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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: Jayson on Monday 29 June 20 22:27 BST (UK)
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Hi
Can anyone help me find more information on Joseph Wright?
In 1891 he was a gamekeeper aged 46 yrs living in Sellatyn, near Oswestry. His wife was Ann and she was aged 38 yrs and was born in Wem according to the 1891 census. Joseph was born in Shawbury. Also in the 1891 census were their eight children namely
Joseph, aged 15; born Whitchurch
Frederick, aged 12; born Sellatyn
Eliza, aged 10; ditto
Sarah Ann, aged 8; ditto
Isobel Jane, aged 6; ditto
Susan E., aged 3; ditto
Herbert, aged 2; ditto
Arthur, aged ?; ditto
I don’t have the family on any other census. I tried searching for Joseph and Ann’s marriage but could only find one entry which was for W. Bromwich in 1870 which doesn’t seem right since they seemed to have always been in Shropshire.
Many thanks, Jay ;)
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Hi Jay
A start:
In 1881, they were in Selattyn at RG11/2656/117/2
Ann is recorded as Annie
GAdget
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Hey Gadget!
Thanks for that... do the other particulars match with 1891? Was Joseph a gamekeeper then?
Jay
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Could this be them in 1881. The first three children's ages match as does the occupation gamekeeper.
RG11 Piece 2656 Folio 117 page 2
Towpath? Selattyn
Joseph Wright 32 head ganekeeper Grimshall Shropshire
Annie wright 27 Weston? Shropshire
Joseph 5 Whitchurch
Frederick 2
Elizabeth 1 month
I'm slower than Gadget ;)
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Possible birth reg for son Frederick
Oswestry 1879 Q1 mother's maiden name was Williams
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Hey Gadget!
Thanks for that... do the other particulars match with 1891? Was Joseph a gamekeeper then?
Jay
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crisane's given details :D
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It certainly looks like the family I’m searching for, crisane :) Thank you for the lookup.
Trying to figure out where and when they married, that’s if they did of course as I could only find a ref in W. Bromwich which is miles away.
Jay
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Williams? Good job I didn’t order the W. Bromwich marriage cert ;D
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Could this be them in 1881. The first three children's ages match as does the occupation gamekeeper.
RG11 Piece 2656 Folio 117 page 2
Annie wright 27 Weston? Shropshire
Weston would possibly be Weston Cotton.
I can't see a marriage so far. Would they be on the 1911? That would show years married.
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They are in the 1901 with more children and 1911 census. Still a gamekeeper as is the eldest son Frederick. On the 1901 census they have a daughter Gertrude Wright age 7 and there is a birth reg for a Gertrude Louisa Wright reg dist Oswestry Sept 1/4 1893 vol 6a page 681 Mother's maiden name Williams.
37 years married on 1911
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I reckon you have the correct family, Gadget. I found a death on FreeBMD for a Joseph Wright in Oswestry district in 1914 aged 65 which is a few yrs out but looks like it might be him
Jay
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Crisane! Wow! Didn’t know there was another daughter called Gertrude. This would fit because Sarah Ann is my great grandmother and she named one of her daughters Gertrude :D
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Birth reg for son Frederick confirms mmn Williams
Joseph Wright Dec 1/4 1875 reg dist Whitchurch vol 6a page 73 mmn Williams
They had 15 children born with 3 deceased. So using the GRO index should supply the names of the deceased children.
Ida Mary is one of the children alive born c1899
1901
Piece 2543Folio 101 Page 6
Towpath Selattyn
Joseph Wright 50 gamekeeper
Ann Wright 47
Fred Wright 22 gamekeeper
Susan Wright 13
Herbert Wright 12
Arthur Wright 10
Frank Wright 9
Gertrude Wright 7
Harry Wright 5
Hida (Ida) Wright 2
All born Selattyn
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I’m so chuffed with all the information you have found, crisane. My father will be so happy :)
I wonder if Joseph and Ann married... I’ve looked on FreeBMD and on the Shropshire equivalent but nothing crops up. Strange.
Jay
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It could be that Ann(ie) was married previously and her husband died and the marriage to Joseph will show under her previous married name or she and her husband separated and She and Joseph couldn't marry. You could widen your search because it sometimes happened that couples married when the previous spouse died or maybe they just never bothered :) A few options to consider.
I have been looking for the baptism of an Ann(ie) Williams but nothing definite yet.
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Thanks for persevering with this, crisane :) Jay
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I've been think that's possible, crisane.
An interesting family on the 1861
Weston Heath, Wem
RG09/1888/9/11
Joseph Williams, 38, wood cutter, b. Weston
Emma, 34, b. Wem
John, 11, b. Hodnet
Ann, 7, b. Hodnet
George, 6, b. Hodnet
Elizabeth, 2. b. Hodnet
Gadget
(I took a break to watch the tele ;D )
PS - Hodnet is not far from Wem
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:o :o :o Gadget? You found Ann Williams! Great detective work! ;D
Joseph Wright was known as daddy Joe and he was over six foot tall and lost his hand... think dad said it was as a result of an accident with a gun
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I might have Joseph too!
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This is a poss- in Shawbury - not far from Grinshill WRONG ONE SEE BELOW
1861
RG09/1887/55/11
Shawbury Heath
Samuel Wright, 45, farmer of 24 acres, b. Shawbury Heath
Mary, 43, b, Whittington
Samuel, 10,
William, 7
Joseph, 5
Ester, 3
Children all b. Shawbury Heath
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Map link
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pnu/
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Just to say that that Joseph Wright is on an online tree and marrying a Mary Emma Cooke :-\
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:D
But there is another family on the 1851 and the correct age -
Grinshill Grove or Green?, Acton Reynald
HO107/1995/226/6
William Wright 53 Ag lab
Elizabeth 47, b Weston
William 12
Jane 9
Joseph 5
All b. Shawbury except Elizabeth
Gadget
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and map of location of Acton Reynald
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pnv/
:)
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I've found the marriage and viewed copy of certificate on Ancestry :
Joseph Wright full age Carter son of William Wright, labourer
Ann Williams full age dau. of Joseph Williams, woodman
married 29/8/1875 St. John's Church, Manchester.
Witnesses - Ruth Howard and R. Howard.
Why they married in Manchester I've no idea unless both had gone to work there where they met. Clearly they then returned to Shropshire where Joseph became a gamekeeper by the time his first child baptised in 1876.
Annette
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Thanks for that Annette. I had seen it earlier on FreeBMD but hadn't seen the full details.
What I have found for Joseph Wright born c 1845 is this possibility on the GRO index birth
Joseph Wright Dec 1/4 1845 registration district Wem and Whitchurch vol 18 page 191 mother's maiden name Williams
Is the mmn Williams a coincidence or were Joseph and Annie cousins?
I took a break to walk the neighbours dog Gadget and it poured and blew a gale!
I am going to have to write down all we have found so I make sense of it.
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:D
But there is another family on the 1851 and the correct age -
Grinshill Grove or Green?, Acton Reynald
HO107/1995/226/6
William Wright 53 Ag lab
Elizabeth 47, b Weston
William 12
Jane 9
Joseph 5
All b. Shawbury except Elizabeth
Gadget
The same family in 1841? Ages of those15 years and over appear to have been rounded down to the nearest 5 as required in the 1841 census only.
HO107 Piece 901 Book 19 Folio 4 Page 16
The Grove, Shawbury, Shropshire
William Wright 40 labourer
Elizabeth Wright 30
Sarah Wright 6
Ann Wright 4
William Wright 1
All born in county.
Birth reg for William, above ? On GRO index
William Wright June 1/4 1840 reg district Wem and Whitchurch vol 18 page 205 Mother's maiden name Williams
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Wow! So much information! I’m overwhelmed :D and ever so grateful to you all for the trouble you have gone too. ;)
One question... how would I order a copy of the Joseph Wright/Ann Williams marriage cert because I can’t find it on FreeBMD so can’t get the necessary details like registration dist. Vol. Page numbers etc.
Jay ;)
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The marriage is on FreeBMD, don't forget you are looking in Lancashire in 1875. ;)
Joseph Wright
Ann Williams
Sept 1/4 1875
Registration district Manchester vol 8d page 658