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Hi, I'm trying to find a baptism record for Joseph Perry who was born 1826/7 in Clee Hill/Middleton Shropshire. In the 1861 census he and his 8 year old daughter Mary are living with my great great grandparents John and Martha Rogers in Wolverhampton. Martha's mother's maiden name was Perry and I am trying to find if there may be a family connection as I know nothing about her prior to her marriage. I thought this might be a clue. Joseph lists Clee Hill as his birthplace in 1861 and Middleton in other censuses. So far I can't find a baptism for him. Can anyone help?
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Does he name a father on his marriage cert? Wife Caroline died 1854 aged 31 and he remarried to Hannah Wall in 1862
A tree on Ancestry shows his parents as William b 1799 and Elizabeth 1802
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There's a RC marriage in Wolverhampton, St Peter and St Paul, 11 Nov 1847
Joseph Perry to Caroline Cape or Cope
Witnesses Samuel Cape or Cope and Lucy Perry
No parents' names given
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The marriage to Hannah Wall gives his father as William Perry, a labourer
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He named his daughter Lucy - b 1848 Wolverhampton & a servant there in 1861
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No baptism for him so far in Shropshire - alt surnames. I wonder if he was RC but the marriage to Hannah was C of E
Add - I didn't see him in the non-c baptisms
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He named his daughter Lucy - b 1848 Wolverhampton & a servant there in 1861
GRO entry Sept Q 1848 Wolverhampton has her mother's maiden name as Cope so the RC marriage looks correct.
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Thanks both of you for that. I did know about Joseph's marriages but I didn't know the one to Caroline Cope was Catholic. That is interesting as the Rogers were Catholic. Martha's mother was Sarah Perry. She married in Walsall but her husband was from Bloxwich. There was a Father John Perry who was connected to a Catholic Church in Bloxwich, St Thomas the Apostle. I'm wondering if there is a connection but can't seem to find any more out.
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To add that Caroline is entered as Catharine on the GRO marriage index.
Ref - Woverhampton, Q4, 1847 Vol 17, page 483
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There is a LUCY Perry Bapt 15 Feb 1829, St Peter and St Paul, Wolverhampton to WILLIAM/ELIZABETH
Godparents: William RODGERS and Helena EDWARDS.
(FreeREG)
Unfortunately she is not with her Parents 1841 but is a 12 year old Servant in Wolverhampton.
1851 she is unm and a servant also.
So many Lucys around that could be the 1847 Marriage witness but this Lucy was Bapt same Church as Joseph Perry married 1847.
And as stated by CaroleW posted a Tree has Josephs Parents as WILLIAM/ELIZABETH
Also in 1841 Joseph unfortunately Joseph is also not with family members.
Worth looking at.
Trish :)
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Thank you so much Trish, William Rogers is likely to be John's father William so it looks as though there may well be a family connection.
I wonder if Martha's mother Sarah Perry could be Joseph's aunt, William's sister. All I know is she was born about 1804 and married her husband John Mayo in Walsall in 1825 and that he came from Bloxwich.
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Yes I did think that also. Although Sarah Mayos burial is on FreeREG 1847 I cant pin down a conclusive Bapt for her as Perry :P
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Interesting baptism,Wolverhampton St Peter
5 November 1804 Sarah Perry d of Thomas and Ann
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That is interesting, I will look further into that. I'm starting to wonder if Joseph was born in Shropshire on a visit for some reason but his family didn't actually live there, especially as there doesn't seem to be a baptism and the rest of the family are from Wolverhampton.
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I'm sure I saw a Dudley bpt earlier. I'll look back. Some of my family moved between Shropshire/ Denbighshire and Dudley, Willenhall and Wolverhampton in the early 19th C
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It was Willenhall not Dudley ;D
7 Aug 1796 William Perry, son of Thomas and Ann
It might be worth considering.
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Did you get this one
31 July 1825 Wolverhampton
William Perry and Elizabeth Chapman, both otp, and both signed.
Witnesses - William Canning and John Bidulph
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Arggggggggggg
7th March 1825 Wolverhampton
William Perry to Elizabeth Page. Both otp. William signed.
Witnesses - Edward Farmer and Samuel ??Francher or Hancher??
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It does look as though William was Sarah's brother. There are a lot of William Perry's around. I did find one in a later census with Thomas and Ann parents but he was down as unmarried maybe he was widowed.
I will look into it some more. The family did move around a lot!