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Title: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: antonymark on Saturday 04 July 20 00:32 BST (UK)
Just a few hours now until Pubs and Restaurants in England can open. Will it be party time or will folks stay away in droves?

I've got to go. I work as a barman for one of the popular chain Pub/Restaurant brands. If the business fails then, at 55 years old, I think I will struggle to find alternative employment.

Our pub is a fifteen minute drive from Leicester......

Furloughed since March I have been very cautious. No non-essential shops. No public transport. Daily walk or cycle ride. One visit to a friend's garden. Couple of distanced chats in the street. That's it.

We had a staff meeting today and a look at how things will work in this very different world we now find ourselves in. It has all been thought out very carefully. A greatly reduced number of tables. Only 'at table' service will be available. Hand sanitizing points everywhere. Total numbers in the building will be controlled by a distanced queuing system in the car park. Contact details will be taken before seating and anyone from the locked down post codes turned away. All the self service elements such as the drinks machine, salad bar and the toaster at breakfast are now being carried out by staff members. Front of house staff can venture no further into the kitchen than the dish washer stacking point. Kitchen staff are separated into zones. We all looked decidedly apprehensive. It's going to be hard to make things fun.

Our manager has only been in post since January and really is putting her all into the job and has already earned my loyalty and respect and I know I can't hide away for ever but I know I won't bounce in tomorrow with my former confidence and eagerness. Perhaps I will feel better with the first day under my belt.

Wish me luck!  Tony.






Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: magnacarta on Saturday 04 July 20 00:37 BST (UK)
All the best! Hope everyone behaves themselves!
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Post by: antonymark on Saturday 04 July 20 00:47 BST (UK)
All the best! Hope everyone behaves themselves!


Thanks Magnacarta.
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Post by: Nick_Ips on Saturday 04 July 20 01:23 BST (UK)
Contact details will be taken before seating and anyone from the locked down post codes turned away.

Good luck Tony, I hope it goes well. It does sound like a lot of effort has gone into keeping people safe, and it sounds a lot more organised than Tesco, where this evening it was all a bit of a free for all.

Out of interest, are you going to be asking for some kind of proof for the contact details?  On another forum I visit there are many people claiming they will just give false details ('Dominic Cummings' will be having a very busy evening!) - if that is going to be possible it seems to be a very big flaw in the plan.

Let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: antonymark on Saturday 04 July 20 08:12 BST (UK)
Thanks Nick.

No proof of address is being insisted upon. It is a potential flaw in the system but as one of the staff said our guests will be showing a huge amount of trust in us to keep them and their families safe, so in return we will be showing some faith in them.

My best hope is that it will be mainly regular known faces coming through the door.

If "Dominic Cummings" falls ill then I suppose "Mickey Mouse", "Lord Lucan" and "Shergar" will have to get ready for two weeks in self isolation!!

Here goes!  Tony.
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Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 04 July 20 08:34 BST (UK)
We're way ahead of you guys in the UK! ;D

Our pubs opened 2 weeks ago - had another evening at my local last night.

No social distancing; no addresses needed; no restrictions.

If any of you are venturing out tonight - enjoy! :D
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Post by: Rishile on Saturday 04 July 20 08:49 BST (UK)
It's going to be hard to make things fun.


I think this is the main reason people are not going out so much - at least where I live.  There is no fun when it's all 'contact details, restrictions, sanitizer, arrows on the floor, keep 1m/2m apart, wear a mask' etc.  I would rather stay at home where I can go where I want to, eat what I want, drink what I want, where I want.  Nobody telling me to keep to the one way system, no social distancing.  The joy has been taken out of all the simple pleasures we used to have in life.  I'll wait for a while until things look more normal.

In the meantime - Good luck Tony.  I hope everyone stays safe.

Rishile
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Post by: bikermickau on Saturday 04 July 20 09:00 BST (UK)
My wife, a sister and me took my mother out for Chinese dinner on her birthday 6th June, booking is/was required.
At most there were 10 people eating at tables, no names or addresses needed, unless my sister gave them the details when she booked,
We are in QLD, Australia.

Mick
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Post by: Kiltpin on Saturday 04 July 20 12:06 BST (UK)
Wish me luck!  Tony.
 

Good Luck and Safety to you, Tony! 

It is like living on a knife edge. On the one hand you need the money, on the other, you just don't know what is coming through that door ... 

Regards 

Chas
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Post by: Crumblie on Saturday 04 July 20 12:17 BST (UK)
I walked past two barber shops this morning and they both had queues ouside with no social distancing going on, one of them was even full inside with people sat side by side waiting for their haircut.
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Post by: BushInn1746 on Saturday 04 July 20 12:49 BST (UK)
My Wife tells me the Manager of one of our town pubs has made it clear on social media that anyone with a Leicester address will be refused entry and people will be asked for formal photo I.D.

We all need everyone to be respectful of the Licensees, fellow Drinkers, members of the Public, to follow instructions, be sensible, courteous and take the matter very seriously that the Virus is still amongst the general population.

It is a shame it has been raining here and cool this morning, especially where Pubs have a garden.

I have been a past campaigner researching the history and one of two Speakers at Council Planning Meetings over a decade ago to save our viable local previously known as The Bush Inn (18th Century) with a Garden and Bowling Green from demolition / development.

I really really want to go, just to show my face and leave after a pint, but not sure yet as I have an underlying health condition and waiting for scan results.

Mark

Stratford upon Avon have fenced off one side of some streets to allow for Queuing and leave pavements clear for passing pedestrians, or vice versa.
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Post by: Gadget on Saturday 04 July 20 13:26 BST (UK)
I've just been looking at our local newspaper's website and there seem to be more men visiting the barbers than the pub.  Maybe Geordies like to look good before they drink  ;D

Looked again and more pics gone up - the Black Garter seems popular
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Post by: Greensleeves on Saturday 04 July 20 14:35 BST (UK)
In Wales, we're still under restrictions until Monday, and only allowed to travel a nominal 5 miles from home, except for essentials.  For the first time since February, daughter and I went to Hay-on-Wye this morning just to get a feel of how social distancing was going, and to check  whether it would be safe to shop there. 

Now, as we are under restrictions in Wales, that means that people should not be coming over the border from England.  But what do we find, but groups of English people, making no attempt to socially distance, pushing people off pavements, forcing us out into the road to avoid them and wondering why no pubs were open.  They were queuing up outside shops for drinks and food without any attempt at distancing; they were shouting loudly about where they had come from and how far they had travelled.  Add to this a lot of long-distance cyclists who were zooming up and down on roads and pavements, not caring how close they went to pedestrians, and the whole thing was a miserable experience.  I felt really sorry for the people who were working in the shops, since these visitors clearly did not know how to behave. 

When we got back to the car, despite having avoided close contact with these people, we both felt dirty.  And I feel cross because they should not have been there, and they are abusing Welsh hospitality by behaving in such a crass manner.  We won't be trying that again in a hurry.
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Post by: sugarfizzle on Saturday 04 July 20 14:58 BST (UK)
"And I feel cross because they should not have been there"

As Hay on Wye is on the Welsh/English border, I would think the visitors had as much right as you to be there (no offense intended  :) )

It does not excuse the disgusting behaviour which you describe, but they are presumably allowed to cross the border, then have to abide by Welsh rules, i.e. not travel more than 5 miles.
I may be wrong on this, willing to be corrected. :)

Regards Margaret
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Post by: Nick_Ips on Saturday 04 July 20 15:07 BST (UK)
In Wales, we're still under restrictions until Monday, and only allowed to travel a nominal 5 miles from home, except for essentials.  For the first time since February, daughter and I went to Hay-on-Wye this morning just to get a feel of how social distancing was going, and to check  whether it would be safe to shop there.

I think I'd have waited until Monday to make such a trip.  After all, predictions of lunacy this weekend (and especially today) have been widely reported over the last week (and for longer).

Hence my response to the poll.... not today, but maybe next week or the one after.  :)
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Post by: Jomot on Saturday 04 July 20 15:12 BST (UK)
Had my hair cut & coloured earlier today, I'm off into town now for a bit of shopping, and I hope to pop into a pub for a swift one on the way back.  Cheers everyone  :D
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Post by: louisa maud on Saturday 04 July 20 15:20 BST (UK)
I would imagine the traffic police will be out tonight catching tbe 1 over the 8 brigade, as if they haven't enough to do

Louisa Maud
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Post by: Bee on Saturday 04 July 20 16:20 BST (UK)
It'll be interesting to hear how antonymark got on with his first shift back at work.
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Post by: Roobarb on Saturday 04 July 20 17:55 BST (UK)
Tony, I hope your shift is going/has gone well. It must be a very daunting prospect, particularly when you haven't been out and about in public places. It certainly sounds like your employers and your manager have done everything to keep staff and customers safe. I hope you manage to relax a bit after the initial anxious time.

My local newspaper app showed photos of men having a pint at 9am! Couldn't fancy that in any circumstances - at that time of day I just need tea! Each to their own I suppose. On a local forum someone said that he'd been in the pub that's my local and there was only one other person there. I'm certainly not tempted, I think a lot of people are fooling themselves that this means that the virus has gone. Going with a friend would also mean we'd have to sit at least a metre apart, not conducive to good conversation, I'd rather wait.
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Post by: louisa maud on Saturday 04 July 20 17:58 BST (UK)
Never been able to understand why pubs open at 9am, whilst my husband is nowhere near henpecked I would be very annoyed if he left home to be at the pub by 9am, perhaps PM is more realistic but we rarely visit a pub unless it includes a meal nowadays

Louisa Maud
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Post by: Nick_Ips on Saturday 04 July 20 18:12 BST (UK)
On a local forum someone said that he'd been in the pub that's my local and there was only one other person there.

It's possible Tony has had a very quiet day....  perhaps everyone has gone to Hay-on-Wye instead.
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Saturday 04 July 20 18:17 BST (UK)
Hope all is well too, Tony.

'Builders Tea' (2 mugs) little milk, one small teaspoon of sugar first thing for me Roobarb.

Louisa, my lady H is wanting a meal out too!

We have been to a rural farm shop in Leicestershire, even the Farm Shop are taking measures very seriously, even a traffic light entry system, etc and good observance of distancing etc., seems to be the norm around here.

In the Market Square of a nearby town, we saw drinkers sat at tables and seats with plastic pint beakers, all looks good, well very spaced and relaxed so far earlier this pm and no over crowding.

It reminded me of Champs-Élysées, Paris attitude, relaxed social street drinking. It seems some councils must have set aside areas, let us hope nobody spoils it!

Our local Pub is trading and I suspect many will sit in the rear garden, let's hope his first casks are not empty  :)  :) and weather mild & dry for mid-week!

Mark
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Post by: Nick_Ips on Saturday 04 July 20 18:23 BST (UK)
Never been able to understand why pubs open at 9am....

I think there are quite a few pubs doing food that have started opening early in the morning to serve breakfasts in order to increase income and offset their ever increasing costs.

It is a bit like the supermarkets opening 24 hours - if you've got staff in anyway then opening the doors to allow customers in doesn't add much in the way of expenses, and a few extra quid in the till might make the difference between closing for good or keep on going another month.

The walking group I'm in meets at 10am at our chosen lunch pub (we use the car park and toilets, if available).  Increasingly we've been invited to order coffees or snacks before heading off, whereas in the past the landlords tended to scribble down the lunch orders and usher us back out as quickly as possible.  It feels like part of the trend for pubs to be something other than a place to pour alcohol down your throat.
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Post by: Jomot on Saturday 04 July 20 19:06 BST (UK)
Managed to nip into the pub for a quick vodka on my way back from shopping, and it was all very civilised.  Names & postcodes taken, everyone had to be seated, and table service only.  It was quite warm so we sat outside, where everything was spaced so that no-one was within a metre of anyone from another table. 

Music was playing inside just about loud enough to hear it and create a little atmosphere outside too, and as soon as we got up to leave someone came to disinfected the table & chairs. 

It might be different later on an evening, but overall I'd say it was no more 'risky' than a trip to the supermarket and infinitely more enjoyable.
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: Rishile on Saturday 04 July 20 19:31 BST (UK)
I'm not sure how our local pub is operating.  They have seats outside the pub but the best seats by far are the ones across the road overlooking the beach.  However, this area does not belong to the pub.  So I doubt they get table service and I also doubt the tables are cleaned after each customer but when we walked past there earlier, there was a lot of people sitting there drinking.

The pub has got through the lockdown by selling take-away drinks and snacks and the tables overlooking the beach have been full every day with people drinking out of cans and bottles (yuk) and occasionally plastic glasses.  The same people have been there every day (we see them on our daily walk) and each day the amount of people seems to increase and sit at one table for six people.  One day there was about 10 people - all from different households.

The joys of village life.

Rishile
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: antonymark on Sunday 05 July 20 00:00 BST (UK)
Thanks all for your kind thoughts. Much appreciated.

I am happy to report that it has all gone very smoothly and been very calm and civilized. Numbers of people way down on what would be expected on a normal Saturday. More like a wet Monday in January. Just what was needed really for the first day back, easing us in gently and giving space for us to adapt to the new ways of working.

We had a visit from the Regional Manager with one of the company 'suits' in tow. Her comment was that "safe and steady" was the way to go and that numbers through the door and targets were less of a priority to start with. I was reminded a little of 'Young Mr Grace' and "You've all done very well!".  ;D

Almost everyone coming had pre-booked or phoned ahead. All fell in quite readily with all the various changes that have been made. One lady commented that she and her family felt very safe and that everything seemed to have been thought of.

I think that the situation in nearby Leicester has had some effect. At least two parties cancelled their bookings citing the Leicester outbreak as their reason for caution. For the ones that came I'm sure it has been a reminder that this awful time is not all over and we all need to be careful and considerate of each other.

There has been laughter too and it's been great to see some familiar faces. I had a lovely long chat with one of our regular couples. They just were so happy that we were back and perhaps some kind of normal could be returning. There might even be fun!

Only complaint of the day was by a lady about the absence of pickled onions from the salad bar.

All in all I feel much more confident and enthusiastic about the weeks and months ahead. Let's see what tomorrow brings.

All the best, Tony.
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: Roobarb on Sunday 05 July 20 00:37 BST (UK)
Really pleased to hear it went so well Tony. Young Mr Grace, there's a blast from the past!  ;D
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Post by: antonymark on Sunday 05 July 20 00:51 BST (UK)
Really pleased to hear it went so well Tony. Young Mr Grace, there's a blast from the past!  ;D


Thanks Roobarb. Most of today's team much younger than me. I think they decided that Young Mr Grace is just another "weird thing that Tony talks about"!   ;D ;D
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Post by: Nick_Ips on Sunday 05 July 20 01:05 BST (UK)
There has been laughter too and it's been great to see some familiar faces. I had a lovely long chat with one of our regular couples. They just were so happy that we were back and perhaps some kind of normal could be returning. There might even be fun!

Very glad to hear your day turned out to be what sounds like a very positive experience.  I think the bit I've quoted above is really important to bear in mind - the re-opening of pubs and other 'social' facilities isn't solely about companies making money and "idiots" behaving badly... it is also important that "normal" people are able to restart some form of conventional life.

I think it is essential for people's mental health that this happens, and for those that need it to get some enjoyment out of the activities they have no doubt been missing.  And all the more important because we may experience further periods of 'lockdown' before this disease is beaten back and so people should feel able to recharge a bit before the next time.

You can't get more positive than finishing the day feeling more confident and enthusiastic.  :) 

Hopefully Young Mr Grace and Co will notice this approach and suitably reward it!
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Post by: Llwyd on Sunday 05 July 20 18:40 BST (UK)


My local newspaper app showed photos of men having a pint at 9am!

It's five o'clock (PM) somewhere in the world!.
 :)

Well, wouldn't you know it. As from Monday 6th I can now travel more than five miles, by myself, to the middle of nowhere, not see, all being well, another human being all day and then travel home at the end of my day's fishing. But now, due to extremely heavy rain upstream, the river is in flood and will be the colour of melted milk chocolate and not good for fishing. Oh well, it will go down in time, but not quite yet. More rain to come this week!.
Our pubs/cafes/restaurants will only be opening for drinks and meals outside only, but not until 13th July. We don't do pubs for drinks only and go for a meal and a drink. I'm not sure about sitting outside eating because the food is likely to go cold quickly. I think the northern Ireland way is a good idea; there, to sit inside and have a drink, you have to have a meal.
However, self-contained accommodation is able to open on 11th July and we'll be off to our favourite B and B in west Wales on 18th then we'll see how it goes for evening meals/lunch because some of our favourite eating places lack sizeable outside facilities. Still I'm sure we'll manage because some of them are doing take-away food. I hope the weather improves, especially if there's no further change in the rules and we have to eat outdoors.
Nice to hear from Tony that people can act in a civilised manner, as opposed to the experience of Greensleeves.
 :)
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Post by: Roobarb on Sunday 05 July 20 20:48 BST (UK)
Read the news this morning on my local newspaper's app. Police had to break up an illegal rave on the hills. There was also a report with photos of people enjoying themselves on their first visit to the pub. A number of the photos showed groups of friends, obviously not from the same household, with their arms around each other's shoulders. I'm absolutely disgusted at them doing this and at the photographer who has obviously encouraged this kind of behaviour.  >:(
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: antonymark on Monday 06 July 20 08:38 BST (UK)
I'm happy to report that the calm and civilized feel at my workplace continues. Slightly more guests for breakfast than Saturday but lunchtime and afternoon trade much reduced. For over an hour we staff were the only human beings to be seen. A similar pattern of trade seems to be the case across our brand.

The reporting of events in places like Soho and photographs widely circulating of unruly drunken crowds has probably kept some people away. The report on Radio 4's 'Broadcasting House' in the morning before I left home to start my shift was particularly alarming. I did wonder if the reporters had decided on the story they wanted to report before they set out looking for a party to record or photograph. There didn't seem to be any balancing scenes showing the situation in places like ours. It would be easy to imagine that scenes akin to the last days of Sodom were rife in every Pub and Restaurant throughout the land!

Our regular faces are tentatively heading in. Being quieter it has been lovely to have some long chats. I had wondered a few weeks back whether I would ever feel comfortable around people ever again! From what people said it sounds like the town centre bars were more busy. One man said that there had been a fight in the market place.

With a 3pm finish of my day I was able to buy a pint and sit on the outside patio area enjoying the afternoon sunshine. That's the most normal I've felt in months.

Let's see what Monday brings.

Take care all, Tony.
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Post by: trystan on Monday 06 July 20 09:48 BST (UK)
We had a drive around Bury and Heywood (north of Manchester) at around 8pm on Saturday and everything looked very civilized, including the three Wetherspoons pubs too.

We did see a woman run across the street to give a big hug to somebody else, but human nature to want to hug somebody after not seeing them for months is more difficult to control I'm sure.

There was a police presence from a distance, and overlooked by a statue of their founder Robert Peel.

We went home without going in a pub, but reassured that the people of Bury and Heywood and the staff of these watering holes were doing great.

Trystan

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Post by: sugarfizzle on Tuesday 07 July 20 05:13 BST (UK)
Reports that three pubs have had to close already!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-53315702

Someone who had a test yesterday got the results back in time for the pubs to close down. Or perhaps they had the test last week, thought they would be negative but decided to go to the pub anyway, instead of self-isolating till the results came back.

One pub told it's customers there was no need to isolate unless they were contacted by track and trace, another one is slowly working through the list of customers, the third one said that staff had been tested and that the pub would reopen after deep cleaning.

There will always be cases, surely venues can't keep closing then opening up again, ad infinitum?

Regards Margaret
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Post by: LizzieL on Tuesday 07 July 20 08:02 BST (UK)
The customer who tested positive in Somerset had no symptoms and was one of those people randomly tested according to newspaper report

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/lighthouse-kitchen-carvery-burnham-closes-4300183
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: sugarfizzle on Tuesday 07 July 20 08:15 BST (UK)
That's one of the pubs. I think one of the others is reported as being a member of back room staff, who had no contact at all with customers.

So, what are the chances of Covid-19 spreading to other customers? To staff? In the building? Practically nil, if everyone socially distanced.

So the pubs are closed. They open again later this week or perhaps next week, then close again for another case.

This cannot be sustained, surely?
Pubs could not reliably take any bookings, make any plans, customers wouldn't know from one minute to the next what to do.

If there was a confirmed outbreak in multiple staff, or multiple customers, maybe act differently - or could that be too late?

Regards Margaret
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Post by: Pheno on Tuesday 07 July 20 08:58 BST (UK)
Probably no different to supermarkets really.  Bet some of the people who are in there subsequently have a positive test although they are a-symptomatic  but as you don't give details at the door then no checking/tracing done.

Pheno
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Post by: antonymark on Tuesday 07 July 20 09:44 BST (UK)
Sad to hear about those pub closures. Must be a real knockback for the staff and customers. I wish them well and hope they can quickly be tested clear, deep clean and open again.

A steady increase in numbers coming to see us. With the extra safety measures the delivery of service feels ponderously slow but everyone very accepting and cooperative.

Take care all, Tony.
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: sugarfizzle on Tuesday 07 July 20 11:16 BST (UK)
Probably no different to supermarkets really.  Bet some of the people who are in there subsequently have a positive test although they are a-symptomatic  but as you don't give details at the door then no checking/tracing done.

Pheno

Quite so. So why do the pubs have to close?

Sad to hear about those pub closures. Must be a real knockback for the staff and customers. I wish them well and hope they can quickly be tested clear, deep clean and open again.

A steady increase in numbers coming to see us. With the extra safety measures the delivery of service feels ponderously slow but everyone very accepting and cooperative.

Take care all, Tony.

Have you been told that you will have to close down if a customer rings to say they have tested positive? How would you even know that it was a genuine phone call? I would have thought the customer who tested positive would have to tell Track and Trace about his/her movements, who would then inform the pub.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: antonymark on Wednesday 08 July 20 11:51 BST (UK)


Have you been told that you will have to close down if a customer rings to say they have tested positive? How would you even know that it was a genuine phone call? I would have thought the customer who tested positive would have to tell Track and Trace about his/her movements, who would then inform the pub.

Regards Margaret


Hi Margaret,

As far as I understand it a call from a customer saying that they have tested positive will not plunge us into immediate closure. Contact will come via Track and Trace who will  be given access to the records that have been collected from guests. Perhaps we have a rootschatter with knowledge of how a public health investigation proceeds from that point?

We are all on 'flexible furlough' and it will be possible that we could  be in and out of closure especially if the town goes into a local lockdown like the one in Leicester.

Tony.
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: Llwyd on Friday 10 July 20 19:14 BST (UK)
Re Post #29 - a couple of our favourite eating places in west Wales are preparing outside eating facilities and have been booked for when we are away. Others we may have to try for the first time. Fingers crossed the weather is good, still we have appropriate clothing.
Our pubs, cafes, restaurants may be able to open for inside custom on 3rd August if all goes well.
 :)
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Saturday 25 July 20 11:30 BST (UK)
Hello All

We have just started venturing out socially when it is quietest and been warm and sunny.

After having a long term illness for years, my recent brain scan shows there has been no further damage from my previous scan.

My only real gripe is I couldn't get a Covid antibody test even as an Outpatient, after my body was attacked with awful itching, stinging in my legs, rash, spots, chicken pox like blotches and swellings.

We've been on several local rural walks recently and as lockdown was released had already begun wearing a mask in food shops.

We had a really nice midday meal in the back garden of our local pub, the nearest table was about 4 metres away, we had a super time and never once did I feel threatened, nor did I see a lack of care by others.

All the best and good health, Mark
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: louisa maud on Saturday 25 July 20 11:41 BST (UK)
"After having a long term illness for years, my recent brain scan shows there has been no further damage from my previous scan."

That is really good news Mark, keep up the good work

LM
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Saturday 25 July 20 12:40 BST (UK)
Thanks Louisa

Looking at the Night Nurse and Vapo Rub receipt dates I had the chest trouble back in November & January 2020, it was like having the most awful bronchitis I had as a boy and the awful itching started as the second bronchal wave was clearing, looking at my Epaderm receipt.

I wouldn't be surprised if a potent strain of Covid was already circulating 2019 in the UK.

I hope your man is doing well!

Best wishes Mark
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Post by: Maiden Stone on Saturday 25 July 20 15:07 BST (UK)
We had a drive around Bury and Heywood (north of Manchester) at around 8pm on Saturday and everything looked very civilized, including the three Wetherspoons pubs too.

There was a police presence from a distance, and overlooked by a statue of their founder Robert Peel.
I trust that "Bobby" has remained safe from vandalism.
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: LizzieL on Monday 03 August 20 18:01 BST (UK)
"Eat out to Help out" starts today. Anyone going to try it?
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Post by: Kiltpin on Monday 03 August 20 20:11 BST (UK)
"Eat out to Help out" starts today. Anyone going to try it?
   

I emailed all our favourite restaurants and then all the fastfoodish chain places (hungry horse, table table, and the like). None of our restaurants are doing it, but all the chains are.   

The wife is not convinced and in truth neither am I. 

Regards from the little bistro called   

Chez Chas
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Post by: Roobarb on Monday 03 August 20 21:03 BST (UK)
Someone on TV today commented on the fact that this has been introduced at the same time as the government is intending to do something about the obesity crisis. I have to agree that funding people to eat at fast food 'restaurants' isn't doing anything towards that.

And to answer the question - No, it's not for me.
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: Greensleeves on Monday 03 August 20 21:13 BST (UK)
I find the timing of these things somewhat random, to put it kindly.  First we are  encouraged to go out and fill ourselves with pizzas and chips; then shortly after we are told we're all too fat and need to get on our bikes.  Call me cynical if you will, but I assume this is softening us up for shortages,  come January.  At that time, with food supplies stuck in a bureaucratic log-jam in Kent, we will be told that since we're not all as lean as whippets, food will be rationed.  For our own good of course.   Oh, and so will petrol, so if you didn't get your bike sorted out, that's your fault too.  This, of course, is assuming that we actually manage to survive the herd immunity project (Part II),  and the alien invasion or asteroid collision, or whatever else 2020 has yet in store for us. 
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 03 August 20 21:15 BST (UK)
One should be able to eat out and be sensible in what they eat, frequenty I skip a starter as can't cope with a 3 course meal, that is my opinion

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: Greensleeves on Monday 03 August 20 23:09 BST (UK)
I'm the same LM - either starters or pudding but never both!  I usually walk to my restaurant of choice (about 2 miles away) and back too.  The outward journey is uphill so arrive with a bit of an appetite; the homeward journey, fortified by a couple of glasses of wine and a good meal, goes like a dream.   ;D
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: jc26red on Tuesday 04 August 20 19:44 BST (UK)
We have a table booked for next Monday at a pub restaurant that is participating in the "meal deal". It's local to my daughter and recently(well late last year recent) taken over by a chef trained by one the celebrity chefs. Hopefully we will have a nice time. We are tidying up her garden so I definitely won't feel like cooking after a hard day in the garden.

I can't eat 3 courses either, one course is generally enough for me unless the desert menu looks scrummy. ::) and not been to a pub for at least a year.
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 04 August 20 21:26 BST (UK)
ate out today, really nice 2 course for half price, set out quite nicely,  chairs and tables sanitised  every time they left, wasn't a pub  but a very nice restaurant

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: Roobarb on Tuesday 04 August 20 22:11 BST (UK)
Having said it's not for me, a friend has asked if I would like to go for lunch, she knows I wouldn't want to go indoors but I might like to give it a try outdoors.
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 04 August 20 22:43 BST (UK)
Go for it Roobarb

LM
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: antonymark on Friday 07 August 20 00:51 BST (UK)
Thanks to all who took part in the poll. Looks like Rootschatters pretty much are in step with customers at my workplace. Very cautious at first then numbers picking up as the weeks have passed. There was a bit of a dip last weekend which worried everyone a little but it became obvious on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday that folks were hanging on for the 'Eat Out To Help Out' meal deal. (healthy options available  ;D)

In the first week of opening it was apparent that most of those visiting us were from occupations that had been working throughout the lockdown period: Delivery drivers; Supermarket workers; NHS and Emergency services; Vets; Cleaners; Refuse collectors and others. As time has gone on we have seen more and more people venturing out for their first experience of some sort of normal. Several have been back more than once since.

As the number of tables we have is quite reduced we found ourselves fully booked on Monday and Tuesday evening and almost all day on Wednesday. All of the 'help yourself' elements are now being manned by staff and with kitchen team working in zones to keep distanced everything takes much longer and it is harder work to serve less people.

It was surprising to see how many were making their first restaurant visit on the meal deal days. Thinking back to how apprehensive and nervous I was towards the end of my lockdown time I would have rather paid full price in a nearly empty venue than save a few quid and risk being in a crowded environment.

It looks like the weeks in August will be topsy turvey with Monday to Wednesday being the busier 'weekend' days and Thursday to Sunday being quieter. Our manager is re-jigging the rotas to fit this new pattern so labour matches trade. Housekeeping jobs are on the move to different days.

I hope anyone going out to eat has a really good safe time. It really does make you feel like you're getting some life back.

Best wishes, Tony.





Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: pharmaT on Friday 07 August 20 13:46 BST (UK)
I'd love to go out for something to eat, it's my daughter's birthday next week.  However I am still meeting so many people deliberately not following the advice (and boasting about it) required to make going out safer.  Although I do everything I can, I feel it takes everyone doing their bit to make it as safe as possible.  This makes going out so stressful to the point it's not remotely enjoyable.
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: BushInn1746 on Friday 07 August 20 21:00 BST (UK)
Having said it's not for me, a friend has asked if I would like to go for lunch, she knows I wouldn't want to go indoors but I might like to give it a try outdoors.

We have been twice since the Pub restrictions ended, sitting outside in the Pub garden. I think most people get the distancing round here.

On the two for £10 with a small soft drink and 50% off, it can mean eating out at our local for about £3 each for a single course (Mon to Wed).

I had their Cottage Pie, with 3 fresh veg on the plate (homemade / cooked on the premises) and garlic bread  :P  :P for a fiver. I had to buy my pint separately.

Take your sun hat and sun lotion Roobarb and enjoy  :)  :D

We only have one course as they are generous and like to send our plates back empty  :D

A UK magazine said 100s of thousands of tons of UK food waste from homes and establishments adds a high proportion to our UK Greenhouse gas emissions.

Take care all, Mark
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: Roobarb on Friday 07 August 20 21:43 BST (UK)
It was arranged for today and I'd psyched myself up to it but unfortunately my friend had to cancel  :'(
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: Caw1 on Friday 07 August 20 22:46 BST (UK)
Oh no Roobarb so sorry to hear that... hope you can rearrange soon...

We've not been out to eat and don't really have any intention to for now... been to friends locally in the village for drinks and bbq's... all got big gardens so not to stressful.

Caroline
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: Roobarb on Saturday 08 August 20 17:41 BST (UK)
Thanks Caroline.  :)
Title: Re: Going Down The Pub?
Post by: LizzieW on Sunday 09 August 20 14:45 BST (UK)
We went on 22 July for my husband's birthday.  There were people sitting outside but as it was 7pm (and not as hot as this weekend) we decided to sit indoors.  The tables were well spread out but by around 7.30pm nearly every table was occupied.  The staff were not wearing masks or gloves but somehow managed to put our meal on the table while standing away from us.  Neither of us has been ill and we would be quite happy to go again.

This is the info on their website:

Our tables have been moved to ensure the appropriate social distancing is in place between guests, unfortunately, this does mean we are not able to move our tables around to accommodate bigger groups.
We have put new signage and floor stickers in every restaurant to remind everyone about social distancing
We have put ‘one-way systems’ in place where we can, and there are clearly marked waiting areas for those waiting to take their food away
Hand sanitiser is freely available in all restaurants for all our customers

Masks:
Face coverings are available for our team members if they want to wear them, UK government guidance only advises face masks for those in medical environments.  Social distancing, rigorous cleaning regimes and increased handwashing are far more effective in reducing the spread of coronavirus.

Gloves:
The science tells us that hand washing and rigorous sanitation is much more effective than wearing gloves.  Hand washing with warm water and soap breaks down the protective fatty layer of the virus and destroys it. Our teams also have constant access to hand sanitiser.

As there were only 2 cases of Covid in my area of 566 sq.metres in the last week, everyone around here feels pretty safe.