fun!

Spades


Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: spades on Friday 03 July 20 09:32 BST (UK)
Oho, you're in (more) luck.

I saw from KHP's post above regarding Isabella that it was sourced from the Otago Police Gazette (these were the first Police Gazettes compiled in New Zealand, I believe, copied from an Australian model and later incorporated into the nation-wide Police Gazette cited above).

The Otago Police Gazette for the years 1861, 1864, 1872-1877 inclusive have also been digitized and appear on Archway, and they cover the period of the KENNY's more frequent reported offending. Search 'otago police gazette'.

Spades
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Friday 03 July 20 10:45 BST (UK)
Hi again Spades.

I truly am learning about NZ records - the Police Gazettes/Otago one too are such a fascinating read.. will have to set aside some time to really check them out.  Did find the one for Isabella Kenny 1879 - very interesting - Says she was born in Malta, only 5 foot tall, scar on face.  I wonder where Michael and her actually got together... Malta was one of the few places he didn't go to as a soldier....  I might end up having to write a novel about this couple!
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Friday 03 July 20 10:52 BST (UK)
The 1876 one is on  page 29 (release from Dunedin gaol)
That one says born Ireland

However the Malta one seems reasonable to me. Remember the marriage certificate Shaun found her father is also a Pensioner, so she was likely a military birth.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Friday 03 July 20 14:09 BST (UK)
Hi Mckha489

Haven't had time to look at 1876 one - but will.... and thanks for pointing out that Isabella's father is actually a pensioner... Hadn't noticed... so she could have been born in Ireland, or even in Malta, if her father had been stationed there....  Lots to sort out

Cheers
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: spades on Saturday 04 July 20 00:05 BST (UK)
An easier way to search Police Gazettes is via Papers Past as they have appear on there as well. I had forgotten.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/periodicals/all

Canterbury Police Gazette 1863-1877
New Zealand Police Gazette 1877-1945
Otago Police Gazette 1861-1877

Spades
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Sunday 05 July 20 08:23 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,

As promised have spent the last day or two, working on a summary of "Michael Kenny".  I have a reputation for being wordy - and no matter how I try i still end up with a "timeline" for Michael which is about 4 pages long!  Might put it into a PDF attachment so that those who wish can read it... but not yet!
A couple of things needed to round off the story - am awaiting Death details for the child Jane Kenny who seems to have died only 3 days before her father in 1892 ... and therein lies another question, specifically for "kiwihalfpint".  Can you tell me where you found the school records of Jane   "- The School Record for Jane Kenny of Oamaru, who attended Oamaru South School on 19 July 1880, was born 26 July 1873.  Parent was Michael Kenny of Severn Street."... Certainly seems like our Jane, but could the date of birth be wrong?  Michael and the mother Isabella definitely travel to NZ on 14th April 1874 - and there is no child named on the list I have.. (must admit I have committed the ultimate error of genealogy - and not taken note of where I found the "Assisted Migrant" passenger list for them... - Have looked and looked, and though i have the copy - can't figure out where I got it from.!!!)
Also haven't found the death of Isabella... so time enough - while I await for Janes' death info...
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Sunday 05 July 20 08:45 BST (UK)
Hereís the shipping

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FSBM-966


I think ďweĒ have decided the older Jane burial is actually Isabella. (Havenít we?)

Quote
3 days before her father in 1892

Michael died 1890
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Sunday 05 July 20 09:10 BST (UK)
Woooops....

Thank you  for that...- have a bit of a head cold - got "brain fade" obviously... And so much info to sort out - I have missed out on a few points.

Have to go back and check out the "39 year old" Jane....  Would have to verify the actual name on death entry... Did she actually call herself "Jane" sometimes.... "Aliases" wouldn't have been a bad idea with all the criminal info on them.. but Oamaru wasn't that big a place ? - They seem very well known by community!
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Sunday 05 July 20 09:18 BST (UK)

and therein lies another question, specifically for "kiwihalfpint".  Can you tell me where you found the school records of Jane   "- The School Record for Jane Kenny of Oamaru, who attended Oamaru South School on 19 July 1880, was born 26 July 1873.  Parent was Michael Kenny of Severn Street."...

On one of my personal genealogy discs.  As for dates of birth on school records, sometimes we need to take them with a pinch of salt ...it wasn't always a parent who registered a child at school, Mum probably told an older sibling to register, and they didn't always get the information right, could have been a neighbour etc.  I have one in my family, that when registered, he apparently was three months older than his actual month.

Spades and I did suggest you write to the Oamaru NSZG.


Cheers
KHP

Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Sunday 05 July 20 09:26 BST (UK)
Quote
Did she actually call herself "Jane" sometimes

Noted as Jane on Michaelís death cert.  which suggests she did.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Sunday 05 July 20 09:28 BST (UK)
Hi again KHP

Thanks very much for your quick reply.  Your knowledge and interest are much appreciated. Must say that considering how much info and amazing involvement everyone has had with my project, I was actually a bit hesitant to contact the Oamaru NSZG - could they really help me with any more info than everyone here has done?  Could there be much more!!!???  Must say that of all the people I have worked on in my Tree, this one takes the cake as to "media coverage"!!! 
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: spades on Sunday 05 July 20 09:33 BST (UK)
You won't know until you ask!

I would recommend that you try every possible avenue. Local history societies often have unpublished material you might get other snippets of data to flesh out (sorry for the pun) your knowledge.

Spades
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Sunday 05 July 20 09:41 BST (UK)
I have no idea what information they will hold for the Kenny family, but you will probably wonder "what if" if you didn't get in touch.  There is no harm in finding out, and you could ask what further information do they hold for the school records.


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Sunday 05 July 20 09:48 BST (UK)
All comments appreciated - and yes, i will chase up the Oamaru group too... And Spades - sorry - I seem to have some issues with how my PM's present themselves (got your latest)... i have some really old pms' from various people which seem to always appear to confuse the issue.... Think I need a break - brain fade is getting worse.. Blame it on the winter bug I have... nooooo.. not the "big one"...!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Sunday 05 July 20 09:49 BST (UK)
Yes, to Local history societies, they can also be a goldmine of information.


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Wednesday 08 July 20 08:08 BST (UK)
Hi again Rootschatters

Well, I must say once again, a very sincere Thank You - and my true appreciation of the input each and everyone of you have had over this past week or so.  Since Saturday, I have been battling an incredible cold - thank God not the nasty virus (tested), so do forgive me if i have not got back to you all sooner.  As promised, I will attach a summary (4 pages!!) pdf file giving the outline of the story.

I wished to know if Michael had taken care of the child Mary Kenny,  who he had from his marriage with my 2nd great aunt Jane McNab,  and I now know the answer is a definite negative.
Instead I have found an amazing tale, of the latter half of his life.  I love how Australians are so proud of having convicts in their tree, but when you read the nitty gritty of army life, migration, petty crime and struggle, the reality hits home!!!

I have experienced the basics of the New Zealand genealogy system, but even more, I have once again learned that Rootschat is a great site.  The generosity, the knowledge, shared by one and all is to be truly admired.  Thank you again - I will now attach the summary.  Will get back to you all again if I receive the outstanding few pieces of information..   And another thing learned is that our obsession with family research never ends!!!   Cheers everyone!
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Thursday 09 July 20 04:18 BST (UK)
Hi again,

I have just received the death entry for young Jane Kenny, and as suspected she died of Phithisis - i.e.. Tuberculosis.  I found it interesting that her "occupation" is listed as "servant"... which made me wonder.  Were the inmates of the Magdalen usually termed as "servants"? Because considering her previous lifestyle, I doubt that she would actually have been employed by a family as a servant. Thought I would see if there were any census records - but as a "Kiwi records newbie" - was surprised and disappointed to find out - "The population of New Zealand was enumerated from 1858 to the present. However, the pre-1966 returns have been destroyed with the exception of a few for the Maori population (1891-Family History Library film 449437, item 2; 1911-Family History Library film 449444, item 8)."....  Was there a particular reason for the destruction of census records?  Have been spoiled with my long standing Scottish records - census records give some amazing information....  Will attach death entry for Jane.  I also found it interesting that Jane died on 20th October and was buried on the same day?  Didn't waste any time did they??  Will search for Magdalene records, but doubt that they exist?
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Johnf04 on Thursday 09 July 20 04:32 BST (UK)
My wife's great aunt Imelda Cavanagh was in a Catholic orphanage in Dunedin in the early 1900s, and in her teens she was sent out to work as a servant, from the orphanage.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Thursday 09 July 20 04:34 BST (UK)
And last but not least, here is the death entry for Isabella Kenny!  Seems she died of a ....lioma (cancer?) of the tongue, age 39.  Michael was not the informant of death.  And as for place of birth,  contrary to previous records, (born Ireland, Born Malta), it now states that she was born in England.

Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Johnf04 on Thursday 09 July 20 04:37 BST (UK)
I think that's epithelioma, and it does mean cancer.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Thursday 09 July 20 06:39 BST (UK)
Those certificates tie it up very nicely though donít they.

Very satisfying! ;D
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Thursday 09 July 20 06:59 BST (UK)
They certainly do tie it all together, mckha489,

And I have certainly really enjoyed the  whole project - Thanks to all of you amazing people!
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: spades on Monday 13 July 20 01:59 BST (UK)
Hi Maggbill,

Congratulations on finally being able to put Michael's history together.

There might be a bit more to come, as I still have to get that second Imperial Pension page for Michael KENNY which was cited on the BIO 1 card I sent you.

Spades
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Monday 13 July 20 10:14 BST (UK)
Hiya Spades,

Look forward to that additional info - whenever you get the chance - everybody has already gone "above and beyond" with their help and input.  Will also let you know when I receive the death entry for "Patrick Kenny" - not sure if he is a red herring - but name appears  in Jane Kenny's Oamaru school records... as previously said... Maybe his death entry might tell me what part he played, if any!  Cheers!
Maggie
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: spades on Friday 17 July 20 02:03 BST (UK)
Second and last Imperial Pension page for Michael KENNY sent.

Spades
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: maggbill on Saturday 17 October 20 06:40 BST (UK)
Hi Everyone who helped me with my Michael Kenny mystery - and again thanks for all your input.  Quite some time since I sorted it all out, and I think I did promise you a decent summary of it all, so please forgive me for not keeping my promise .  So, if like me, you are having a quiet Saturday afternoon, you might like to spend a wee bit reading my pdf file attached.  It certainly has proved to be a very interesting episode in my Tree - and reinforced once again - that Rootschatters are absolutely brilliant!  So, if something in your tree has mystified you for years on end - Don't give up!  It proved worth the wait for me!
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Mckha489 on Saturday 17 October 20 08:19 BST (UK)
Thank you for posting that Maggbill. A nice synopsis
It is always nice to see the final result.
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Saturday 17 October 20 08:26 BST (UK)
Thank you for posting that Maggbill. A nice synopsis
It is always nice to see the final result.

I second that.    :D 


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 17 October 20 22:32 BST (UK)
A most interesting read, maggbill.    :)

    ~  Lu
Title: Re: Michael Kenny Irishman Oamaru 1875 onwards
Post by: Johnf04 on Saturday 17 October 20 22:45 BST (UK)
Thanks for the story - it's always good to see things neatly tied up.