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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Liam59 on Tuesday 30 June 20 11:49 BST (UK)
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I've come across a couple of census returns in which it says "A form No. 301 refused". Does anyone know what this means please? What is this form, why would it be refused and what consequences may this have had?
Thanks in advance!
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Could it be where the householder refused to give information about who was living there :-\
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Form A is the standard house hold form, and it was an offence to refuse to answer the questions, 301 must have been a code used by the enumerators possibly to show the house holder had been asked but refused as opposed possibly to another code that might mean the householder was unable to answer.
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I've come across a couple of census returns in which it says "A form No. 301 refused". Does anyone know what this means please? What is this form, why would it be refused and what consequences may this have had?
Thanks in advance!
Hi, can you provide a link to your example (it's difficult to visualise)?
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Thank you all for your help.
Yes, here's an example of where a record says some kind of form was refused.
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Looks like Hugh filled it in
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000667768/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Buncranna/Buncranna__A_form_No__301_refused_/1181374/
It's the entire townland
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Buncranna/Buncranna__A_form_No__301_refused_/
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I haven't encountered this before, but just to note that the whole listing (including the police barracks) under that townland/street description has been so referenced:
Already posted above at reply #5.
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Perhaps it is some kind of administrative error?
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Look at the numbers on the list of the townland. There is no 301.
And the building return
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000667724/
Ann O Connor refused
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I'm wondering if there is a summary or covering page / card somewhere for these census returns, with the usual identifiers on it (Poor Law Union, DED etc.) and someone back in the day has written these words as a comment on that page / card (but by chance, in the immediate vicinity of the townland / street), simply to highlight that the return for no. 301 is missing, then someone transcribing the documentation for the NAI has literally interpreted the words as part of the townland / street. It's the only such instance I can find in the census so far.
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I'm wondering if there is a summary or covering page / card somewhere for these census returns, with the usual identifiers on it (Poor Law Union, DED etc.) and someone back in the day has written these words as a comment on that page / card (but by chance, in the immediate vicinity of the townland / street), simply to highlight that the return for no. 301 is missing, then someone transcribing the documentation for the NAI has literally interpreted the words as part of the townland / street. It's the only such instance I can find in the census so far.
That's exactly what I think happened, the enumerator made a note next to the address and the transcribers included in on all the addresses but only Anne O Connor refused and her form A is number 301.
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Yes, it must have been as it seems to be added on the electronic record for the whole area when the original scans just have this for one address. It confused me but makes sense now after your help.
Thank you again for all for your help.
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Just found this question, did we get an answer? I have it a few times in my family in Donegal.
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Yes.
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Yes.
Good, what was it? Because the previous answers referred to a single person. I have quite a few in my tree with the same annotation on the census.
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Read the tread again and look at the links.
The entire townland has A Form number 301 refused on each family's transcription page, but it only refers to one family. In this case Anne O'Connor who refused to fill in form 301
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000667724/
If your family's form number does not match the form refused number than the note does not relate to your family. You can look at the House and Building Return to see who refused to fill our the form.
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Thanks for that and yes I understand that someone refused in the household. I'm wondering who did, as it's not on the census for my family. Why did they refuse? And why did so many refuse in Buncranna (more than 306)?
I have many other family members in Cork ........... this refusal never occurred.
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Buncranna/Buncranna__A_form_No__301_refused_/
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Only one person/family in Buncranna refused. Anne O'Connor.
As your family has a Census return than they didn't refuse. They filled out their form as did all the other families in Buncranna, only Anne O'Connor's family refused.
The transcriber of the census messed up and attached the note about Anne O'Connor's form to everyone in Buncranna.
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Ahhhhh that is what wasn't clear. Thanks for that.
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I'm wondering if there is a summary or covering page / card somewhere for these census returns, with the usual identifiers on it (Poor Law Union, DED etc.) and someone back in the day has written these words as a comment on that page / card (but by chance, in the immediate vicinity of the townland / street), simply to highlight that the return for no. 301 is missing,then someone transcribing the documentation for the NAI has literally interpreted the words as part of the townland / street. then someone transcribing the documentation for the NAI has literally interpreted the words as part of the townland / street. It's the only such instance I can find in the census so far.
That's exactly what I think happened, the enumerator made a note next to the address and the transcribers included in on all the addresses but only Anne O Connor refused and her form A is number 301.