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Hi,
I'd be very grateful for any help. I know that Ann Hunt's Birth was registered in the 3rd Quarter of 1849 in Salford.
Please, is there anyone who could track down a baptism for her? (I think that her parents would be a John + Elizabeth Hunt).
(I know that she did not live very long, and suspect that one of the following might be her death:
1. Ann Hunt 4th Quarter 1849 Manchester aged 0
2. Ann Hunt 1850 Salford, no age stated
Thanks,
Kit
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The GRO index shows
HUNT, ANN Mothers maiden surname TIMMINGTON
GRO Reference: 1849 Sept Quarter in SALFORD Volume 20 Page 839
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Thanks very much for that Rosie, but I'm really keen to get her Baptism too.
Thanks for your kindness,
Kit
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Where have you looked. Have you located a burial
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If the marriage of the parents was a John Wellington Hunt and Elizabeth Timmington (shown as Trimmington on Lancs BMD) -- then it was a Registrar attended marriage - or at a Registry Office Marriage -- at Blackburn. Are they the correct parents? Did your John and Elizabeth have other children so that the maiden name can be verified?
This particular couple MAY have been RC as I cannot find a baptism for Ann in the Non-Conformist Manchester baptisms. If it was an RC baptism you may not find it on line.
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Have you tried Manchester & Lancashire Family History Society? www.mlfhs.org.uk It has indexed some RC. registers.
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I don’t see a death for Ann Hunt 1849 Salford
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Hi Rosie, Pennines and Maiden Stone,
Firstly, thanks for your kind replies!
Ann's parents are, (I think!), John Wellington Hunt and Elizabeth Trimmington. It's Elizabeth's surname that has stumped me for over 30 years!
I found it unusual that they got married in Blackburn RO; I have always thought that this is an indication that they were either non-conformists or atheists. Elizabeth's name on their MC is definately Trimmington, (as is her 1841 Census record in Blackburn).
I obtained the BC of their daughter Ellen (b in 1850 in Liverpool), over 30 years ago; it was a transcribed copy, and Elizabeth's maiden name was stated as TIVINGTON. I spent ages researching this to no avail. After contacting the Registrar at Liverpool, I was told that they couldn't really read it very well, as it was faded!
According to www.gro.gov.uk, Elizabeth's maiden name, for the Births for Ellen's sister Fanny and brother John is stated as Timmington. All 3 siblings have baptisms that are C of E.
Then last night, I stumbled upon Ann's Birth too, with the maiden name of Timmington, but I am not a member of A*stry etc., which is why I posted on Rootschat. (I have looked at family search and Lancashire Online Parish Clerk for this baptism and burial, but have had no luck).
NB Ann's Birth was registered in the Regent Road Sub District of Salford.
I'm really stumped with Elizabeth's maiden name; on Census records, her place of birth is given as Liverpool, Wigglesworth or Kilham! I've been pulling my hair out over this for 30 years, so if anyone has any suggestions, then please get in touch!
Thanks,
Kit
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Apologies to all and heywood!
You're quite right - I've typed it in wrongly! - it should be Ann Hunt Death 1850 Salford
Apologies again, Kit
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Kit -- do you have the marriage certificate for John and Elizabeth please?
I was just wondering what her father's name was -- which may help locate HER baptism and where it actually was.
(I realise you haven't asked for Elizabeth's baptism and that it's Ann's you are seeking - I was just wondering if her baptism may help you with Elizabeth's birth place.)
Ann's burial is not included in the Manchester burials on Ancestry - I have checked Non-conformist, Cathedral and C of E.
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Thanks very much for that Pennines - please, does the non-conformist records include catholics?
I've just had another look at John and Elizabeth's MC - she was a minor, and her father was
John Trimmington, Farmer. The writing is pretty awful, but I'm fairly sure it says Trimmington, not Timmington. I quite agree, I was wondering if Ann's bap or burial record might shed some light on Elizabeth.
Kit
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Not that this helps with Ann’s baptism or death - is this her father John Wellington Hunt age 52
burial 1872 Anfield Cemetery
Consecrated sec. 8 grave 1226
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/174926094
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Manchester cemeteries (Index free then credits)
Ann Hunt 0 yrs burial 4/10/1849
https://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/
She is in ‘Unknown’ Section 15 and is position number 70.
There is a discussion here about a similar burial
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=519590.0
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I thought that Ann's death was 1850 from a previous post?
That's a good find Ladyhawk! So he was buried back in Liverpool then.
I wonder if it was a family grave and baby Ann might be there? Mind you at that time - babies tended to be buried in an existing grave which had a small space available (that sounds awful I know - and didn't happen in all cases I hasten to add).
Kit --- only rarely do Non-Conformist records include Roman Catholics I'm afraid. It's most useful when they do. For instance the Non-Conformist Records do include a few years of RC records for St Albans RC Church at Blackburn at least.
The RC priests were most reluctant to relinquish their records in the early 19th century and before, because of the previous persecution of people with that faith.
I'm closing down now - so unless some super sleuth finds Elizabeth's baptism beforehand - I will have a hunt tomorrow!
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Thanks very much again for that Ladyhawk, heywood and Pennines.
In reply:
Yes, Ann's father, John W Hunt was the one buried in Liverpool in 1872, but baby Ann is not there, as I have checked previously. She is also not with the family on the 1851 Census in Liverpool.
Re the 4/10/1849 burial in Manchester Central Cemetery - please, would someone who died in Salford, be buried there? (The Ann Hunt Death in 2nd Q 1850 in Salford, was aged 18, so can be eliminated).
I have nothing to suggest that this family was RC.
Thanks for all your help,
Kit
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There is no death in Salford is there?
I think you would need to compare the birth/death certificates.
Where did the marriage take place? Was it the Registry Office?
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These people will locate John Wellington Hunt grave and tell you who is in with him
good luck
https://friendsofanfield.com/
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His wife is certainly with him.
Death
March 1895 West Derby 8b 274
Hunt, Elizabeth Ann
age 72
Buried at Anfield Cemetery, 15 Feb 1895, in that private grave with John, 8 / 1226
Image
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G96L-575D?i=221&cat=397178
Order Book
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9T1-23P?i=1241&cat=405576
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Going back to the marriage of Elizabeth & John, who were the witnesses.
Do you have Elizabeth on census prior to her marriage. Is she the Eliza Trimmington in King Street, Blackburn in 1841 (Not born in County)
HO107/502 bk2 f42 p25
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Is Titterington or similar any good? :-\
There is a John Titherington bap Long Preston, Yorks (which might be the parish for Wigglesworth),
13 June 1819, mother Ann.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J73L-8BX
Elizabeth Titterington bap not far away in Clapham, 27 Oct 1822, mother Ann.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYXD-TBF
Possibly could be John in 1871? Age 51, born Wigglesworth, living in Horwich, Lancs, piece 3927 folio 53 page 30
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD6T-WKJ
Sorry, best I can come up with.
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I see Jon has beat me to a posting, but I'm going ahead with this one anyway. (Jon I also looked for Timmingtons, Trimmingtons with father John - born Yorkshire - couldn't find an Elizabeth or any with the Timmington/Trimmington surname)
In 1861 on the census John W Hunt and Elizabeth have 3 children;
Ellen born about 1852
Fanny born about 1850
John born about 1854
Apparantly all born in Liverpool (which is also shown as Elizabeth's birth place)
There seems to be a baptism for John amongst the Liverpool Catholic baptisms on Ancestry - however there was a Fanny Hunt born in 1847 in the Holcombe District of Bury - baptised C of E.
In 1851 Fanny is 3, born Holcombe - Ellen is 4 months born Liverpool - and Elizabeth the mother is 27, born Wigglesworth (Yorkshire as far as I know).
Hence there is contradictory evidence re ages and birth places - unless Fanny dies and another Fanny is born later.
The marriages of both Ellen and Fanny are amongst the Liverpool marriages on Ancestry in 1874 and 1873 respectively.
I cannot find a baptism for Elizabeth the mother though, at the moment.
It's only 11.00am in the morning and I am already confused - doesn't bode well for the rest of the day!
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There seems to be a baptism for John amongst the Liverpool Catholic baptisms on Ancestry - however there was a Fanny Hunt born in 1847 in the Holcombe District of Bury - baptised C of E.
In 1851 Fanny is 3, born Holcombe - Ellen is 4 months born Liverpool - and Elizabeth the mother is 27, born Wigglesworth (Yorkshire as far as I know).
Hence there is contradictory evidence re ages and birth places - unless Fanny dies and another Fanny is born later.
Baptism Emmanuel, Holcombe 17th Dec. 1847
Fanny HUNT daughter of John Wellington HUNT & Elizabeth
Born: 13th Dec. Abode: Holcombe Brook. Occupation: Police constable
(Lancashire Online Parish Clerks)
I wondered why they moved around, father's occupation explains it.
The nearest Catholic church was in Bury.
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I wondered why they moved around, father's occupation explains it.
The nearest Catholic church was in Bury.
In 1851 2176/ 843/55, John was a Traveller and in 1861 2716/29 /12 he was a Commercial Clerk.
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I thought they married in the Registry Office :-\
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Heywood -- it was John Wellington Hunt and Elizabeth 'Trimmington', the parents -- who married either at the Registry Office, or it was a Registrar attended marriage in Blackburn in 1846.
The 2 daughters Fanny and Ellen both married in a C of E Church in Liverpool.
We have slightly moved away from the original query of where daughter Ann was baptised! That's because we can't find a baptism - nor can we find a baptism for her mother, Elizabeth Timmington/Trimmington. Also John Wellington Hunt, Elizabeth's husband was born Ireland.
Initially - as we couldn't find a baptism for Ann -- I had wondered if the family may have been RC.
A John Hunt was born in Q/E March with mother's maiden name Timmington -- he appears to have been baptised in 1854 at St Anthony's RC Church in Liverpool (if it's the correct John Hunt).
Hence if the family are, or were, RC -- we may not find a baptism for Ann. (Or indeed Elizabeth the mother).
Sorry if you knew all this - I was just refreshing the ground covered!
I, for one am stuck!
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Yes, Pennines, I was referring to the parents and Kit mentioned that all 3 siblings were baptised CoE.
I wondered why Maiden Stone mentioned the Catholic Church in Bury.
It’s all a bit of a mix up ;)
I thought John’s information would be worth looking at.
Is Titterington or similar any good? :-\
There is a John Titherington bap Long Preston, Yorks (which might be the parish for Wigglesworth),
13 June 1819, mother Ann.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J73L-8BX
Elizabeth Titterington bap not far away in Clapham, 27 Oct 1822, mother Ann.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYXD-TBF
Possibly could be John in 1871? Age 51, born Wigglesworth, living in Horwich, Lancs, piece 3927 folio 53 page 30
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD6T-WKJ
Sorry, best I can come up with.
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Thank you all for your very kind replies.
I will try to answer all of the points raised:
1. John W Hunt and Elizabeth Trimmington were married at Blackburn RO; Wits were: James Read + Thomas Parker - Because it's a RO, I cannot see other marriages about the same time, so I haven't a clue who these Wits were.
2. I've done a search, (on www.gro.gov.uk), for all deaths for Ann Hunt between 3rd Q 1849 and the 1851 Census; the only one in the approximate right location was:
Ann Hunt Death 4th Q 1849 Manchester, aged 0; (none in Salford)
I've also looked very quickly at the cemeteries in Salford, and as far as I can see, there were none open at this time. Ann's birth was registered with the Salford, Regent Road Sub-District Registrar's; this general area is reasonably close to Manchester General Cemetery, so I think it's a good chance that the 4/10/1849 burial is the right one for her.
3. I know from previous research, that Ann was not buried with her parents in Liverpool
4. You have done a wonderful job and have got most of the data that I have on this family, but I don't think that John + Elizabeth's son John was the one baptised in St Anthony's, (RC), as I have his baptism already, and it was C of E.
5. I was interested to see the two Titherington's baptisms in Long Peston and Clapham. But on her MC in Blackburn in 1846, Elizabeth is described as being a Minor, which would not be the case if she was the Elizabeth Titherington bap on 27/10/1822. What do you think?
6. As you can see from the Census records, the year of births are very inconsistent and I have never known of anyone who has put down 3 different places of birth! (Admittedly, Liverpool was the default answer). I just cannot get to grips with Elizabeth, despite her having a fairly rare surname - I have looked on www.gro.gov.uk for any Trimmington Deaths from 1837 onwards, and I cannot find one, up until about 1863! At the moment I'm looking at Timmington Deaths.
Again, if anyone can come up with any ideas as to how to track her down, then please let me know.
Thank you once more for all your tremendous help, which I really have appreciated,
Kit
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But on her MC in Blackburn in 1846, Elizabeth is described as being a Minor, which would not be the case if she was the Elizabeth Titherington bap on 27/10/1822. What do you think?
Hi
It certainly seems to knock the idea on the head!
Hope someone can think of something else to help find your Elizabeth.
John
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Hi John,
Thanks for your reply - I agree!
Regards,
Kit