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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: bethanyyd96 on Monday 13 July 20 22:06 BST (UK)
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I need help finding siblings Thomas John B[rown?] and Emma Maud Fountain Chittleburgh.
Their parents were William George Chittleburgh, 1858-1908, and Elizabeth Sarah Brown, 1861-1909. They married 14 Aug 1880.
There is some debate over Thomas' name. 1881 census has his name as Thomas John B Chittleburgh but in 1891 his name is John J B Chittleburgh. Thomas was born c. 1879 in Great Yarmouth so may have been born before parents' marriage. The 'B' could stand for mother's maiden name. Haven't been able to find birth registration under Chittleburgh or Brown.
Emma Chittleburgh was born in 1898 Great Yarmouth. Only records I have for her are birth registration, 1901 and 1911 censuses. Can't find marriage or death record.
There could be a relation or connection to a Thomas Fountain who was a lodger of the Chittleburgh's, he was in both their 1901 and 1911 censuses.
Any help appreciated
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4 Chittleburgh births on freebmd - 3 in Yarmouth
Beatrice Maud 1876
George Frederick 1878
James 1879 (Norwich)
Florence E 1880
Have you checked GRO online to get mothers maiden name
If Thomas was still alive in 1939 - have you checked the 1939 register which will give his full birthdate
Can't see any death reg for him
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This baptism is intriguing
John James Brown
Birth 22 Mar 1879
Baptism 19 May 1879 Great Yarmouth
Mother: Elizabeth Sarah Myhill Brown
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That baptism does look interesting, although I've never come across the name Myhill before ???
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Yes I've checked the 1939 register for both Thomas and Emma but no sign of either
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Emma Chittleburgh aged 15 sailed from Liverpool 4.4.1913 for Halifax St John Canada aboard the Corsican.
EDIT
A lot of children in similar age group & younger - ?? Home Children
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CaroleW, the age seems to fit so it could be her. I wonder if she was alone?
There is also an 'Emma Chittleborgh' record on Ancestry for border crossings into the US from Canada that I can't look at, maybe that's her too?
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No other Chittleburgh's on voyage. Possibly part of the Home Children scheme - see my edit above
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Possibly because her parents died when she was very young and she was the youngest child? I don't quite understand the meaning of Home Children though
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See
www.rootschat.com/links/01ppr/
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Thanks for the link. Spent some time searching for Emma on the site and found that the surname was written as Littleburgh. I believe it's the one that you found CaroleW.
Is it possible she changed her name after reaching Canada?
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When Emma' birth was registered she was Emma Maud Fountain Chittleburgh 1898 Yarmouth
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Yes that's correct
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U S Records of Aliens pre examined in Canada 1919
Emma Chittleburgh age 21, height 5'4", Brown Hair, Blue Eyes
It's just a card from a file no destination lsited.
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It's more likely to have been a spelling error than a name change.
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CaroleW, sorry I should've clarified myself - I meant could she have changed her name after possibly being adopted into a family to their surname or even changed her first name, which is why I can't trace her?
Edit - sorry just checked amondg's comment, she hadn't changed her name in 1919
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This baptism is intriguing
John James Brown
Birth 22 Mar 1879
Baptism 19 May 1879 Great Yarmouth
Mother: Elizabeth Sarah Myhill Brown
Elizabeth Sarah is the daughter of John Myhill Brown & Sarah Ann Bowles. Elizabeth born 1861 Yarmouth. She had at least 3 siblings with a second christian name as Myhill.
John
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Thank you John - this must be my Elizabeth Sarah. I double checked her birth registration and mmn BOWLES, Q1 1862 Yarmouth. According to the baptism I have, her birth date is 25 Dec 1861, parents John and Sarah.
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Believe he used the name John Chittleburgh in later life. Not sure if he ever married a ****** Hart, but may have had a son John Chittleburgh in JQ1926 Pembroke 11a 2311 mmn Hart. He married in 1948 to Eliza A Owens MQ Haverfordwest 8c 896 and died aged 82 in MQ 1961 Haverfordwest 8c 428.
Elizabeth Ann Chittleburgh died DQ 1971 Haverfordwest 8c 1599-her dob 31.1.1887.
John
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Thank you for the extra info John
Now just to find out what happened to his sister Emma
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There's an Eliza with him in 1929 on electoral registers
The John in Pembs has a dob one day different from the John James baptism I posted earlier
Just to noted there have been Chittleburghs in the same village since at least 1916, from newspapers, and following back from there, I can find a trace in 1913
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Hi, all the below would need to be confirmed by certificates but could be your John.
First marriage to Mary Elizabeth Davies JQ 1910 Pembroke 11a 1794. There is a transcription error as Mary Elizabeth appears on ref JQ 1910 Pembroke 11a 1704
Mary can be found on 1911 census as married with two sisters, and has been married for less than one year. John, being a "fisherman" is probably out at sea.
They then have 3 daughters who sadly all die in infancy. Elma 1913-1913, Alice Elizabeth 1916-1916 & Dora 1916-17. Gets worse I'm afraid. Mary Elizabeth his wife dies aged 30 in 1916 (probably from childbirth complications with Dora in 1916)
John is then on Pembrokeshire Electoral registers from 1929-1960 onwards living with Eliza/Elizabeth whom he marries in 1948. His son John born 1926. Cannot work out at present why mmn is Hart. John junior goes on to marry Audrey F V Evans in 1945 & 5 children are born to them. They can all be found on freebmd. John senior dies 1961 and John junior in 1996. I will continue to try and find out where the mmn is Hart comes from.
Possibly Eliza Ann HART MQ 1888 Pembroke 11a 998, hence John's juniors mmn.
John
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They then have 3 daughters who sadly all die in infancy. Elma 1913-1913, Alice Elizabeth 1916-1916 & Dora 1916-17. Gets worse I'm afraid. Mary Elizabeth his wife dies aged 30 in 1916 (probably from childbirth complications with Dora in 1916)
More children to report (and it's all sad, sorry)
Mary E Chittleburgh - b & d 1914
Alice E's birth & death was registered Q1 1916, whilst Dora was b Q4 1916
This is important to differentiate as Dora looks to have been one of triplets. I can't find birth or deaths for the other two, so suspect they didn't survive long and weren't registered as living
See https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4102618/4102620/67/Chittleburgh
The Cambria Daily Leader 23rd November 1916
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I agree it's very sad indeed. Thanks for the link Mabel
I wonder if the recreation ground was made?
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See attached link re Emma on Canada board.
John
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