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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: caitlynn on Thursday 02 July 20 16:08 BST (UK)
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Hi I am trying to connect the Nicholsons of New Building and Ardmore Thank you.
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Have you any dates?
Newbuildings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newbuildings
KG
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Caitlynn has sent me a personal message which i am appending here.
Hi thank you for replying so quickly. I know of an Edward Nicholson, from New Buildings who bought Breech Hill House in 1879, from a George Alexander Kennedy - Skipton. The Nicholson's occupied the house until it was sold in 1989, when it became a Hotel. The Edward Nicholson was described as coming from a wealthy family in New Buildings.
There is in my family tree a Nicholson, but I have not yet been able to fit him in, have always been told that he was part of this family.
Who are the people in the photo.
Caitlynn - it's better to put information on your thread so that other RootsChatters can see it.
You have not attached a photo (you are not able to attach one in a PM).
KG
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I know of an Edward Nicholson, from New Buildings who bought Breech Hill House in 1879.......
There is this death in 1883 at Beech Hill for an Edward Nicholson aged 79. The informant was his son also living at Beech Hill.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06336/4817025.pdf
KG
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The Will of Rebecca Stewart late of Beech Hill in the County of Londonderry Widow deceased who died 7 February 1861 at same place was proved at Londonderry by the oath of Abraham Harvey Stewart of Londonderry Esquire the sole Executor.
Will mentions daughter Eliza McCausland wife of Henry Macy Skipton.
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Thomas Francis Nicholson (informant for his father’s death-reply #3) married Frances Lacy Byrne in 1900.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10364/5772897a.pdf
Cyril Anthony de Lacey Nicholson born 2nd February 1902
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01911/1741117.pdf
From: PRONI Will Calendars https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
Full Abstract :
Nicholson, Frances Agnes Lucy of Beechill county Londonderry widow died 4 May 1948 Administration Belfast 21 November to Cyril Anthony de Lacy Nicholson Queen's counsel. Effects £1125 18s. 7d.
Full Abstract :
Nicholson, Cyril Anthony de Lacy of Beechill Ardmore county Londonderry Queens Counsellor died 2 May 1963 at Hotel Mirimar Mohammedia Casablanca Morocco Probate Belfast 10 December to Eleanor Gerad Nicholson the widow. Effects £40993 5s.
KG
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Thank you for that information. I am trying to connect a James William Ferderic Nicholson to this family. Although born in Ireland, he was an architect and spent most of his time practicing in Manchester England. He met and married an Elizabeth McLaughlin in Coleraine in 1878, but all three of his children were born in England.Could he be a brother of Edward Nicholson d 1883, who also spent time working in England, where his son Thomas Francis was also born.
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The Nicholson/McLaughlin marriage gives his father as William Nicholson (also an architect)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11115/8068830.pdf
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Extract- Londonderry Sentinel, 8 Oct.1878: ... Coleraine, by the Rev. H. Henry, P.P., assisted the Very Rev. E. O’Neill, Rochdale, James William Frederic, only son of William Nicholson, Esq., architect, Portland Crescent, Plymouth Grove, Manchester, to Elizabeth, third daughter of John M'Laughlin, Esq...
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Note: these may refer to more than one architect named William Nicholson-
Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser, 25 June 1859: ... occasion. The edifice is ... the Gothic style of architecture, of the early English period, from designs by Mr. William Nicholson, architect, of this city.
Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser, 24 Mar.1884: LOCAL BOARD ELECTIONS. ... Mr. William Nicholson, architect, 130, Lloyd-street, Greenheys [?]...
Manchester Evening News, 31 Oct.1882: ... William Nicholson, architect and surveyor, 35, Portland Crescent, Chorltonon-Medlock...
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According to 1881 census William Nicholson, aged 50 years (c1831), was born in Derry & son James, aged 28 years (c1853), was born Manchester-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27G-1Y7Z
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I have found a reference to a William Nicholson, Born Co.Derry 1830, and moved to Manchester around 1851/2. Initially he was listed as a Civil engineer, but by 1853 he had added the profession of Architect. I wonder if he is the father to my James William Frederic Nicholson.
We also have an Edward Nicholson, are they brothers. He was Born Ireland 1806, moved to Manchester where he also worked as an Architect. He was I believe the owner of Beech hill.
The date you have found for William in the 1881 census seems to fit. Does it name the place where he was born? There are a lot of Nicholson Place, street names in the city of Derry.
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The date you have found for William in the 1881 census seems to fit. Does it name the place where he was born?
Did you not look at the link I posted? it says William was born Derry.
There are a lot of Nicholson Place, street names in the city of Derry.
I don't understand what you mean.
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Edward Nicholson, architect, Manchester, looks to have practiced there so not sure why be would have bought Beech Hill-
https://manchestervictorianarchitects.org.uk/architects/edward-nicholson
William Nicholson-
https://manchestervictorianarchitects.org.uk/architects/william-nicholson
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Sorry, getting a bit muddled. I have a reference which says that an Edward Nicholson, from the wealthy Nicholsons of New Buildings bought Beech Hill House in 1875, this is also included in a break down of his will, in 1884. Which states that the late Edward Nicholson, formerly of the city of Manchester, but late of Beech Hill house. According to a bio of Edward his last place of residence in Manchester finished in 1879. I know now that New buildings is a part of Derry, but was it considered such then? The dates for William being born in Ireland in 1830 would appear to fit into the chronology, I hope meaning that, although there is quite an age gap between them that he and Edward were brothers. On googling the name Nicholson, there appears a lot of streets, etc called Nicholson. I don't know how common the name of Nicholson is in Ireland.
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JWF was born in England (not Derry)- birth registered Jan./Mar.1853 quarter in Salford district (mother's maiden name Hodson).
Possible marriage- William Nicholson and Elizabeth Margaret Hodson on same page- April/June quarter 1852. The marriage will list William's occupation and should also confirm his father's name and occupation. The witnesses might be useful if they were relatives.
In the 1871 census William Nicholson has several older siblings in the household- following them should help fill out family tree and help confirm link to Derry or Edward Nicholson, architect.
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Thank you will follow that up.
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A few bits I found yesterday when searching which might be useful-
Sarah Nicholson (c1829/c1825 Ire.-1911 Beech Hill)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05388/4504071.pdf
In at least one census she is listed as sister of Edward Nicholson, If this is the case perhaps half-sister? Certainly much closer in age to William Nicholson (architect) and his siblings.
Edward Nicholson & wife Margaret-
Derry Journal, 24 Dec.1883: Death of Mr. Edward Nicholson, J.P., Derry. —This gentleman died at his residence, Beech Hill on Thursday morning. The deceased was a native of that of that district, and had in early life gone Manchester, where ...
Derry Journal, 17 Feb.1892: Nicholson —February 15, at Beech Hill, Margaret, relict of the late Edward Nicholson. Will be buried Ardmore Catholic Burial-ground on Friday, 19th inst., at eleven o’clock.
Can't remember if this was posted earlier.
1851 Census (Edward Nicholson)- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYC-7YT
Edward's son Richard Alfred Nicholson died 2 Dec.1889. His daughter-
Cork Constitution, 13 Feb.1894: ... Rev. Father Croskell, Thomas Francis Malian, Ardmore, county Derry, to Edith Mary, daughter of the late Richard Nicholson, of High Bank, bandiway[?], Altrincham. Cheshire, and granddaughter the late Edward Nicholson, JP, of Beech Hill, county Derry.
Edward's daughter Mary Birch Nicholson-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05611/4577896.pdf
Weekly Irish Times, 19 Nov.1904: NICHOLSON—November 12, Beech Hill, Londonderry, Mary Birch, only daughter the late Edward Nicholson. R.I.P.
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639426054
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Thank you for this further information. I have also come across Sarah, but I believe that she is the daughter of James, Williams older brother and 1st cousin to James William Frederic. I also have a John
Nicholson married to a Margaret, with a daughter Susan, but can find no connection with the rest of the family. Still finding the age difference between Edward and William hard to explane. I think there most be a link that is missing
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Dear Caitlyn,
I think I can help, being a Nicholson brought up in Ardmore!
My grandfather was Cyril Nicholson of Beech Hill (died in 1962 I believe)
He had three children - Felicity Nicholson (born 1929 - 2017), Michael Nicholson my father (born 1933 - died 2023) and Thomas Nicholson (1935-2020)
My father Michael Nicholson inherited Beech Hill, where we lived until 1986, when it was sold and converted into a hotel. He became a High Court judge in Northern Ireland at that time, and it was sadly too dangerous to be able to live there.
I am interested to study the family history, particularly since my father has just died a few months ago.
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Welcome to Rootschat.
Nicholson, Cyril Anthony de Lacy of Beechill Ardmore county Londonderry Queens Counsellor died 2 May 1963 at Hotel Mirimar Mohammedia Casablanca Morocco Probate Belfast 10 December to Eleanor Gerad Nicholson the widow. Effects £40993 5s.
Nicholson, Frances Agnes Lucy of Beechill county Londonderry widow died 4 May 1948 Administration Belfast 21 November to Cyril Anthony de Lacy Nicholson Queen's counsel. Effects £1125 18s. 7d.