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Looking for Jack Walmsley marriage to Margaret Arnold July 1933 please, parents names hopefully.
Thanks
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Births
Jack Walmsley. sept qtr 1899 Bury 8c 566. Mmn Wave
1901 shows father as James - widower
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James Walmsley married Ada Wroe 1894 If you look at the 1901 entry an Elizabeth Wroe is shown as a boarder
Ada Walmsley aged 35 died Bury 1900
Daughter Doris birth shows mmn Wroe
Jack died 1975 - birthdate 19.8.1899
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Ancestry returned nothing so I checked Lancashire Archives and found this.
ORMSKIRK, St Anne; Archdiocese of Liverpool C 1736-1836 M 1784-1845
C 1862-1941 M 1866-1941
B 1750-1792
D to 1979
D to 1979
Copy reg Copy reg MI
Index
Microfilm Microfilm Transcript Transcript
DDX 241/26 MF 9/127 DDX 1500
It does not look like the records are Transcribed
This link will take you to the website so you can see it only looks like deaths have been transcribed
https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/media/67389/O.pdf
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Re Margaret
She died 1988 and birthdate shown as 30.12.1904 so any birth reg will be March qtr 1905. I would hazard a guess at her being the Prescot entry
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWY9-77H
If you check the 1939 entry you will find her mother living with them so that should help trace her in 1911
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Thanks all. Yes she should be a Prescot reg, I'm trying to get final proof that that is her mother who is connected to me.
It's the mother I'm interested in really, It's complicated. She was Mary Arnold nee Cain nee Meaney all RC records and I can't find Marys birth except for an index entry in our RC church for an Ann Connors to Mary no surname....and that same birth date that Mary gives on the 1939 census, you may think it's a transcription error but it is registered at the GRO and local office as the same thing.
So, Ann Connors married John Meaney dec 1865
Mary Meaney born Sept 1865 (before the marriage so maybe reg as Connors because there is no reg for Meaney hence me thinking the above parish record could be her) Trying to avoid paying the GRO just yet. So was looking for the marriage above to get fathers name as a clue. The fly in the oinment you see is my Mary Arnold(nee Meaney nee Cain) with the exact same birth date is also in her hometown with another daughter in the 1939 census.
Hope that makes sense because its boggling my mind.
Must mention, I do have ancestry
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Ignore - wrong info
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1901 entry - all b St Helens
James Arnold 33
Mary Arnold 34
James Arnold 1
Lucy Cain 15
Henrietta Cain 12
Annie Cain 5
Mary Cain 10
Matthew Cain 14
John Cain 7
RG13 Piece 3521 Folio 113 Page 45
Married 1899 - nee Cain nee Meaney as you mention
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That's Mary aged 34 in the census but her daughter Henrietta mother nee meaney was
born registered MQ 1889 but was born Nov 1888
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Mary Meaney was born Wigan according to this 1871 entry although all later entries show her b St Helens
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD65-PFQ
freebmd 1865 marriage entry shows John as Mainey as does www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
Mary was 5 in 1871 so born within the 1865 marriage span. The fact that her birth wasn't registered is not that unusual as failure to register a birth only became a fineable offence in 1874
Ann Connors was in St Helens 1861 with mother and sister RG9 Piece 2752 Folio 33 Page 57
Deaths December qtr 1885
Meaney John 47 Prescot 8b 491
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You could be correct but I had discarded that wigan birth on the census because they listed all children born Wigan but this is what I know from Baptisms
Parents married at St Anne Sutton
Baps at St Anne Sutton 1868 John Meaney reg Warrington because they lived in Burtonwood, which is quite close to Sutton
Then 2 children born Wigan, Ann 1870 and Joseph 1875
Ann was baptised in St Joseph Peasley Cross, next to Sutton No Joseph found
lastly Catherine (Kate) baptised at St Joseph Peasley Cross 1879
Therefore I assumed Mary would be born in Sutton (Prescot Reg) or reg Warrington but nothing found so far.
Every generation of this family has a mystery to solve ::) It would be my link line though
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It just occurred to me to search Cheshire BMD and it led me to find on the GRO - 1865 DQ Connor Mary mothers name blank registered Warrington ???
Seems to be Latchford though, would that be right for Burtonwood? The other one reg in Warrington was Sankey
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Latchford came under Warrington RD
Burtonwood was Lancashire to 1934 but came under Warrington RD until 1934 then Newton RD
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/places/regindex2-2.pdf
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Just another riddle then. Thanks for your patience anyway
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It gets worse :o
After searching into the early hours I found at the end of the entries for M in the parish recs CD
13/4/66 MYNEY Mary - parents John and Anne J - nee CONNOR of Peasley Cross
However, I couldn't find an entry in Free BMD, Lancashire BMD nor the GRO in any of the districts I'm interested in, and the birth date is different from the one I know is mine on census 1939.
:-\ Ugh!
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Was 13.4.1866 the baptismal date or the birth date?
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Birth date, Terribly different, not even close.
The other entry for Ann Connor mother Mary matches so logic says go for that but .....
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Did Mary die June qtr 1960 St Helens aged 94?
Still no answers re her birthdate if so
Born Sept 1865 - aged 94 by September 1959 so age 94 when death registered
Born April 1866 - aged 94 by 13 April 1960 so if she died between then & 30th June - she was 94
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I've noted down 1960 although I have no proof, no grave found yet as the records I have don't reach that far, will have to go plod around the churchyard. There were three choices on Lancashire BMD and the other 2 were born in 1880's
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St Anne’s R C Church has an email on their website so it might be worth contacting them. They also have a Facebook presence.
I have a vague idea that there might be copies of the registers at Ormskirk Library not that it’s much use whilst they are closed!
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The St Helens website records a burial of a Mary Arnold in 1960 but it was 11.2.1960 and is the wrong Mary - this one was 77 registered March qtr.
Nothing on the site for the 94yr old - burial or cremation
http://crem.oltps.sthelens.gov.uk/
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That's been the case with every line, dead ends all over the place, RC records are never easy but this has been hell. You are probably right, the solution is the burials. Thanks for looking.
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Sometimes the only solution is to physically locate the paper records and to peruse them in person.
5 years ago we were in a small church in a Dorset village where my Wife’s ancestors and came across the old records going back to the year dot, these had not been transcribed and we trawled through them looking for names of interest. I have about 100 images of pages of interest that helped fill in blanks on my Wife’s tree.
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Correct, I shall save that for later.
If they have them as these are RC records.
I just tried to email the church at Sutton about finding the burial of Mary in their funeral books but the email on the website is not working. ::)
Like wading through mud.