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In November 1906 Minnie Rosier landed in Detroit, Michigan, she was 23, She was travelling from Toronto, and had paid for the voyage herself , her destination was the Young Woman’s Home, 79 Elizabeth Street , Detroit, Michigan.
Would this be the same place. Why would she have gone there.
She states she has never been in the US before.
In the same month she is on another passenger list travelling to Halifax so didn`t stop long.
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I haven't found either of those arrivals yet, or I might be able to answer my own question, but are you sure the Halifax arrival didn't come first?
On, 20 April 1910, Minnie Rosier arrived in Detroit, she said she had arrived in Canada on November 19, 1906 at Halifax. This time she is headed to the YWCA in Detroit at 79 Elizabeth St West
contact in Canada: her father Robert Rosier, 314 Mutchmore St, Ottawa
Is that her?
As to why she went to the YWCA and the other organization, my guess is she didn't know anyone in the US but you needed a destination when you entered the country.
I didn't know the authorities would accept something like the "Y" as a destination, but looks like they did.
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You could stay there for pennies a night and it was safe. Maybe in town looking for friends/family/job or just there on vacation.
Don
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a trip home in 1913
Incoming UK passengers
Liverpool, SS Canada, arrived 28 May 1913 from Montreal
Minnie Rosier, age 25, no occupation
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Arriving 31 August 1913 at Quebec from Liverpool
SS Canada
stamped "Retd Canadian"
Minnie Rosier, age 25, had been in Canada before, in Ottawa for 7 years, born in England, headed for Ottawa, "a tourist", religion: Church of England,
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Is this her?
Left Liverpool on 10 November 1906, arrived 21 November 1906 at Portland, Maine, SS Dominion
Minnie Rosier, 23, born in Liverpool
going to a friend Mrs Frances F Purdy, 41 Drummond St, Montreal. There were 5 young women, including Minnie, headed to the same "friend"
Mrs Purdy had paid the passage for all of them, and they all were carrying $5 each. occupation of all was "domestic"
other names:
Marion Roth, 25, born in Switzerland, last residence: London
Jessie Sinclair, 25, born in Scotland, last residence: Inverness
Eva Brooks, 25, b in England, last residence: London
Ina Miller, 26, b in England, last residence: Kingston on Thames
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Technically the boat might have put in at Halifax, making that her first arrival in Canada. :) I don't know.
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If this is her, then maybe Mrs Purdy, giving her the benefit of the doubt, was running a placement agency for domestic servants in Montreal. Minnie later quits or gets out on her own somehow and heads for Detroit. - The part that doesn't fit is having a father in Ottawa in 1910. Had he arrived in Canada between Nov 1906 and Apr 1910?
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I'd like to know more about Mrs Purdy, if that were my ancestor or collateral ancestor.
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Do you have an exact date of birth?
Is this her?
U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
Name: Minnie Rozier
Social Security Number: xxx xx xxxx
Birth Date: 4 Jan 1886
Issue Year: Before 1951
Issue State: Michigan
Last Residence: 48208, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA
Death Date: Apr 1976
If so, her last SS Check went to that postal zip code in Detroit.
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edited to add:
Did she lie about her age when coming to Canada the first time? Did she have to be 21+ to work for Mrs P.? She was the youngest of the 5 ladies.
Just questions, trying to make it all fit. All the other manifests say she was born 1886.
Edited again
ancestry.com transcribes the lady's name as Kirby, not Purdy. They might be right.
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Do you have an exact date of birth?
Is this her?
U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
Name: Minnie Rozier
Social Security Number: xxx xx xxxx
Birth Date: 4 Jan 1886
Issue Year: Before 1951
Issue State: Michigan
Last Residence: 48208, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA
Death Date: Apr 1976
If so, her last SS Check went to that postal zip code in Detroit.
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edited to add:
Did she lie about her age when coming to Canada the first time? Did she have to be 21+ to work for Mrs P.? She was the youngest of the 5 ladies.
Just questions, trying to make it all fit. All the other manifests say she was born 1886.
Edited again
ancestry.com transcribes the lady's name as Kirby, not Purdy. They might be right.
Baptism: 14 Nov 1887 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Minnie Rosier - [Child] of (John) Robert Rosier Born: 22 Jan 1887
I found most of the entries for her have the wrong age. her father went to Canada with his second wife and lived there for many years
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Parents on 1921 census 292 Harry St Renfrew.
John Robert Rosier 71 born England. Imm 1907.
Annie Rosier 63 born England. Imm 1907.
Both appear on a 1920 Canadian Passenger List - 5 June 1920 on the Canada - John 70 years - plasterer - returning Canadians - destination Ottawa. Ann 68 years also travelling.
Sandra
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The Ottawa Citizen
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
12 Mar 1942, Thu Page 24
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54702692/obituary-for-john-robert-rosier-aged/
Sandra
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Just a point about the two departures in one month
You may find that it was two bookings but only 1 journey
She could have found an earlier or later departure check of original says NOB not onboard .I saw that for some ancestors.
What were the dates.?
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1891 West Derby, Lancashire.
John Robert Rosier 41 Hellie Rosier 11
Clara Rosier 9 Annie Rosier 7
Louisa Rosier 6 Minnie Rosier 4
RG12 Piece 2991 Folio 36 Page 3
Sandra
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Do you have an exact date of birth?
Is this her?
U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
Name: Minnie Rozier
Social Security Number: xxx xx xxxx
Birth Date: 4 Jan 1886
Issue Year: Before 1951
Issue State: Michigan
Last Residence: 48208, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA
Death Date: Apr 1976
If so, her last SS Check went to that postal zip code in Detroit.
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edited to add:
Did she lie about her age when coming to Canada the first time? Did she have to be 21+ to work for Mrs P.? She was the youngest of the 5 ladies.
Just questions, trying to make it all fit. All the other manifests say she was born 1886.
Edited again
ancestry.com transcribes the lady's name as Kirby, not Purdy. They might be right.
Baptism: 14 Nov 1887 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Minnie Rosier - [Child] of (John) Robert Rosier Born: 22 Jan 1887
I found most of the entries for her have the wrong age. her father went to Canada with his second wife and lived there for many years
Just realised the Birth index has her born Dec qtr 1886, so parish register entry is wrong.
ROSIER, MINNIE mmn HINDLE
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 590
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Mrs George Webb mentioned in the obituary - 1921 census 835 Bank St Ottawa
George Webb 28
Annie Webb 27 born England. Imm 1908.
Sidney Horace Webb 11
Stanley Robert George Webb 8
Lonard Webb 5
Norman Webb 13
marriage - Annie Rosier born 1884 Liverpool England. aged 24 years
Marriage Date: 25 Aug 1908 Carleton, Ontario, Canada
Father: Jno Ross Rosier - Mother Alice Evans Rosier - Spouse George Webb
Sandra
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The Ottawa Citizen
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
27 Mar 1972, Mon Page 40
No mention of Minnie.
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54703676/ann-rosier-webb-27-march-1972/
Ann Rosier Webb
Cemetery Beechwood National - Section 23
Burial Place: Carleton (incl. Ottawa), Ontario, Canada
Notes: WEBB GEORGE WEBB NOVEMBER 6, 1882 FEBRUARY 13, 1964 BELOVED HUSBAND OF ANN WEBB (NEE ROSIER) NOVEMBER 4, 1883 MARCH 24, 1972 LOVINGLY REMEMBERED BY FOUR SONS AND GRANDCHILDREN
Sandra
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I have all the census records for Minnie and her father while in England, plus records for Canada.
Minnie was second daughter named as such, the first one died
Birth ROSIER, MINNIE HINDLE
1878 S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK
Death ROSIER, MINNIE aged 5 1883 J Quarter in WEST DERBY
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Oh sorry I was looking for obits on the other members of the family which I thought might help. :-\
Ottawa Citizen
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
15 Feb 1964, Sat Page 30
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54703759/george-webb-15-february-1964/
Sandra
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Right, I don't think the lady that died in Detroit is her.
I'm in the middle of something else now, but a tree at ancestry says Minnie married John Little in Renfrew, Ontario, on 19 December 1914
the source is the marriage license. it says she was 25, born in Liverpool, Anglican, parents: John R Rosier and Alice Hinkle (?)
https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/7921/ONMS932_320-0326/1152409
The tree says she later married Isaiah Zyvitski (no place or date or source)
She is said to have died in 1960 in Canada, probably Ottawa, but no time to look now.
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Minnie Rosier - 1889 Liverpool England - aged 25 years
Marriage Date: 19 Dec 1914 Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
Father John R Rosier - Mother Alice Hindle Rosier
Spouse John Little
They are on the 1921 census
Sandra
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The Ottawa Citizen
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
1 Sep 1960, Thu Page 32
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54704186/obituary-for-minnie-zyvitski-aged-61/
Sandra
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On 19 December 1914 at the Baptist Church , Renfrew, Ontario , Minnie Rosier aged 25 born Liverpool married JOHN LITTLE.
The entry confirms her parents names John R Rosier, Alice Hindle Rosier
On 27 August 1920 John Little died aged 30 , Renfrew, Ontario.
In the 1921 Canada census Minnie Little was a servant
On 1 November 1926 at Renfrew, Minnie married again. ISAAC JAMES ZYRITSKI,
Minnie Little [Minnie Rosier] aged 37 widow, Father John Robert Rosier, mother Alice Hindle.
MINNIE ROSIER ZYVITSKI died 31 August 1960 in Renfrew , her spouse is listed as
ISAIAH ZYVITSKI.
Isaiah Zyvitski died in 1975 aged c 86. , Minnie Rosier is named on his headstone
MINNIE ROSIER ZYVITSKI died 31 August 1960 in Renfrew , her spouse is listed as
ISAIAH ZYVITSKI.
Isaiah Zyvitski died in 1975 aged c 86.
Renfrew, Renfrew County, Ontario, Minnie Rosier is named on his headstone
Plot Section 1B Memorial ID 204071443
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Just a point about the two departures in one month
You may find that it was two bookings but only 1 journey
She could have found an earlier or later departure check of original says NOB not onboard .I saw that for some ancestors.
What were the dates.?
Possibly I was mistaken, it looks like she arrived in Portland. I`ve not found the onward leg of the journey .
UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists,
Minnie Rosier Birth abt 1878 ?
Departure 10 Nov 1906 Liverpool, England
Destination Halifax, Canada
US Atlantic passenger lists
Name: Minnie Rosier Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Birthplace: Liverpool
Date: 21 Nov 1906 Port of Arrival: Portland, Maine
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Dominion
Friend's Name: Mrs Frances F Kirby
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Oh sorry I was looking for obits on the other members of the family which I thought might help. :-\
Ottawa Citizen
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
15 Feb 1964, Sat Page 30
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54703759/george-webb-15-february-1964/
Sandra
No worries, anything extra is a great help , thanks .