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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: Mobo on Tuesday 14 July 20 12:54 BST (UK)
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Trying to find the parents of William Vaughan b.c.1860 in Hope, Flintshire and the parents of his wife, Sarah Frances Metcalfe b.c. 1863 in Gresford, Wrexham. Can anyone help please ? ::) ::) ::) ::)
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From GRO index
METCALFE, SARAH FRANCES MMN DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1863 March Quarter in WREXHAM Volume 11B Page 310
ADDED Baptism at Gresford on 22 Feb 1863
Father Thomas
Mother Isabella
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FreeREG has Hope Baptisms, nothing there c 1858-1862 for William.
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Looks to be William 1861 Census;
Hope, Flintshire
Griffith Jones 40 Head Mar Ag Lab
Sarah Jones 49 Wife Mar
Jane Vaughan 22 Step-Daug Unm
William Vaughan 2 Grandson
All born Hope
Jane likely married John HUGHES 17 Aug 1863 Hope, age 24/25 (FreeREG)
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Cant find them in 1871 so far but this appears to be 1881;
In Gresford, Denbighshire;
Jno. Hughes 41
Jane Hughes 39 born Hope**
John Hughes 18
Griffith Hughes 15
Edwd. Hughes 9
William is not there***
HUGHES, GRIFFITH mmn VAUGHAN
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in WREXHAM Volume 11B Page 304
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Marriage Reg March 1844 Gt. Boughton 19 46
Sarah VAUGHN and Griffith JONES on same page
I may be on the right track but cant find them 1871 ::)
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Thank you so much rosie and trish for all your hardwork - with only about 30 Welsh surnames to go at, it's an absolute nightmare trying to find people..... LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hope Parish baptism register has:
17 Oct 1858; William; mother Emma (no father stated); Caergwrle
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Welsh research is not my area of expertise and yes some surnames are a nightmare to research :) ;D
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Hope Parish baptism register has:
17 Oct 1858; William; mother Emma (no father stated); Caergwrle
Sorry, should have said: mother Emma Vaughan
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Found the 1871 now, William under Jones ::)
1871 Census
Hope
Sarah Jones 57
William Jones 12 Grandson born Hope
Trish :)
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When William married his second Wife he named his Father as JOHN. I think this is made up .
08 Nov 1903
Event Place:
St Peter, Birkenhead
William VAUGHAN, Father JOHN
Lucy HOPE, Father JOHN
JANE Vaughan bapt 22 Jul 1838 Hope (no parents named but its on FindMyPast)
May be her Birth Reg;
VAUGHAN, - - no mothers maiden name
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in WREXHAM Volume 27 Page 232
So looks to me Sarah had at least 2 illeg children as she appears to be this Bapt
SARAH Vaughan bapt 31 Jul 1814 Hope (as above on FindMyPast)
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As Sarahs Marriage was reg Great Broughton this looks to be her in Cheshire 1841;
Mary Booley 60 Independant
Sarah Vaughan 25 Servant not born in County***
Ann Read 55
Hugh Jones 45
Children may be with her Parents ???
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Hi pb_devon.
Do you have access to those 2 Baptisms I found on F/S that are on FindMyPast?
Trish :)
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Hi pb_devon.
Do you have access to those 2 Baptisms I found on F/S that are on FindMyPast?
Trish :)
Here’s one:
“JANE Vaughan bapt 22 Jul 1838 Hope (no parents named but its on FindMyPast)”
Parents:
Sarah Vaughan and Thomas Williams, Labourer Caergwrle
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Thank you but it gets more and more confusing :)
I might give up on this for tonight!
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And the other:
“Baptism at Gresford on 22 Feb 1863
Father Thomas
Mother Isabella“
The only thing to add is Labourer of Gresford for Thomas. Also uncertain that there’s an ‘e’ on the surname.
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Thank you but it gets more and more confusing :)
I might give up on this for tonight!
Indeed!
My own notes on family in this area are littered with ‘could be, or.......”.
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:) ;D
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Well folks... my head's absolutely spinning from all this info.. After the birth of William VAUGHAN around 1860 in Hope, Flintshire, I don't feel I can confidently place him with the right family, so think I'll have to stop there. It's sad really, because the research was intended as a surprise birthday present for a friend of mine, but I'll just have to give her what I've actually found. In the meantime, many thanks for all your great help.... :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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I now have the Marriage Certificate for William VAUGHAN and Sarah Frances METCALFE which took place in Gresford Parish church on 11 June 1853. He is 26, a Batchelor & Railway Servant, living in Birkenhead, and his father is John VAUGHAN, a Labourer. She is age 22, a Spinster living in Gresford and her father is Thomas METCALFE, a Gardener. The witnesses are John HUGHES & Emma METCALFE, and the HUGHES name could be a clue there ? But who knows with most Welsh names appearing so many times in the same place .........Grrrrr
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Looks very likely that he was stepson of John Hughes
I think children of single mums often combined their birth father and step parents name .
Ive spent days looking for a father named on marriage certificate only to get birth record which shows a single mum .
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I totally agree with brigidmac .
As posted earlier;
Looks to be William 1861 Census;
Hope, Flintshire
Griffith Jones 40 Head Mar Ag Lab
Sarah Jones 49 Wife Mar
Jane Vaughan 22 Step-Daug Unm
William Vaughan 2 Grandson
All born Hope
Jane likely married John HUGHES 17 Aug 1863 Hope, age 24/25 (FreeREG)
So his stepfather was a witness at the 1853 Marrriage.
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Really sorry folks - I should have said "I now have the Marriage Certificate for William VAUGHAN and Sarah Frances METCALFE which took place in Gresford Parish church on 11 June 1885". Just put it down to the hot weather and a bout of Labrynthitis. ::) ::) ::) Also, the only birth for a Jane VAUGHAN around 1839 was one in Wrexham in 1840 with mother's maiden name HUGHES ! So here we go again, with more Hughes's to muddy the waters. (Sigh)
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William Vaughan is the illegitimate child of Jane Vaughan who was in turn the illegitimate child of Sarah Vaughan and Thomas Williams.
Jane Vaughan did marry John Hughes four years after William's birth in 1863.
Sarah Vaughan, grandmother of William was born 1814 to William & Mary Vaughan.
William Vaughan was born circa 1789 and was a grit carrier at the time of her baptism soon to be a sand carrier, later a sand merchant. In the 1861 census he is a pauper sand merchant. He lived in Hope/Caergwrle all of his life but his eldest son moved down into Llandingad, Carmarthenshire.
He had another son named John but he died aged 5.
Sarah's cousin John Vaughan is the legendary "Sand Merchant of Caergwrle".
William's father is named John Vaughan but it's uncertain whether this is an alias or not. At the time of his birth he is known as John Vaughan of Caegrwley, Labourer.
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Most intriguing DV and thank you ! But how on earth did you dig out all this information. :o :o :o
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Welcome to Rootschat DV_Staffs.
Its good to see that we were on the right track with info re William/Jane/Sarah Vaughan etc.
Trish :)
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I'm a Vaughan, my part of that family moved into Machynlleth after a bit of a riot in 1869.
We then became notorious there and to quote we were "a disgrace to the town and the neighbourhood".
My great great grandfather left Machynlleth in about 1882 to work as a bricklayer in the Potteries, Staffordshire and we've never left 140 years later.
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Also welcome DV_Staffs.
My wife is a descendant of the ‘legendary sand merchant of Caergwrle’, for whom we have a lot of info. When I have a moment I can share this with you. A bit busy summer grandchildren minding right now!