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Could you please look up date of Death for Winifred Alice Moody (Webb) dob 1897 - mother's maiden name Stride. I have found her on 1939 Reg but I can't find her death.
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Where was her marriage, please, and where was she living in 1939?
Added: married 1920, Southampton.
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Tree on Ancestry has that marriage in 1920 of a Winifred Amelia Webb to Alfred H Moody.
Could you confirm which marriage and that age in 1939 is on birth year of 1897.
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There is a death for Winifred Amelia Moody April quarter 1991, Romsey, Hampshire. Her birthdate 14th October 1898
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Winifred Amelia Webb b 1898 Romsey has mmn Comber so not the right one.
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Yes, so does Winifred Alice Webb marry a different Moody, and show in 1939, or does not marry a Moody, does not show on 1901 or 1911 censuses, and dies elsewhere?
Some of those surnames have travellers in the families.
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Birth
Winifred Alice Webb mmn Stride June quarter 1897 Southampton
Is this her?
1901 1051/90/6
Winnie Webb 4 yrs b Southampton living with Grandparents William and Elizabeth in Dibden
In 1911 she is a niece to Herbert Webb (he is in that 1901 family)
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Winifred's father was possibly George Webb, (marriage George Webb and Alice Stride), who could have been born around 1870 from censuses of grandfather with family, and there is a death for a George Webb in the New Forest age 27 in 1897.
There is also a death for an Alice Webb in the New Forest in 1897 age 27.
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A tree on Ancestry states her death as 1973 Battle, Sussex in name of Winifred Alice Webb - however, this is incorrect since this lady was born 17/7/1897 (born after 'your' Winifred's birth registered) and research shows she was the wife of a Stanley Webb, and her maiden name was Appleby.
Equally, as has been shown, she is not the Winifred A Webb who married Alfred H Moody in 1920 since this lady was Winifred Amelia Webb, born 14/10/1898.
So, it's back to the drawing board.
Annette
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A Winifred A Webb aged 14 arrived in Quebec on 4th August 1911 having left from Liverpool on 24th July 1911 - states she was going to an aunt but writing awful and don't think her name is given.
Wonder if this could be her?
Annette
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There is a Winnifred A Webb, 1897, on 1921 Canada census, Winnipeg, as a servant. However, says year of immigration as 1914.
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Possibly married in August 1921 in Winnipeg to Robert Taylor Cook.
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There is a Winniefred A Cook visiting England, on BOAC, in 1962.
Her birth date is given as 21st April 1897.
The marriage certificate can be bought from Manitoba:
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/DetailView.php
or her birth certificate to see if that birth date matches.
Added, Manitoba front page?:
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
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I can confirm that Winifred was born 1897 not 1899 as stated on 1939 Reg. I have found two entries for her childrens births on BDM with the surname Moody and mother maiden name Webb. Her parents George Webb & Alice Stride who died young in Dibden and are buried in Dibden church yard. She was looked after by grandparents William & Elizabeth Webb and other family members. I would like to be able to find her death details. Thanks.
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What evidence do you have that your Winifred married Mr Moody?
Are you certain re the Moody/Webb children being in your family?
As has been shown, Winifred Amelia Webb married Mr Moody.
Her birthdate on death and 1939 are the same except for the year.
Winifred Amelia was born in December quarter 1898 (Romsey with mother Comber) which fits with the death of Winifred A Moody.
Winifred Alice was born June quarter 1897 - Southampton mmn Stride.
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Have you got the marriage certificate of Winifred to Mr Moody?
If one of the births you have is for Jeanne Moody/Congdon, then she is in 4 trees on Ancestry with mother as Winifred Amelia. I know that trees are often wrong, but you need to consider that Winifred Alice married in Canada.
The Canadian marriage certificate should name both mother and father.
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What evidence do you have that your Winifred married Mr Moody?
Are you certain re the Moody/Webb children being in your family?
As has been shown, Winifred Amelia Webb married Mr Moody.
Her birthdate on death and 1939 are the same except for the year.
Winifred Amelia was born in December quarter 1898 (Romsey with mother Comber) which fits with the death of Winifred A Moody.
Winifred Alice was born June quarter 1897 - Southampton mmn Stride.
I agree wholeheartedly with heywood.
It was a Winifred Amelia Webb who married Alfred Henry Moody in 1920 not Winifred Alice Webb - they did indeed have 2 children (a son in 1922 and a daughter in 1926 in New Forest). Winifred Amelia was born 14 October 1898 but she incorrectly states year as 1899 in 1939 Register. She died as Winifred Amelia Moody born 14/10/1898, d. 1991 Romsey (her husband died 1986 New Forest).
You have not answered specific questions which have been asked.
If you are working back from the Moody family found in 1939 then, as has been proved, that Winifred was, as stated above, a Winifred Amelia Webb born 14/10/1898.
If you are trying to work forward from Winifred Alice Webb b.1897 to establish what became of her she was not the Winifred A. who married Alfred Henry Moody in 1920 (again, as we have proved above).
If your main concern is indeed Winifred Alice Webb b.1897 (mmn Stride) I would suggest you get her birth certificate to establish her full date of birth. If it turns out to be 21/4/1897 then that would seem to confirm that she was indeed the Winifred A. Webb who went to Canada in 1911 (just 3 months after the 1911 census) and who probably married there in 1921 to a Robert Taylor Cook.
We are simply trying to help you and unfortunately the information you give at the outset is incorrect in that it definitely wasn't Winifred Alice who married Mr Moody in 1920. Since we don't know which angle you are working from i.e. back from Moody/Webb family (in which case the Winifred you should be concentrating on is Winifred Amelia born 14/10/1898) or forward from Winifred Alice Webb b.1897 (who is not the one who married a Mr. Moody so you are not going to find a death for a Winifred Alice Moody).
Can you confirm to us which Winifred you are specifically interested in - the Winifred A(melia) Webb born 1898 who married Moody or the Winifred Alice Webb b.1897, who are 2 different people?
Annette
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I believe that this is my Winifred A Webb.
First name(s) WINIFRED ALICE
Last name WEBB
Birth year 1897
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Stride
District Southampton
County Hampshire
Country England
Volume 2C
Page 17
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, England
I know that her mother was Alice Stride has I have her parents marriage Certificate and I know my family history in depth.
She is listed on the 1901 census with her grandparents ( my g/grandparents) at Dale farm, her date of birth states 1897.
1911 Census she is with her uncle Herbert at Manor Farm aged 13.
Unfortunately I can't obtain her married Cert from GRO at the moment because of the Covid-19. I am still waiting in Australia for several Certs that I ordered in May.
All of the information on BDM, Find my Past & Family search about this family lead me to think that I'm correct. Sorry but I do not trust some of Ancestry's public trees, so I'll wait until I can get more
Certificates. Heywood has the correct family.
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Yes, that’s the one we think is your Winifred too. Her birth would be June/July/August 1897
If the marriage certificate is the Moody marriage and then the 1939 register then we have shown that it is not your lady.
Whilst you are right that published trees, there are records.
Winifred Amelia (Full name) Moody’s death shows a birthdate of 14th October 1898
This compares quite favourably, I believe, with the 1939 register.
We are not working from a tree.
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Thank you Heywood.
Although the latest Certs I ordered were for e- Certs rather than hope that they reach Australia by post I haven't received them yet. I will send for more but until then I'll but my search on hold.
I do find the fact that the Winifred Amelia Webb that I believe is being spoken about was born in Romsey. I am 99% certain that my Winifred wasn't born there. I do know that Ancestry can be helpful in some cases, I was a member many years ago until some of my info was abused. I do believe that purchasing the records of a person of whom there are doubts about is the way to go. I find having lived in the area of where my ancestors of the Webb family lived helps.
It's a shame that the two Birth records of Peter A 1922 & Jeanne 1926 on BDM giving the surname Moody and mother's maiden Stide born N/Forest don't give the mothers full name. Again I'll have to wait for Certs.
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Apologies, Peter and Jeanne Moody mother's maiden name states Webb not Stride. I was a generation back too far.
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This site, General Register Office (official civil records) is helpful as it shows mother’s maiden name for a birth to 1919.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
You need to sign in but it is free. I assume you have ordered your certificates through this.
You will see:
1897 Southampton June quarter vol 02c pg 17
Winifred Alice Webb mmn Stride
1898 Romsey December quarter vol 02c pg 103
Winifred Amelia Webb mmn Comber
I know this has all been written earlier but i hope it helps to repeat it.
The 1939 register helps with a date of birth and it has been noted by you that the year of birth is out but the day and month would indicate Winifred A Moody to be the birth in Romsey.
The death of Winifred Amelia Moody, in 1991, Romsey shows a birthdate of 14th October 1898
It certainly seems that Winifred Webb who married Alfred Moody is not your family and you may later want to follow the Canada references that were offered earlier by chempat.
Good luck. I hope the certificates arrive soon. :)