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I am currently trying to track down my ancestor Charles William Greenwood.
He was probably born c. 1860 in England, possibly Islington in December quarter as that's what I found on the FreeBMD site.
He married Johanna "Annie" O'Brien on the 24th of August, 1885 and had a son, Herbert "Charles" Fleming Greenwood, born 1886, died 1962 in Mildura.
I don't precisely know when or where Charles was born or died, as his wife died young (cause unknown) in 1890 and subsequently he seems to disappear off the face of the Earth.
I don't know his parents' names, but The Age 13th Dec 1890 mentions that a mother of C. Greenwood died on the 12th at South Australia, so perhaps he had more family in Australia than at first assumed.
A family tree provided by my grandparents says he may have died in Hobart, but no date is given. I have searched the Library of Tasmania website but haven't found anything yet.
Any info/help would be greatly appreciated!
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You need to see this marriage certificate. It will record good information about Charles William GREENWOOD Johanna O'BRIEN.
VIC BDM
4526/1885 GREENWOOD Charles marr. OBRIEN, Johanna
births
4004/1887 GREENWOOD Herbert Charles parents Annie OBRIEN / Charles
HOTH
Who raised Herbert Charles GREENWOOD?
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4004/1887 GREENWOOD Herbert Charles parents Annie OBRIEN / Charles
HOTH
Who raised Herbert Charles GREENWOOD?
HOTH would stand for the region the birth occurred e.g. HOTHAM. Not the fathers surname.
Jo :)
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I am currently trying to track down my ancestor Charles William Greenwood.
He was probably born c. 1860 in England, possibly Islington in December quarter as that's what I found on the FreeBMD site.
There is a baptism for that Charles in Islington 11 Nov 1860 with parents George and Rebecca.
Born 19 Oct 1860. Occupation for father gardener.
Birth registration has mothers maiden name as Hines
1861 census Islington has
Rebecca Greenwood married 22 charwoman birthplace not known
Charles Greenwood son 5 months born Islington
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Marriage Jun 1858 Shoreditch has
George William Greenwood
Rebecca Hines
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There is a workhouse entry 23 Nov 1860 for Rebecca 22 and son Charles 1 month that says deserted by husband :(
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Hi all, quick update:
I contacted grandmother who says that Charles Greenwood first came to Adelaide from England, possibly North West England, apparently already married. First wife died aboard the ship, so Charles then remarried, possibly on ship.
After arriving in Adelaide, that second wife also died, and Charles subsequently married her sister in Adelaide, who then also died. At that point, the family apparently kicked him out, after which I presume he moved to Melbourne and married wife no. 4? Johanna O'Brien. After "Annie" O'Brien died in 1890, he apparently moved to Tasmania, but not much more is known of him after that. I still don't know who exactly raised son Herbert, but there was apparently a sister "Dory", but more children were probably born to other wives also.
The only Charles Greenwood arrival in Adelaide that I could find was aboard the "Earl Dalhousie" in 1875, aged 22, single, carpenter, UK Assisted Passenger I think.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/earldalhousie1875.shtml
If this is the same Charles Greenwood, then he was likely born c 1853.
Haven't yet found any info from his time in Tasmania, but he probably died there.
Unfortunately I still don't have wives' or parents' names yet, but it seems this story is much more bizarre than first assumed.
Thanks for all the replies so far!
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Hi
This is the link for immediate download of Victorian certificates.
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history
The cost is $20.
This is a list of information asked for on marriage in Victoria.
Date
Couple's names
Couple's ages
Couple's birthplaces
Previous status
Couple's occupations
Couple's residences
Fathers' names
Fathers' occupations
Groom's mothers name
Bride's mothers name
It will hopefully confirm Charles' parents for you and offer other helpful leads.
Sue
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I agree with you that the 2 Greenwood Death notices, one for "Annie" the wife, and one for the mother of C. GREENWOOD which appear in the same paper on the same day and together, do look to be connected.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/196978270
Sue
ADDING
This seems to be the death in SA
GREENWOOD Mabel Isabel. Female. At Adelaide 188/287 yr 1890
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My grandmother told me that she may already have the marriage certificate, so fingers crossed I won't have to pay for a new copy.
The death notices are probably connected, the only thing odd about them is that it says Annie died in August, when in fact she definitely died in July.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/197584227/johanna-greenwood
The mother's death notice is strange however, as the only Greenwood I could find on genealogysa.org.au that died in South Australia in 1890 is a Mabel Isabel, but on findagrave it says she died in September, so I suspect that the mother mentioned in The Age may have died with a different last name.
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The Age 13 Dec 1890 p5
GREENWOOD.— On .the 29th August, at Hotham, Annie, wife of C. Greenwood, aged 24 years.
GREENWOOD.—On the 12th December, at South Australia, mother of C. Greenwood, of Victoria.
http://www.aca.sa.gov.au/records
West Terrace Cemetery
GREENWOOD Mabel Isabel.
died 04/09/1890 buried 04/09/1890 age 5
Plan Z, Path V, Aspect W, Site Number 8
VIC BDM
21522/1885 GREENWOOD Mabel Isabel parents Alice Mabel WYLD / Robert
MELB
A death 12 Dec in Adelaide.....information received in Melbourne, and notice in the paper the next day.....???
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This is the lady who died 12 Dec 1890 in SA.
South Australian Deaths Registrations 1842 to 1915
GREENWALD Annie
Date: 12 Dec 1890
Age: 62y
Status: W
Relative: Charles GREENWALD (DH)
Residence: Alberton
Death Place: Alberton
District: Pt Adelaide
Book: 190 / Page: 239
GREENWOOD is the "English" version of GREENWALD.
Essie
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New update:
I have now got the marriage certificate and it provides the following information about Charles Greenwood:
He was born c. 1863 in Cheapside, London, to Charles Greenwood and Annie Freebody. He worked as a packing case maker while Johanna was a box maker. His father was apparently a steamer captain.
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The marriage certificate will be a good source of information in your research. We need to use all the information.
Can you please list all the information on the certificate.....names, dates, occupations, ages, place names, church, witnesses.....everything please.
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Some more on Johanna “Annie”.......
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/190631426?searchTerm=“Annie%20greenwood”
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Hi all, thought I should update this thread as I have found a lot of new information.
Johanna died of TB in 1890, and the following year Charles, now going by Charlie, is a professional cyclist and marries Nellie Hahir. They have a daughter, Doris Leonia Nellie Greenwood. "Charlie" and Nellie divorce in 1904, apparently Nellie was pretending to be a widow and had relations with another man, John Henderson, to whom she was later married.
Charles then went on to marry Alice Jane Clotz in 1905. Newspaper articles indicate that their marriage was awful, with Charles neglecting Alice and suggesting that she should prostitute herself in order to make more money while he was out of work. They were divorced by the courts in 1916, though by that time Charles's whereabouts were not known. Perhaps he had gone to Tasmania, as it is said that he had apparently gone there at some point and died possibly in Hobart, though when exactly I don't know. Charles probably married again in Tasmania.
I have attached his marriage certificates to Nellie and Alice. They state that his father's name is not known, though when he married Johanna his father was called Charles. Another difference is that they say he was born in Queenstown, South Australia, though the minister recorded "South America" when he married Nellie, which I presume to be a spelling mistake.
Not sure where to go from here, as it doesn't look like there's much available online from Tasmania.
Cheers.
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The Advertiser 12 Dec 1891 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/24808957?
GRENWALD. — In loving memory of Annie Grenwald, who died at King-street, Alberton, on December
12,1890, aged 62 years. Oh for the touch of a vanished hand
The South Australian Advertiser 8 Nov 1878 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/29365220?
WEBB—GRENWALD.—On the 30th October, at Pooncarie, River Darling, Mr. J. WEBB,
of Pooncarie, to Miss Kate GRENWALD, of Alberton.
NSW BDM marriage
5149/1878 GRENWALD Catherine L marr. WEBB John William @ Wentworth
VIC BDM death
19064/1946 WEBB Cathrun Lettice parents UKN/UKN
born Kangaroo Island South Australia died Mildura 88y
...so born ~ 1856
Adelaide Hospital records
https://archives.sa.gov.au/finding-information/discover-our-collection/health-and-welfare/hospitals
1057 GRENWALD Ann
(admitted)........ 26/06/1876 (age)....... 45y
(status) ............W(idow?) (Religion)....Church of England.........(residence) Alberton
(birth place)....... Cornwall (time in the colony)........26y
(ship of arrival)...Balboo
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https://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-database-search
Birth
GRENWALD Charles William M (father) Charles GRENWALD
Adelaide 20/343 1862
GRENWALD Agnes F (father) Charles GRENWALD
Port Adelaide 97/334 1871
GRENWALD John Ernest M (father) Charles William GRENWALD
Adelaide 50/214 1867
Death
GRENWALD Agnes F Port Adelaide 45/495 1872
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https://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-database-search
Birth
GRENWALD Charles William M (father) Charles GRENWALD
Adelaide 20/343 1862
GRENWALD Agnes F (father) Charles GRENWALD
Port Adelaide 97/334 1871
GRENWALD John Ernest M (father) Charles William GRENWALD
Adelaide 50/214 1867
Death
GRENWALD Agnes F Port Adelaide 45/495 1872
Thanks for this Wivenhoe! I have found this page, which mentions a Dorothy Ann "Annie" who married a William Freebody, before marrying ship operator (steamer captain?) Charles William Grenwald. I believe this is probably his family, so I will have to buy a few certificates and see what else I can find.
http://www.birdchildsandgoldsmith.com/acatalog/Childs_History.html
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Possible?
From the New Town Charitable Institute records, Tasmania
Charles Greenwood, aged 78y in 1942, born England, cricketer, wife L. Greenwood 46 New Town rd
https://stors.tas.gov.au/HSD274-1-3$init=HSD274-1-3_23,HSD274-1-3_24 (https://stors.tas.gov.au/HSD274-1-3$init=HSD274-1-3_23,HSD274-1-3_24)
1943 electoral roll
Charles (no occupation) and Laura Greenwood at 46 New Town rd
1927 marriage of Charles Greenwood and Laura Beryl Louisa Sattler
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article29666044
Cemetery records for Charles and Laura
https://server2.admin.millingtons.com.au:81/ASP/search_details.asp?RecordID=41413
https://server2.admin.millingtons.com.au:81/ASP/search_details.asp?RecordID=41714
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Death notice
Late AMF 1st AIF
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article26712019
Service record
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=9554803
1917 motor & cycle builder, wife Alice
1919 cycle mechanic, wife Elsie
ADD: signatures on service record and marriage certs compare well
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1922 death of Elsie Greenwood
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article23540256
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Burial order for Charles Greenwood says born Leeds, England
https://stors.tas.gov.au/AF70-1-72P0468JPG
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From the New Town Charitable Institute records, Tasmania
Charles Greenwood, aged 78y in 1942, born England, cricketer, wife L. Greenwood 46 New Town rd
https://stors.tas.gov.au/HSD274-1-3$init=HSD274-1-3_23,HSD274-1-3_24 (https://stors.tas.gov.au/HSD274-1-3$init=HSD274-1-3_23,HSD274-1-3_24)
Appears on both pages under 'G' with alternative information
on second 'Index - G' page
born Alberton South Australia, Billiards Room Manager
born Leeds England, Cricketer
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1927 marriage of Charles Greenwood and Laura Beryl Louisa Sattler
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article29666044
Death notice and In Memoriam for daughter Norma
Inserted by her loving father, mother, sisters and brothers
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article29215080
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article25559257
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Use Trove to find GREENWOOD death, possibly your family.
Mercury 13 Oct 1937 p1
I am having trouble doing a link.
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Hi Wivenhoe and Matthewj, I was aware already that there was a Charles Greenwood who married Elsie, then Laura, as I had seen some of those newspaper articles already, as well as the service record. I was unsure however that this was definitely my man, but now it seems a lot more likely, as the hospital records state a birth place of Alberton SA, which lines up with the birth of a Charles William Grenwald, born to Charles and Dorothy Ann "Annie", nee Kindley, formerly Penrose/Bolton/Freebody in 1862. I have found a few trees on familysearch which include this Charles, but only a birth with no further details. I suspect this is because he changed his name to Greenwood and then moved to Victoria, then Tasmania.
It is interesting that his AIF enlistment mentions wife Alice, interned in Germany. I doubt this is the same Alice that he had divorced a few years prior, so this means that he may well have married up to six times throughout his life. I would love to find a marriage or death certificate from Tasmania, however it seems that newspaper announcements are about as good as it gets. Oh well, I will have to hunt down more children in Tasmania now.
Thanks a lot everyone!
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Have found these on microfilm
Charles GREENWOOD married Elspeth Gellie SIMPER (30y, home duties, spinster)
25 Apr 1918, St Davids Cathedral Hobart
Details for Charles
Age 50y, soldier
Widower, wife died 1916, 3 children living
Born Yorkshire, England
Father -- Greenwood, Captain
Mother Annie Greenwood nee Freebody
Charles GREENWOOD married Laura Beryl Louisa SATTLER (27y, home duties, spinster)
9 Feb 1927, Chalmers Church Hobart
Details for Charles
Age 43y, Billiard (Maker or Marker?)
Widower, wife died 1922, 2 children living
Born Leeds, Yorkshire
Father Herbert Greenwood, Captain Navy, deceased
Mother Annie Greenwood nee Annie Kindly
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https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/
Elspeth's surname at birth was SEMPER. DOB 22/7/1886. At Hobart
Father William
Mother Sarah Jane DEAKES
Laura Beryl Louise SATTLER DOB 16/4/1899. At Victoria-Huon
Father John George
Mother Lucy BUTTERWORTH
Sue
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It is interesting that his AIF enlistment mentions wife Alice, interned in Germany. I doubt this is the same Alice that he had divorced a few years prior, so this means that he may well have married up to six times throughout his life. I would love to find a marriage or death certificate from Tasmania, however it seems that newspaper announcements are about as good as it gets. Oh well, I will have to hunt down more children in Tasmania now.
Thanks a lot everyone!
Charles then went on to marry Alice Jane Clotz in 1905. Newspaper articles indicate that their marriage was awful, with Charles neglecting Alice and suggesting that she should prostitute herself in order to make more money while he was out of work. They were divorced by the courts in 1916, though by that time Charles's whereabouts were not known.
Well, it is possible that at the time of this enlistment he did not know he was divorced!
It is also possible there were rumours of the CLOTZ family being interned in an Australian Centre . (Not in Germany)
Sue
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It is interesting that his AIF enlistment mentions wife Alice, interned in Germany. I doubt this is the same Alice that he had divorced a few years prior, so this means that he may well have married up to six times throughout his life. I would love to find a marriage or death certificate from Tasmania, however it seems that newspaper announcements are about as good as it gets. Oh well, I will have to hunt down more children in Tasmania now.
Thanks a lot everyone!
Charles then went on to marry Alice Jane Clotz in 1905. Newspaper articles indicate that their marriage was awful, with Charles neglecting Alice and suggesting that she should prostitute herself in order to make more money while he was out of work. They were divorced by the courts in 1916, though by that time Charles's whereabouts were not known.
Well, it is possible that at the time of this enlistment he did not know he was divorced!
It is also possible there were rumours of the CLOTZ family being interned in an Australian Centre . (Not in Germany)
Sue
Well, the newspaper mentions that when Alice Clotz divorced him, his whereabouts were unknown. He states on his marriage to Elspeth that Alice had died in 1916. I should add that Charles treated Alice horribly.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/130162079?searchTerm=%22Charles%20Greenwood%22%20%22Alice%22
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I've found a son, Charles Herbert Greenwood, b. 7/5/1921, served WW2, married Nancy Aitcheson 1943.
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This lengthy news item confirms Charles is in Tasmania from at least 1908 when he takes up a cricket coaching position . Perhaps you already have the item. Not sure.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12665670
It gives a good account of his movements in Australia, though no mention of wives.
It is possible he has exaggerated his CV ::)
Interesting reading
Sue
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Mercury 6 Dec 1938 p4
engagement of daughter....and another named
Mercury 2 Nov 1940 p7
....birth to GREENWOOD daughter.......
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Mercury 6 Dec 1938 p4
engagement of daughter....and another named
Mercury 2 Nov 1940 p7
....birth to GREENWOOD daughter.......
Couldn't find the engagement notice in the 6/12/38 paper. Did you type the wrong page/date or do I need to look harder? :)
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Yes...should be 6 Dec 1939.....
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Links to above
Marriage
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/25761747?searchTerm=%22brown%20greenwood%22~12
Baby
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/25831494?searchTerm=%22nee%20greenwood%22
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I don't know if you are looking for offspring of Charles.
Here is a son
I think his name may have originally been Lloyd Alwyn, not Alvin.
https://www.mytributes.com.au/notice/death-notices/greenwood-lloyd-alvin/3750369/
His daughter Billie whose marriage is mentioned above by wivenhoe, married and there were children. She is deceased.
Sue
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Yes it was Alwyn according to the marriage notice in the paper. I haven't found Billie's death notice yet, but I've found three children, so far, all with similar names. Rodney James Brown died 2001 in the USA.
https://www.goupstate.com/article/NC/20010523/News/605181702/SJ
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I am not sure whether you have Glory Denise.
At Springvale Cemetery
Died 29 December 1989
Date of service03 January 1990
Service provided Cremated
Here is a clip to her wedding with her sister as attendant
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26018208?searchTerm=%22son%20c%20greenwood%22~12
Sue
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Reply #27.....what record is this please.......by title.
Details for Charles
Age 43y, Billiard (Maker or Marker?)
Widower, wife died 1922, 2 children living
Born Leeds, Yorkshire
Father Herbert Greenwood, Captain Navy, deceased
Mother Annie Greenwood nee Annie Kindly
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I am not sure whether you have Glory Denise.
At Springvale Cemetery
Died 29 December 1989
Date of service03 January 1990
Service provided Cremated
Here is a clip to her wedding with her sister as attendant
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26018208?searchTerm=%22son%20c%20greenwood%22~12
Sue
Yes I have found Glory Denise. So far the children I have found are:
Born to 1st wife Johanna O'Brien:
-Herbert Charles Greenwood, alias Herbert Fleming Greenwood, 1886-1962
Born to 2nd wife Nellie Hahir:
-Doris Leonia Nellie Greenwood, 1893-1974
There were definitely no children from the 3rd marriage.
Born to 4th wife Elspeth Semper:
-Glory Denise Greenwood, c. 1917-1990
-Charles Herbert Greenwood, 1921-2017
-Billie Nada Jane Greenwood, ????-before 2012?
Born to 5th wife Laura Sattler:
-Norma Elsie Ruby Greenwood, c. 1930-1937
-Lloyd Alwyn Greenwood, 1931-2012
-a daughter, born 1935, possibly still alive?
There was also another daughter listed on one of the marriage notices in the Mercury, not sure from which wife, possibly still alive so I won't mention her name yet.
So there, 9 or 10 children so far.
Reply #27.....what record is this please.......by title.
Details for Charles
Age 43y, Billiard (Maker or Marker?)
Widower, wife died 1922, 2 children living
Born Leeds, Yorkshire
Father Herbert Greenwood, Captain Navy, deceased
Mother Annie Greenwood nee Annie Kindly
That is from a marriage certificate. matthewj64 found his Tasmanian marriage certificates and emailed them to me. Strange that his father is called Herbert, when his father was Charles William at the time of his birth in Adelaide. Whatever the case, Herbert was clearly a name that meant a lot to him.
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Birth certificate transcription for Charles William Grenwald.
Father, Charles, is a ship carpenter apparently. Not quite the sea captain his son had claimed he was.
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Do you already have the BISA entries for KINDLEY?
Sue
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Do you already have the BISA entries for KINDLEY?
Sue
No. I'm not sure how to obtain those without paying silly amounts of money to the rather slow genealogysa folks.
What sorts of information might they contain? It appears there is an entry for a Dorothy Kindley, not sure if that's my Dorothy or someone else.
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The Advertiser 12 Dec 1891 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/24808957?
GRENWALD. — In loving memory of Annie Grenwald, who died at King-street, Alberton, on December
12,1890, aged 62 years. Oh for the touch of a vanished hand
The South Australian Advertiser 8 Nov 1878 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/29365220?
WEBB—GRENWALD.—On the 30th October, at Pooncarie, River Darling, Mr. J. WEBB,
of Pooncarie, to Miss Kate GRENWALD, of Alberton.
NSW BDM marriage
5149/1878 GRENWALD Catherine L marr. WEBB John William @ Wentworth
VIC BDM death
19064/1946 WEBB Cathrun Lettice parents UKN/UKN
born Kangaroo Island South Australia died Mildura 88y
...so born ~ 1856
Adelaide Hospital records
https://archives.sa.gov.au/finding-information/discover-our-collection/health-and-welfare/hospitals
1057 GRENWALD Ann
(admitted)........ 26/06/1876 (age)....... 45y
(status) ............W(idow?) (Religion)....Church of England.........(residence) Alberton
(birth place)....... Cornwall (time in the colony)........26y
(ship of arrival)...Balboo
The Webb-Grenwald marriage is interesting...
http://www.graemecheeseman.com/johnwright&sarahbodger01.html
The above link points to a page which states that Catherine/Cathrun Lettice was born with the family name Weidenbach. I've emailed the owner of the site about this, hopefully this will help search for the parents of Charles Greenwood/Grenwald.
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This is transcribed from BISA
Kindley, Dorothy C. Arrived 1848 per Baboo. Res. Port Adelaide . Rel C/E
Kindley. Mr. b Eng. Died by 1856. Arr 1848. Baboo. Res Alberton. Rel. C/E ,Wes. Marr Ann , b. c. 1831.
Occ dressmaker. Chn Catherine (Kate) (c. 1857) Dau and 2 sons
Sue
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This is transcribed from BISA
Kindley, Dorothy C. Arrived 1848 per Baboo. Res. Port Adelaide . Rel C/E
Kindley. Mr. b Eng. Died by 1856. Arr 1848. Baboo. Res Alberton. Rel. C/E ,Wes. Marr Ann , b. c. 1831.
Occ dressmaker. Chn Catherine (Kate) (c. 1857) Dau and 2 sons
Sue
That's her alright. Not sure who "Kindley, Mr." could be, as Kindley was definitely her maiden name. She was "married" several times however.
Does the BISA contain any references to Greenwood/Grenwald/etc?
Thanks.
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This is transcribed from BISA
Kindley, Dorothy C. Arrived 1848 per Baboo. Res. Port Adelaide . Rel C/E
Kindley. Mr. b Eng. Died by 1856. Arr 1848. Baboo. Res Alberton. Rel. C/E ,Wes. Marr Ann , b. c. 1831.
Occ dressmaker. Chn Catherine (Kate) (c. 1857) Dau and 2 sons
Sue
That's her alright. Not sure who "Kindley, Mr." could be, as Kindley was definitely her maiden name. She was "married" several times however.
Does the BISA contain any references to Greenwood/Grenwald/etc?
Thanks.
You need to be careful about what you establish as fact if it is taken only from the family research of others online.
what evidence for the 'several marriages'?
BISA is a magnificent work, but not always completely accurate.
This is the list of immigrants per Baboo 1848,
"Mr" KINDLEY is not mentioned.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/48726486
Sue
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I have seen a couple of trees online, I think on familysearch, which state she had a child with William Freebody, a child with Edward Haynes, one with Thomas Boland, as well as possibly being married to a William Penrose, though I do agree that these are questionable. I think the records are on genealogysa, though I haven't seen the certificates myself. She probably wasn't actually formally married to any of these men, assuming they actually existed and hadn't just been invented by Dorothy herself to cover for extramarital relationships.
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What do you know about Elsie GREENWOOD, died 1922?. Does Elsie have family in Tasmania?
Charles GREENWOOD, husband of Elsie who died 1922, marries again in 1927, five years after death of Elsie.
There would seem to be children born to Elsie. Who looked after these children in five years between death of Elsie, 1922, and next marriage of her husband Charles.
Possibly GREENWOOD family in Tasmania?
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Elsie was the nickname of Charles's 4th wife, Elspeth Gellie Semper.
They had at least three children: Glory Denise Greenwood (1917-1990), Charles Herbert Greenwood (1921-2017) and Billie Nada Jane Greenwood (deceased on half brother Lloyd's obit.)
The marriage and engagement notices in the papers state clearly that they were the children of Mr. C. Greenwood and the late Mrs. E. Greenwood, so presumably Charles hadn't just left them behind like he had done with his children in Victoria. Not sure if there were other children from this marriage, but those are the ones I have found for certain.
What's kind of mind-boggling is that his eldest son, Herbert Charles Greenwood (alias Herbert Fleming Greenwood?) had already had five children before Charles Herbert Greenwood was even born. Herbert had two more children after that, the last in 1930, while his father had more children born in the 1930s, so that all of Herbert's children were born before the last of their aunts/uncles.
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Page with photo of The Albany, Macquarie st Hobart, later address for Charles and Laura Greenwood
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-page1914326
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