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Title: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 04 July 20 16:48 BST (UK)
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015071390317&view=1up&seq=1

In November 1906 Minnie  Rosier landed in Detroit, Michigan,  she was 23,  She was travelling from Toronto, and had paid for the voyage herself ,  her destination was the Young Woman’s Home, 79 Elizabeth Street , Detroit, Michigan.
Would this be the same place. Why would she have gone there.
She states she has never been in the US before.

In the same month she is on another passenger list travelling to Halifax so didn`t stop long.


 

Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: oldohiohome on Saturday 04 July 20 17:01 BST (UK)
I haven't found either of those arrivals yet, or I might be able to answer my own question, but are you sure the Halifax arrival didn't come first?

On, 20 April 1910, Minnie Rosier arrived in Detroit, she said she had arrived in Canada on November 19, 1906 at Halifax. This time she is headed to the YWCA in Detroit at 79 Elizabeth St West
contact in Canada: her father Robert Rosier, 314 Mutchmore St, Ottawa

Is that her?

As to why she went to the YWCA and the other organization, my guess is she didn't know anyone in the US but you needed a destination when you entered the country.
I didn't know the authorities would accept something like the "Y" as a destination, but looks like they did.
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: DonM on Saturday 04 July 20 17:07 BST (UK)
You could stay there for pennies a night and it was safe.  Maybe in town looking for friends/family/job or just there on vacation.

Don
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: oldohiohome on Saturday 04 July 20 17:08 BST (UK)
a trip home in 1913

Incoming UK passengers
Liverpool, SS Canada, arrived 28 May 1913 from Montreal
Minnie Rosier, age 25, no occupation
and
Arriving 31 August 1913 at Quebec from Liverpool
SS Canada
stamped "Retd Canadian"
Minnie Rosier, age 25, had been in Canada before, in Ottawa for 7 years, born in England, headed for Ottawa, "a tourist", religion: Church of England,


Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: oldohiohome on Saturday 04 July 20 17:22 BST (UK)
Is this her?
Left Liverpool on 10 November 1906, arrived 21 November 1906 at Portland, Maine, SS Dominion

Minnie Rosier, 23, born in Liverpool

going to a friend Mrs Frances F Purdy, 41 Drummond St, Montreal. There were 5 young women, including Minnie, headed to the same "friend"
Mrs Purdy had paid the passage for all of them, and they all were carrying $5 each. occupation of all was "domestic"
other names:

Marion Roth, 25, born in Switzerland, last residence: London
Jessie Sinclair, 25, born in Scotland, last residence: Inverness
Eva Brooks, 25, b in England, last residence: London
Ina Miller, 26, b in England, last residence: Kingston on Thames

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Technically the boat might have put in at Halifax, making that her first arrival in Canada. :) I don't know.

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If this is her, then maybe Mrs Purdy, giving her the benefit of the doubt, was running a placement agency for domestic servants in Montreal. Minnie later quits or gets out on her own somehow and heads for Detroit. - The part that doesn't fit is having a father in Ottawa in 1910. Had he arrived in Canada between Nov 1906 and Apr 1910?

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I'd like to know more about Mrs Purdy, if that were my ancestor or collateral ancestor.
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: oldohiohome on Saturday 04 July 20 17:24 BST (UK)
Do you have an exact date of birth?
Is this her?
U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
Name:    Minnie Rozier
Social Security Number:    xxx xx xxxx
Birth Date:    4 Jan 1886
Issue Year:    Before 1951
Issue State:    Michigan
Last Residence:    48208, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA
Death Date:    Apr 1976

If so, her last SS Check went to that postal zip code in Detroit.

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edited to add:
Did she lie about her age when coming to Canada the first time? Did she have to be 21+ to work for Mrs P.?  She was the youngest of the 5 ladies.
Just questions, trying to make it all fit. All the other manifests say she was born 1886.

Edited again
ancestry.com transcribes the lady's name as Kirby, not Purdy. They might be right.
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 04 July 20 17:41 BST (UK)
Do you have an exact date of birth?
Is this her?
U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
Name:    Minnie Rozier
Social Security Number:    xxx xx xxxx
Birth Date:    4 Jan 1886
Issue Year:    Before 1951
Issue State:    Michigan
Last Residence:    48208, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA
Death Date:    Apr 1976

If so, her last SS Check went to that postal zip code in Detroit.

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edited to add:
Did she lie about her age when coming to Canada the first time? Did she have to be 21+ to work for Mrs P.?  She was the youngest of the 5 ladies.
Just questions, trying to make it all fit. All the other manifests say she was born 1886.

Edited again
ancestry.com transcribes the lady's name as Kirby, not Purdy. They might be right.

Baptism: 14 Nov 1887 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Minnie Rosier - [Child] of (John) Robert Rosier  Born: 22 Jan 1887

 I  found most of the entries for her have the wrong age. her father went to Canada with his second wife and lived there for many years
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 04 July 20 17:48 BST (UK)
Parents on 1921 census 292 Harry St Renfrew.

John Robert Rosier 71 born England. Imm 1907.
Annie Rosier   63 born England. Imm 1907.

Both appear on a 1920 Canadian Passenger List - 5 June 1920 on the Canada - John 70 years - plasterer - returning Canadians - destination Ottawa. Ann 68 years also travelling.

Sandra
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 04 July 20 17:50 BST (UK)
The Ottawa Citizen
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
12 Mar 1942, Thu    Page 24

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54702692/obituary-for-john-robert-rosier-aged/

Sandra
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: brigidmac on Saturday 04 July 20 17:52 BST (UK)
Just a point about the two departures in one month

You may find that it was two bookings but only  1 journey

She could have found an earlier or later departure check of original says NOB not onboard .I saw that for some  ancestors.

What were the dates.?
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 04 July 20 17:59 BST (UK)
1891 West Derby, Lancashire.

John Robert Rosier   41 Hellie Rosier   11
Clara Rosier   9 Annie Rosier   7
Louisa Rosier   6 Minnie Rosier   4

RG12 Piece 2991 Folio 36 Page 3

Sandra
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 04 July 20 17:59 BST (UK)
Do you have an exact date of birth?
Is this her?
U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
Name:    Minnie Rozier
Social Security Number:    xxx xx xxxx
Birth Date:    4 Jan 1886
Issue Year:    Before 1951
Issue State:    Michigan
Last Residence:    48208, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA
Death Date:    Apr 1976

If so, her last SS Check went to that postal zip code in Detroit.

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edited to add:
Did she lie about her age when coming to Canada the first time? Did she have to be 21+ to work for Mrs P.?  She was the youngest of the 5 ladies.
Just questions, trying to make it all fit. All the other manifests say she was born 1886.

Edited again
ancestry.com transcribes the lady's name as Kirby, not Purdy. They might be right.

Baptism: 14 Nov 1887 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Minnie Rosier - [Child] of (John) Robert Rosier  Born: 22 Jan 1887

 I  found most of the entries for her have the wrong age. her father went to Canada with his second wife and lived there for many years
Just realised the Birth index has her born Dec qtr 1886,  so parish register entry is wrong.
ROSIER, MINNIE mmn     HINDLE     
GRO Reference: 1886  D Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 590
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 04 July 20 18:03 BST (UK)
Mrs George Webb mentioned in the obituary - 1921 census 835 Bank St  Ottawa

George Webb   28
Annie Webb   27 born England. Imm 1908.
Sidney Horace Webb   11
Stanley Robert George Webb   8
Lonard Webb   5
Norman Webb   13

marriage - Annie Rosier born 1884 Liverpool England. aged 24 years
Marriage Date:   25 Aug 1908 Carleton, Ontario, Canada
Father:   Jno Ross Rosier - Mother Alice Evans Rosier - Spouse George Webb

Sandra
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 04 July 20 18:05 BST (UK)
The Ottawa Citizen
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
27 Mar 1972, Mon    Page 40

No mention of Minnie.

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54703676/ann-rosier-webb-27-march-1972/

Ann Rosier Webb
Cemetery Beechwood National - Section 23
Burial Place:   Carleton (incl. Ottawa), Ontario, Canada
Notes:   WEBB GEORGE WEBB NOVEMBER 6, 1882 FEBRUARY 13, 1964 BELOVED HUSBAND OF ANN WEBB (NEE ROSIER) NOVEMBER 4, 1883 MARCH 24, 1972 LOVINGLY REMEMBERED BY FOUR SONS AND GRANDCHILDREN

Sandra
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 04 July 20 18:07 BST (UK)
I have all the census records for Minnie and her father while in England, plus  records for Canada.

 Minnie was second daughter  named as such, the first one died
 Birth  ROSIER, MINNIE        HINDLE     
1878  S Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK 
 Death ROSIER, MINNIE  aged 5  1883  J Quarter in WEST DERBY 

Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 04 July 20 18:08 BST (UK)
Oh sorry I was looking for obits on the other members of the family which I thought might help. :-\
Ottawa Citizen
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
15 Feb 1964, Sat    Page 30

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54703759/george-webb-15-february-1964/

Sandra
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: oldohiohome on Saturday 04 July 20 18:09 BST (UK)
Right, I don't think the lady that died in Detroit is her.
I'm in the middle of something else now, but a tree at ancestry says Minnie married John Little in Renfrew, Ontario, on 19 December 1914
the source is the marriage license. it says she was 25, born in Liverpool, Anglican, parents: John R Rosier and Alice Hinkle (?)

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/7921/ONMS932_320-0326/1152409

The tree says she later married Isaiah Zyvitski (no place or date or source)

She is said to have died in 1960 in Canada, probably Ottawa, but no time to look now.
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 04 July 20 18:11 BST (UK)
Minnie Rosier - 1889 Liverpool England  - aged 25 years

Marriage Date:   19 Dec 1914 Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
Father John R Rosier - Mother Alice Hindle Rosier
Spouse John Little

They are on the 1921 census

Sandra
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 04 July 20 18:13 BST (UK)
The Ottawa Citizen
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
1 Sep 1960, Thu    Page 32

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54704186/obituary-for-minnie-zyvitski-aged-61/

Sandra
Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 04 July 20 18:13 BST (UK)
On 19 December 1914 at the Baptist Church ,  Renfrew, Ontario ,  Minnie Rosier  aged 25 born Liverpool married JOHN LITTLE.   
The entry confirms her parents names John R Rosier, Alice Hindle Rosier

 On 27 August 1920 John Little died aged 30 , Renfrew, Ontario.
 In the 1921 Canada census Minnie Little was a servant

On 1 November 1926 at  Renfrew, Minnie married again. ISAAC JAMES ZYRITSKI,
Minnie Little [Minnie Rosier]  aged 37 widow,  Father  John Robert Rosier, mother Alice Hindle.

MINNIE ROSIER ZYVITSKI died 31 August 1960 in Renfrew , her spouse is listed as
ISAIAH ZYVITSKI.
Isaiah Zyvitski died in 1975 aged c 86. , Minnie Rosier is named on his headstone

MINNIE ROSIER ZYVITSKI died 31 August 1960 in Renfrew , her spouse is listed as
ISAIAH ZYVITSKI.

Isaiah Zyvitski died in 1975 aged c 86.
Renfrew, Renfrew County, Ontario, Minnie Rosier is named on his headstone
Plot    Section 1B Memorial ID    204071443



Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 04 July 20 18:48 BST (UK)
Just a point about the two departures in one month

You may find that it was two bookings but only  1 journey

She could have found an earlier or later departure check of original says NOB not onboard .I saw that for some  ancestors.

What were the dates.?

Possibly  I was mistaken, it looks like she arrived in Portland. I`ve  not found the onward leg of the journey .

UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists,
Minnie Rosier  Birth abt 1878  ?
Departure 10 Nov 1906 Liverpool, England
Destination Halifax, Canada

 US  Atlantic passenger lists
Name:    Minnie Rosier Age: 23
Estimated birth year:    abt 1883
Birthplace:    Liverpool
Date:    21 Nov 1906 Port of Arrival:    Portland, Maine
Port of Departure:    Liverpool, England
Ship Name:    Dominion
Friend's Name:    Mrs Frances F Kirby


Title: Re: Young Woman’s Home, Detroit.
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 04 July 20 18:49 BST (UK)
Oh sorry I was looking for obits on the other members of the family which I thought might help. :-\
Ottawa Citizen
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
15 Feb 1964, Sat    Page 30

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/54703759/george-webb-15-february-1964/

Sandra

 No worries, anything extra is a great help , thanks .