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General => The Stay Safe Board => Topic started by: Rishile on Friday 10 July 20 20:02 BST (UK)
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I can't say that I do.
In the old days we would generally go out most days, have a wander around the shops in a local town or market town, have a coffee, maybe lunch. Have a wander around a supermarket or something. All of this seems to be so much hassle at the moment, I don't want to be bothered with it.
We are not doing much more than we did during lockdown except we have now had our hair cut. I'm strangely happy to be around our house and garden but can't wait until things get back to a proper normal - but I'm beginning to doubt it will ever happen.
Does anyone else feel like this?
Rishile
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Yes me too.
I used to love just sitting in a coffee shop watching the world go by or mooching round a shop not for anything in particular, just looking to see what the new fashions/colours are.
My activities with the U3A (Bridge, Art, Singing for Fun) are all on hold. We hold our ukulele sessions on Zoom but have to be on mute except for the leader as the time lag between us would make a terrible row. It's not the same, although we have a chat in between songs.
I used to love hopping on the train to go to stay with my daughter for a few days - valuable mum & daughter catch- up time when we could talk about personal things & chew over our worries. Not so easy online.
My cousin and I would meet up in London, go to our favourite venue and spend about 5 hours just chatting about family, everyday life & our childhoods.
I appreciate I don't have to worry about redundancy, mortgage etc although I have children and grandchildren I worry for. But I feel at my time of life I might not have too many years of reasonable fitness left & it irks me to be just marking time maybe for up to another year.
Sorry for the pessimism, I've made a very conscious effort to remain upbeat and cheery throughout, but I think not being able to see an end to it is getting me down.
Pat
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I agree, Rishile. I have been able to open up my caravan, so I'm now able to sit looking at the sea, which does feel a bit more normal. However things on the site are different e.g the office isn't open to go into, you have to speak to them through the window which has a perspex screen in front of it. The communal areas are closed and we have to let the managers know when we are resident on site, rather than just coming and going. People are also keeping their distance. Usually when I'm here I use the local supermarket, but I've been able to get a delivery so am doing that instead.
I look at the television and people seem to be going about life as usual, apart from social distancing in most cases. It's almost as if it's all over, but I don't feel that way yet, so will only be going to places that I have to i.e I had to get petrol before I came down here - can't do that on line.
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Looking to the future a little, I was interested to read this overview of vaccine development work and can only imagine the phenomenal amount of work that is going into all the research and development. According to the article there are already 4 vaccines in Stage 3 trials:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html
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My OH has ME and has spend a lot of time at home for a number of years where we have lots of outdoor space in a rural area so in many ways lockdown wasn't that different for us. I never liked shopping trips and have bought online for years if I can't buy it from the nearest small market town. We also cut our own hair, grow fruit and veg etc Like you Rishile we are comfortable at home.
However I really miss coffee/lunches with friends and the wonderful local cafe where we used to pop into for an impromtu lunch when the day was wet and dismal. Even when these places open I doubt we would feel comfortable going back at the moment. I really shouldn't grumble as we are much better off than most.
Kay
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we used to pop into for an impromtu lunch
Oh the joy - I just wish we could do that again.
Rishile
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we used to pop into for an impromtu lunch
Oh the joy - I just wish we could do that again.
Rishile
I think the new normal for a long time is going to be having to book for everything, so people will have to plan in advance. No longer waking up thinking, “ It’s a lovely day, let’s go to xxxxx.” Even if it’s just a walk or a drive, unless you have booked ahead, the chances are you won’t be able eat anywhere.
My niece and family have a self catering holiday booked in a few weeks time, so they have had to think ahead and prebook visits, as most places are working on about a 40% of normal capacity. To play safe they are only visiting outside venues, such as zoos. So will have to go, even if it is pouring with rain.
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The UK governments have made everyday life pretty joyless. In Scotland compulsory mask wearing has turned shopping into a miserable chore. Casual conversation is dead - muffled sounds are not a conversation. Nobody smiles anymore, or if they do how would you know as their face is hidden behind a grotesque mask. Social interaction is at the core of humanity; our governments do not seem to understand this basic fact.
People need to get out and spend to get the economy going again but who wants to amid the myriad of confusing and anti social rules. We need to shop for food but why should anyone go into any other shops. Our family has abandoned non food shopping until such time as we are treated like human beings. Sorry High Street!
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I hate to plan things. I much prefer to just do whatever we fancy doing at a given time. I think the new normal has taken all the fun and joy out of life. I only go where I have to go now. I go to the supermarket, for walks around our village, to the chemist. I have been in a couple of shops and had my hair cut but the experience is far to clinical for me. Hand sanitizer, arrows on the floor, don't touch anything, queue to get in, queue at the tills, screens, contactless payment, stay 2m apart and soon, wear a mask.
For the short term I am happy to stay at home where I can eat or drink what I want, when I want, I can walk around not worrying about social distancing, touching anything, and I don't have to queue to get in. However, I am beginning to wonder how long it will be before things get back to the real normal and whether we will be able to adapt again.
Rishile
SonofThom - I was typing as you posted. I totally agree - I will keep my money in the bank until things improve.
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Sonofthom, it isn’t just the UK Government, I think you will find it is the same in every country that has had cases of Covid19. In fact, at the moment we are one of the few countries where the wearing of masks isn’t mandatory when you go outside. Countries that introduced it early on are those who had fewer cases. I dislike wearing a mask, but if putting up with the inconvenience and discomfort for a few months shortens the need for social distancing etc, surely it is worth it?
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"every country" - I think you need to check your facts Groom. Wearing masks outside (not just in enclosed spaces) - again check your facts; not even Scotland a rather authoritarian country these days, requires this. "A few months" - seriously? I genuinely haven't a clue what you are trying to achieve by this unless you are of the belief that this will somehow eradicate the virus; it won't!
If we wish to have an economy and a worthwhile future we need to restart society now.
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Try reading this - "more than 50 countries require people to cover their faces when they leave home." That was early June, more have followed suit since then.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/countries-wearing-face-masks-compulsory-200423094510867.html
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Last week I read that the World Health Organisation has said there is 'some evidence' that the virus can remain suspended in the air for some hours - therefore susceptible to being blown by the wind, landing on surfaces etc.
If this is true, could it explain why those countries where mask-wearing is routine because of pollution or just social custom, seem to have had far fewer cases /deaths than Europe/US and so on? I'm thinking of SE Asia in particular.
At the start the WHO recommended face masks but our health experts and scientists pooh-poohed the idea. I'm starting to think that was more to prevent a severe shortage of masks for key workers than from any scientific basis. Yet we've all managed to make or obtain our own face coverings somehow. We could have done that at the start. Boris is now recommending wearing them. A bit late in the day >:(
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like so many we are fortunate in many ways....
we are retired so no job worries
we have reasonable pensions so no financial worries
we are mortgage free..
we live in a small village
we have a large garden
these are all +'s BUT
we are not able to have or stay with our daughter and family as they don't live nearby...zoom is great but id like to SEE my family...
we had one visit from them in the hot weather so we could all stay distanced outside - this isn't normal and I personally don't wish it to become the norm!
Our son lives in Australia ... when are we going to see them again...I'm not keen to get on a plane and fly that far and will they be able to get home for a visit..
Apart from visiting green grocers, butcher,bakers and once in a while a supermarket we've not been anywhere! Hairdressers for colour and cut... an expedition!
I have no desire to visit other shops at the moment . not going away so don't need new clothes and virtually everything else can be ordered online...
As to the wearing of masks it seems to be a very subjective situation... do we..don't we...they need to come down firmly on one side or the other then there would be no arguements as to what we should all do.
My heart goes out to all those people who have been furloughed not knowing whether theyre going to be able to get back to work.. in fact will more companies take this opportunity to close down?
I don't like this new normal.. booking everything, understandable.. but not to do thing spontaneously just takes the zest out of living..
Caroline
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Just the phrase itself -'The new normal' makes me feel a bit sick, I can hardly bear to think of something like this being considered normal in any way. I haven't been to any shops or anywhere else indoors since the start of the lockdown, I haven't been shielded but due to my asthma (not severe) I've not only stuck to the rules but also made my own choices about where to go and that doesn't include anywhere indoors.
As I live alone the social distancing at for instance a cafe would not only mean being at a distance from other tables but also from my companion. Not conducive to a decent conversation. Pubs with no music, no social interaction, having to use public toilets .... no thanks. I used to decide if I wanted to go to the gym on the day, and in fact half an hour before, wouldn't be able to do that now, you have to make an appointment. That is also one place where I think face masks should be obligatory but there's been no mention so far of that being a requirement. Shopping for clothes etc has always been on impulse for me, I could still do that but it sounds to me like a pretty joyless experience. Not sure what is going to happen with my art class when it's due to start again in September, if we're in the same situation then the classes would have to be smaller and the fact that the teacher would have to stay at a distance from the students would entirely change the experience.
The whole thing makes me shudder.
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like so many we are fortunate in many ways....
As to the wearing of masks it seems to be a very subjective situation... do we..don't we...they need to come down firmly on one side or the other then there would be no arguements as to what we should all do.
My heart goes out to all those people who have been furloughed
Caroline
I whole heartedly agree about the workplace situation, which more or less affects the majority of work age citizens.
My view on the wearing of masks is that anyone who knows there is a killer virus out there but doesn't use the brains they were born with, but needs to be
told to wear a face covering in crowded places, or
ordered to wear a face covering in crowded places, or
legally bound to wear a face covering
by any government is minus several grey matter cells - and that includes my sons :-[
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By nature, I'm not a gregarious person and am quite happy in my own company.
However, even I don't care for this new normal. I agree - people walking around with their faces covered and shop assistants trying to make themselves heard through two or three plastic screens do not exactly fill me with joy. Any chit chat is more or less verboten.
What has really brought me down is the lack of Wimbledon. I am a tennis afficionado. I love my tennis and went to Wimbledon most years between about 1969 and the late 90s. I've watched it on the tellie every year since I was a teenager (1960s) and never missed a year - until now! I got Amazon prime specifically to watch the rest of the tennis year's events. The next is supposed to be the US Open starting late August but, as things stand, I can't see that going ahead, even without spectators.
I thought I was okay with it until I watched a few of the 'golden oldies' progs on tv and realised they were making me feel very depressed. I don't much care for watching old matches when you know the outcome anyway but the whole sitting around talking about past matches with the same old faces (Henman, Becker, McEnroe) just filled me with despair - so I had to stop watching. Sorry, Sue Barker!
I think we have to try getting back to true normal and see what happens. The spike in Leicester has been pretty much proved to be due to unregulated sweatshops. Even there, apparently the 'powers that be' have known about these for years but have done nothing to regulate them. Probably another example of them being frightened of being branded as racists.
Its got to the point where we don't know from one day to the next what the so called rules are: they change so often. As for Scotland, I think your leader just wants to be seen to be doing something different to Westminster in order to justify her existence.
I'm as bad as anyone: dangerous age and some health concerns have made me nervous of e.g. public transport but I'm no longer fixated by this virus. I think it has been vastly overplayed with the media (and especially the BBC) being the prime culprits. Yes, it killed a lot of people: so does the flu every year - and what happened in care homes is scandalous and should be something the so called Supreme Court gets their heads around rather than scoring goals over the proroguing of parliament. It won't, of course. The same as no one will do diddly squat about the Leicester sweatshops, so we might as well all just gird up our loins (!) and just live our lives as we see fit.
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Has anyone bought clothes since shops have re-opened? How are they managing the trying on - fine if you decided to buy it, but what about the usual habit of taking different sizes and styles into the changing room, have they stopped that?
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The changing rooms are closed Jan, if you buy, then return the items they are quarantined for 72 hours.
Carol
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The changing rooms are closed Jan, if you buy, then return the items they are quarantined for 72 hours.
Carol
Think I'll stick to buying on line at least for the moment then. I certainly don't fancy two trips to the shop.
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I must admit I've not even considered the necessity of buying new clothes for the past few months. I've been v happy slobbing around in trackie bottoms and tee shirts plus a fleece on chilly days. I've been without shoes for so long that my feet have become trotters. I fear I've gone feral, there is no hope for me. Is this the new normal? I rather like it.
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For myself and Mr. Cat the new normal is just about the same as the old normal.
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I must admit I've not even considered the necessity of buying new clothes for the past few months. I've been v happy slobbing around in trackie bottoms and tee shirts plus a fleece on chilly days. I've been without shoes for so long that my feet have become trotters. I fear I've gone feral, there is no hope for me. Is this the new normal? I rather like it.
Oh I totally agree with this. Any clothes I have needed (not many - just socks) I've bought with my weekly shopping in the supermarket. I did treat myself to a new t-shirt in the same supermarket but I know their sizes fit me.
I had to put a pair of 'real' shoes on the other day. It just didn't seem right. I have been wearing slippers indoors, crocs in the garden and trainers for our walks and supermarket shopping. Real shoes just didn't seem right.
I have to admit I've enjoyed lockdown but this limbo we are in at the moment is not so good. I still feel as if we are in lockdown because all we're doing is essential shopping, picking up prescriptions and a daily walk around our village.
Rishile
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In all honesty I was fine for the first couple of months. I'm a homebody at heart so other than not seeing my son I didn't find it too hard. I still went to my Dad's every day as he has care needs, but beyond that I was happy at home.
As the weeks and months have gone on though I've become more and more restless, and craved for the return of normal life. As soon as things started to reopen I've been out there doing as much as possible. The shops aren't as joyless as I'd feared (new shoes and a handbag yesterday!) but if face masks become compulsory then I think they'll struggle. I've worn one a few times but absolutely hate them - I can't breathe, my glasses steam, and as conversation is virtually impossible it creates an eerie, silent world that feels completely alien, and not somewhere I want to live.
The pub also isn't too bad - I've been twice and haven't had to pre-book, and as I prefer to sit outside anyway, it still feels normal. Dad has really struggled with the isolation so hubby took him to the social club when it reopened, and both said that the committee has worked very hard to create a safe but seemingly normal atmosphere, minus the usual entertainment.
My sister has booked two holidays already - one next week and the other in August, although that's definitely a step too far for me just yet.
One positive thing from the whole lockdown though is that it's firmly reinforced the importance of doing things while you can, and hang the expense!
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Jomot, Rather weirdly in Scotland the compulsory wearing of masks seems to have increased the fear factor with many people, surely the opposite of what any responsible Government should want. The law in Scotland now requires children aged 5 and over to wear masks if they go into any shop. Given that children are not susceptible to Covid 19 I think that this is a particularly gross requirement imposed by the Scottish Government.
Speech is a problem with mask wearing and of course nobody smiles in shops now, or at least if they do you cannot tell. What a joyless existence the politicians have created for us.
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The fear factor with compulsory masks is understandable, because they were not needed before but are now suggests that it is no longer safe to go out. Both Boris and Nicola are sending mixed messages to the people.
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Jomot, Rather weirdly in Scotland the compulsory wearing of masks seems to have increased the fear factor with many people, surely the opposite of what any responsible Government should want. The law in Scotland now requires children aged 5 and over to wear masks if they go into any shop. Given that children are not susceptible to Covid 19 I think that this is a particularly gross requirement imposed by the Scottish Government.
Speech is a problem with mask wearing and of course nobody smiles in shops now, or at least if they do you cannot tell. What a joyless existence the politicians have created for us.
I have had the opposite problem, on Friday night I had a woman hanging over me, too close for polite interaction with a stranger in non covid times never mind now. when I gave her a look she told me to relax I had a mask on.
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The mask issue is definitely a problem, as some people seem to think they provide greater protection than they actually do, whilst for others they raise anxiety levels. I detest wearing them for the reasons already mentioned, and would simply retreat indoors again if they became compulsory in any additional settings.
Few people were wearing them when I was out shopping, and those that did seemed to be constantly pulling them up & down or otherwise fiddling with them, whilst others only had their mouths covered - all of which would seem to defeat the objective. I also observed that, bizarrely, those wearing masks had a greater tendency to walk straight past the hand sanitisers.
The latest estimates are that approx 1 in every 3,900 people is now infected, so to introduce compulsory mask wearing some weeks after the easing measures would, I feel, increase people's concerns about safety rather than provide any reassurances to those who are already uncomfortable about the level of easing.
It's a difficult balance, as what A may be happy with can feel too risky for B, and what B is comfortable with may feel unbearable for A. Ultimately I think they'll have to go for whichever increases footfall.
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I felt quite claustrophobic when I first started wearing a mask but have now adapted to using this with ease. It didn't happen straightaway though it took time to get used to.
I have found that it is no good running for a bus with one on, though. I did that once and getting out of breath with my mask on made me feel like I was getting smothered with a pillow.
Last week I had my first trip to the hairdressers since lockdown and I followed the rules about wearing a mask. However, when my hair was cut it dropped inside my mask and breathing normally I blew this up into my eyes. Thereafter I held the mask firmly on my face.
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The mask issue is definitely a problem, as some people seem to think they provide greater protection than they actually do, whilst for others they raise anxiety levels. I detest wearing them for the reasons already mentioned, and would simply retreat indoors again if they became compulsory in any additional settings.
Few people were wearing them when I was out shopping, and those that did seemed to be constantly pulling them up & down or otherwise fiddling with them, whilst others only had their mouths covered - all of which would seem to defeat the objective. I also observed that, bizarrely, those wearing masks had a greater tendency to walk straight past the hand sanitisers.
The latest estimates are that approx 1 in every 3,900 people is now infected, so to introduce compulsory mask wearing some weeks after the easing measures would, I feel, increase people's concerns about safety rather than provide any reassurances to those who are already uncomfortable about the level of easing.
It's a difficult balance, as what A may be happy with can feel too risky for B, and what B is comfortable with may feel unbearable for A. Ultimately I think they'll have to go for whichever increases footfall.
I feel significantly more unsafe when surrounded by people not wearing masks or not wearing them properly. That coupled with people ignore then sanitising stations available and seeing/hearing people object to handwashing etc has led me to feel that I may never get back to going out and about again.
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I have heard them referred to as 'face nappies'!!!
Sort of sums up how the government treat us like little children, doesn't it? I'd grudgingly wear one if I actually thought there was any plan to it all but I'm afraid I've lost all faith in the edicts coming out of Downing Street. They seem to be too concentrated on their internecine war with the civil servants to come up with a coherent plan for the virus.
I read today that someone (sorry, can't remember his name) is trying to take a case to a judicial review of the 'unprecedented powers' used by the government 'on the pretext of Covid 19'. Needless to say, it has been refused!!
I think I mentioned that this would happen in an earlier post. Just call me Clair Voyant!!
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Wearing a mask is for the general good, think; What goes around, comes around.
Also consider, surgeons and nurses,wear masks when they operate on and treat you, otherwise I wonder what infections they might transmit to an open wound, or to someone who is ill, what if they decided that they did not like wearing them should be reason enough not to.
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I opened my window curtains this morning and saw a new bit of litter had been casually tossed over my garden wall.
It was one of those blue and white face masks - the ones where people who wear them keep having to push them up over their noses. I live nearly opposite the local watering hole and have been imagining various scenarios whereby the mask was dispensed with. For instance was a hen pecked hubby, given permission to have a chinwag with some mates on Saturday night on the condition he wore the face mask? Then as soon as he turned the corner of the street did he quickly remove it to show the world he was still an independent manly thinker before anyone saw him and surreptitiously pop it over my garden wall? :-)
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I also don't like it but I'll refuse forever that this is the "normal", it's not normal.
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I think my main issue with this is that I have done everything I am supposed to do to keep myself and my OH safe. We locked down and followed all the rules. We only went out for exercise, to the supermarket and chemist. We washed our hands when we go indoors and sanitized them when we were out after touching anything. Now we are out of lockdown we have not been to a pub, a protest march, a crowded beach or restaurant or even a coffee shop. We are still doing what we did in lockdown but there are so many more restrictions on us. We always keep 2m away from everyone we meet in the street or in supermarkets. If we talk to anyone for any length of time (more than good-morning) we stand over 2m away. We live in an area that has a very low death rate and I believe they were all in a local care home. If the virus has got even close to us I would be very surprised. But the restrictions are what is keeping me at home now - not the fear of the virus. I refuse to spend my money if I get no pleasure out of doing so.
Rishile
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My local Waitrose car park yesterday was littered with paper masks and blue plastic gloves. Presumably people had just discarded them as they got in their cars?
Don't people realize that the gloves in particular can be washed and reused?
And who do they think is going to pick up all of their litter?
Romilly:-(
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I refuse to spend my money if I get no pleasure out of doing so.
I fully understand that, but the consequences of not spending will be every bit as disastrous - if not more - than the virus itself. Following the introduction of compulsory face masks I will be moving my shopping trips to the local outdoor market, but will still be visiting pubs, restaurants etc, which feel much more like the 'old' normal, even with the restrictions.
Regardless of the reasons for them, I can't explain how depressed and despondent I feel at the prospect of only seeing muzzled faces, but I've given myself a kick up the backside and will try to make the most of the summer months when we can at least be outside without masks. I've had to block all thoughts of this continuing through the winter though, as I find myself sinking when I do.
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My local Waitrose car park yesterday was littered with paper masks and blue plastic gloves. Presumably people had just discarded them as they got in their cars?
Don't people realize that the gloves in particular can be washed and reused?
And who do they think is going to pick up all of their litter?
Romilly:-(
Perhaps supermarkets need to install bins beside the trolley parks, so that when you return the trolley you can discard your mask and gloves?
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Oh dear, more problems
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-contact-tracers-in-england-locked-out-of-accounts-12028196
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Ha well; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-53383387
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Oh dear, more problems
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-contact-tracers-in-england-locked-out-of-accounts-12028196
Some days when I hear about the latest efforts of these nincompoops I lose the will to live !
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NO! But we shall have to get used to it!I have just taken part in an economics webinar, asked the following question: If as I believe the economic system is fatally wounded where do we go next?
China? Response Consternation. Think it through, USA led by a dangerous sociopath, EU rejected by referendum. And we are well on the way to upsetting China too! Aguguably good reasons, but what can we do?
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NO! But we shall have to get used to it!I have just taken part in an economics webinar, asked the following question: If as I believe the economic system is fatally wounded where do we go next?
China? Response Consternation. Think it through, USA led by a dangerous sociopath, EU rejected by referendum. And we are well on the way to upsetting China too! Aguguably good reasons, but what can we do?
We can do what the British always do in a crisis. Make a cup of tea. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Rishile
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My local Waitrose car park yesterday was littered with paper masks and blue plastic gloves. Presumably people had just discarded them as they got in their cars?
Don't people realize that the gloves in particular can be washed and reused?
And who do they think is going to pick up all of their litter?
Romilly:-(
This was a topic on a lunchtime programme on Radio 4 yesterday (can't remember if it was "You & Yours " or "World at One"; I switched on in the middle of it). The main purpose of wearing a face covering is to protect other people. Discarding it carelessly, even throwing it in an open waste bin, is a risk to other people. The person interviewed said government guidelines should include proper disposal. He's in favour of members of the public wearing washable face coverings not disposables. Also said that gloves are unnecessary. He gave an estimate of potential increase in plastic waste from single-use masks & gloves + packaging + environmental impact of transporting the items, mostly from abroad.
The interview was about a report "The environmental dangers of employing single-use face masks as part of a COVID-19 exit strategy" from The Plastic Waste Hub which seems to be connected to University College London.
Some other news reports:
"Coronavirus PPE litter widespread, says Keep Wales Tidy" (This mentions that volunteer litter-pickers are understandably reluctant to pick them up.*)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk.wales-52907686
"Ministers declare new war on single-use plastics" Daily Telegraph 10th July
"The new plastic bottle? How to dispose of face masks in an environmentally safe way" Independent website 14th July
"Are face masks the new plastic pollution?" Daily Mail 8th July
*Friends and I do frequent voluntary litter collections in normal times but haven't done for months because of health concerns. I've also taken part in annual beach-cleans; scheduled one for this year was cancelled.
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My local Asda has a bin for masks and gloves, didn't notice any in the carpark.
People seems so scary now with masks on hoods up and glasses which go dark (like mine).
I lost weight during lockdown so I treated myself to some new jeans, trousers, bra and tights and bought my husband some "boxers". I also got some new baking trays and jugs, perhaps that will help the economy a little!!
rayard.
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NO! But we shall have to get used to it!I have just taken part in an economics webinar, asked the following question: If as I believe the economic system is fatally wounded where do we go next?
..... but what can we do?
Build Back Better?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_Back_Better
OECD Policy Responses to Coronavirus (COVID-19)
Building Back Better: A Sustainable, Resilient Recovery after COVID-19
www.oecd.org/coronavirus/policy-responses/building-back-better-a-sustainable-resilient-recovery-after-covid-19-52b869f5
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There are certainly bins in the Waitrose Car Park here too. I think it’s just a case of people not using them...
I agree about people looking scary with masks on rayard.
I’ve just been for a walk down the High Street here in Hertfordshire, and it was a bit like stepping into some futuristic episode of Dr Who!
Romilly.
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Maiden Stone: That was the one, now available on U Tube.
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And who do they think is going to pick up all of their litter?
As usual - somebody else!.
:)
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People seems so scary now with masks on hoods up and glasses which go dark (like mine).
Next thing is we'll be asked to wear name tags - as you say with masks, glasses that darken or sunglasses we won't recognise each other. We are all going to be walking past friends or relatives. ;D
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People seems so scary now with masks on hoods up and glasses which go dark (like mine).
I lost weight during lockdown
If, while out shopping, you meet someone you haven't seen since pre-lockdown, they won't recognise the svelte, masked person in new clothes.
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People seems so scary now with masks on hoods up and glasses which go dark (like mine).
Next thing is we'll be asked to wear name tags - as you say with masks, glasses that darken or sunglasses we won't recognise each other. We are all going to be walking past friends or relatives. ;D
Name tag with photo, or just a photo. How do bus-passes work now?
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People seems so scary now with masks on hoods up and glasses which go dark (like mine).
Next thing is we'll be asked to wear name tags - as you say with masks, glasses that darken or sunglasses we won't recognise each other. We are all going to be walking past friends or relatives. ;D
Name tag with photo, or just a photo. How do bus-passes work now?
Just thought, as we have to stay 2 metres apart, they will have to be large tags so you can see them clearly.
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After my experience yesterday with hearing aids, glasses and mask all supposedly fitting behind the ear my tag should say, I can hear or see or breathe, but never all three at once.
I don’t like the new normal, or at least I will not be doing much shopping ;D
Mike
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Seems that there's some good news coming out of Oxford.
Fingers crossed and all other bits and pieces that are attached :)
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I have a transparent shield so. Look more like a welder !
One good by thing is the thousands of people who've given up smoking .
Air is so much purer .
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Biotech discovery,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-53382843
Skoosh.
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A friend of mine said why not wear a visor face shield rather than a mask, but he's not a glasses wearer - It's hard enough seeing out of glasses with a mask on . If we wore visors, it'd be like looking through two surfaces at different gaps from our eyes!
I don't need any clothes i don't think , but we would sometimes go to one of our localish 'intu' shopping centres and eat there too. The prospect of having to go in there with mask on all the time and then book to eat - I just won't go there and that won't help the shops in these indoor centres, nor the food outlets.
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A friend of mine said why not wear a visor face shield rather than a mask, but he's not a glasses wearer - It's hard enough seeing out of glasses with a mask on . If we wore visors, it'd be like looking through two surfaces at different gaps from our eyes!
I don't need any clothes i don't think , but we would sometimes go to one of our localish 'intu' shopping centres and eat there too. The prospect of having to go in there with mask on all the time and then book to eat - I just won't go there and that won't help the shops in these indoor centres, nor the food outlets.
It is possible to see, it takes a bit of getting used to and you need to chose carefully. The first set of goggle we had at work were hard to see through as they kept moving on our heads but at work I sometimes have to wear my glasses, goggles and a face shield.
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The government believes that wearing a face covering will make people feel safer but in my case it is having the opposite effect. Since lockdown shopping has not been pleasant and with a mask will be less so, I have already cut back on where I do shop even though I had just started going back to them. Coffeee shops will be out as far as i am concerned. In my local Asda this morning I heard two members of staff talking and they cannot understand why they do not have to wear a mask if the customers must, they are after all in that environment for hours on end.
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I think masks and face coverings are going to take a lot of getting used to - both the wearing of them and seeing people in them. How much use they are going to be is another question. I was watching someone giving an interview wearing a mask and during a short time, he adjusted it twice and touched it about 3 times. Look at the example Boris Johnson set the other day - he took his mask off to talk, screwed it up and shoved it in his pocket. I presume he later took it out and put it on again. I suppose eventually it will become as natural as putting on a seat belt when you get in a car but not at the moment.
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It is surprising how few people are wearing masks in shops, I wear one in a shop but not outside, it is just getting used to it, I am not quite colour coordinated but I have a choice
My church has resumed some services, have to book in advance because of spacing , that suits me though, not allowed to linger inside the church, no communion wine offered but that suits me also, it was all very tastefully done, so not quite the norm but getting there. Whatever it takes to get back to normal I will do as far as I can
LM
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I suppose eventually it will become as natural as putting on a seat belt when you get in a car.
I sincerely hope not! There's absolutely nothing natural about the wearing of them, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing calls for them to be worn every winter during the normal flu season.
I've just ordered some hand-made ones from a local micro-business, but I'm already looking forward to the day I can burn them.
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I strikes me that the new normal is constant change.
In our "bubble" this morning, we were discussing the new regulations. Nobody knew what the distance requirement was supposed to be after the 24th. I went on line to the .gov.co.uk site - not a word that I could find.
But you are allowed to not wear a mask if the wearing would cause you distress. I will try my best not to be distressed.
Regards
Chas
(wearing a mask as I type - just to be on the safe side)
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But, if I walk into a shop minus mask, does someone have the right to tell me to 'do one'? Does a shopkeeper have the right to bar anyone they want from their premises?
If I then tell them that wearing a mask causes me distress (it does) will they believe me and then let me in? Or will I need a note from the doctor? This is the first I'd heard of this 'distress' factor. I thought it had to be on medical grounds which, in itself, covers an awful lot of scenarios.
As for the bubbles - sorry, totally lost! Today it might be 6 members of the family in one bubble but tomorrow it could be 10 friends in 2 bubbles etc etc.
I've given up trying to work it all out (not that I tried very hard in the first place because the whole thing, whilst I was out and about yesterday, made me suspect I was taking part in some kind of Heath Robinson photo shoot). I shall reluctantly don a mask to go on a bus (because otherwise I won't be allowed on) and to go into my GP's which I shall only do when absolutely necessary (because otherwise I won't be allowed in).
By the way, the 'new normal' on a bus is the driver shoos you away from the door (even wearing a mask) because you apparently have to give the people getting off about a square mile of distance, It is only once you have sat down that you notice all the notices plastered everywhere: re masks, 2 metres (out of date?) etc. It was only half way there that I also noticed a smiley yellow face plastered on the window next to me telling me I could sit there (too late, I already had!) and red crosses on the windows next to the seats directly in front and adjacent to me. I felt like a leper!! (sorry, if that's leper-ist).
It all felt as if I'd inadvertently stepped into a Monty Python sketch (but you wouldn't have known I was secretly smiling because my (by now, very sweaty) face was covered).
But, just to show, I was brought up right and know my manners, I still thanked the driver as I got off the bus!!
Please, please, please.. those clever people in Oxford and other places, come up with a vaccine soon before we all need psychotherapy or, in my case. a case of good pinot grigio ( a much more effective therapy).
Wake me when its all over.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own)
5. Exemptions to wearing a face covering where they are mandated
Bulletpoint number 3
Regards
Chas
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One good by thing is the thousands of people who've given up smoking .
Air is so much purer .
A request for people not to smoke in queues outside stores. Might be in Scottish Govt. document on Retail.
Also suggestion that customers sitting at outdoor cafe or pub tables don't smoke. Don't remember where I saw that.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own)
5. Exemptions to wearing a face covering where they are mandated
I noted age difference for children in England and Scotland. England - children under 11 exempt; Scotland - children under 5. I read U.S. public health guidelines - face coverings not recommended for children under 2.
People who can't wear face-coverings can carry a card explaining reason.
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There could at least be some ‘Non Smoking’ outside seating areas.
I certainly don’t want to be smoked over while I’m eating!
Romilly
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Biotech discovery,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-53382843
Skoosh.
:)
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Seems to me a time to ban smoking everywhere. I cannot see any useful purpose in the habit. Costs money and often the people who have the least money are those who partake in the habit.
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Banning alcohol outside the home seems a good idea, also cheap perfume and Diesel engines.
Mike
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Banning alcohol outside the home seems a good idea, also cheap perfume and Diesel engines.
Mike
Add aftershave on to that as well.