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Hello all,
Some help needed here if you can, this is want I Know Norman Hughes born 1923 Oldham Lancashire and is no longer living, now I Know he had a brother older Clifford Hughes born about 1920-1922, again Oldham Lancashire. Now these facts become I bit unclear Clifford Hughes and Norman’s Hughes father was called Clifford, I have no details of their mother, now the next bit is that Older Clifford father is a William Radcliffe Andrews ?? It may be that it is something that Clifford senior came from Doctor Bernardo’s or did the father ?
I just don’t know.
Any help would be very much appreciated.
Thank you
Dan Tay
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Lancashire BMD http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ of Free BMD will give you mother's name.
1920 Clifford Hughes - mother’s name Andrew
1923 Norman Hughes - mother’s name Andrews
Marriage - same site
1920 Clifford Hughes and Ellen Andrew married at Registry Office or Registrar attended.
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We aren’t allowed to post details from 1939 register but there is a Clifford and Ellen.
Luckily there are only a couple of records for that name and place so this seems be Clifford snr. from Lancashire BMD.
Clifford Hughes b 1900 mother Ashworth.
1901 census - Clifford 1 yr with mother Sarah and siblings
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9LC-TGV
Likely marriage Lancashire BMD
Thomas Hughes and Sarah Ashworth
You could do a similar search for a Ellen. That would seem to be the Andrew/s connection.
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There is this entry for 1901 3325/39/6
Sale, Cheshire
William Radcliffe Andrew 48 yrs b Middleton
Elizabeth Andrew 42 Yrs b Manchester
Herbert Andrew 8 yrs. -do-
Clifford Andrew 2 yrs -do-
In 1911, the family are living in Blackley, Manchester
Where do you get the information re William Radcliffe?
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Hi all,
Thank you very for your replies, on regards to where I got the information on William Radcliffe Andrews it was through talking and a family remember an Andrews correction. But wasn’t certain why, apart from knew father, maybe an Andrews link.
Many Thanks for your help
Regards Dan Tay
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Hi all,
I have already said thank you for your replies to this post, but I would like some further advice please.
I have tried to find the birth for Clifford Andrew born about 1899, in Sale Cheshire. But no success.
I can find a birth for Clifford Hughes in east Oldham 1901. ( Ashworth mother)
How would I know which to Order ?
Also the Andrews link I was told about Clifford Andrews/ Hughes from family information pass down. But in seems they knew about it but that’s it !!
So my question is William Radcliffe Andrews, why did he have Clifford Hughes/ Andrews was Clifford Hughes Originally from Doctor Barnardo’s and William Radcliffe Andrews & Elizabeth adopts him? At a very young age ? Can you get this information from Doctor Barnardo’s ?
Then this ask the question, on the later link of Clifford Hughes marriage to Ellen Andrews and is this the Andrews link or strange connivance !
Any further thoughts and help would be very much appreciated, especially get advice of what Certificate to order.
Thanks Dan Tay.
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think this is Clifford Andrew's birth
ANDREW, ALBERT CLIFFORD
mmn BULMER
Q1 1899 PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 475
William Radcliffe Andrew married Ellizabeth Bulmer in Manchester in 1877. There's also an entry for Herbert with same mother's maiden name, and for the sons listed with them on the 1891 census
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You would be best to start with the marriage of Clifford Hughes and Ellen Andrew
1920 March quarter Oldham vol 8d pg 1214
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Check Clifford’s father’s name and occupation. Maybe even the witness names might help.
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In 1911, Clifford Hughes is still living with mother Sarah. He is 11 yrs old.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW1Y-BM4
1911 Clifford Andrew with parents
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW1X-VSD
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If ordering a birth cert, I would be going for Clifford Hughes b 1900 Oldham. it fits much more with what you know, and working backwards
I think the Andrew family on Cheshire is a red herring - the Andrew connection is far more likely to be to Clifford snr's wife
Life I think must have been hard. Sarah Hughes (nee Ashworth) never seems to be with her husband. It may be a complete coincidence but there's a Thomas Hughes b Oldham, who is a very similar age to Sarah, on the 1901 census in Dartmoor prison
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Sarah’s husband was Thomas so that fits with Louisa’s information.
I agree also re that birth certificate.
It is odd though re the Andrew surname given by the relatives. It is so specific. Unless someone has searched and found that name and assumed it was correct?
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Thomas Hughes in 1901 2118/83/10 Is a convict but is recorded as single.
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There are WW1 Army records for Clifford Hughes and Harold Hughes both of 98 Moorhey Street Oldham with mother Sarah as next of kin. In 1901, the family are at 103 Moorhey Street.
Clifford enlisted into the Lancashire Rifles in 1915 but was discharged because of ‘having made mistatement as to age’ he said he was 19yrs.
Clifford died in 1958 and administration was granted to Ellen. The address was 27 Wren Street so stayed in the same area.
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Hi all,
Thank you for your help, yes I agree it is best to go for Clifford and Ellen’s Marriage Certificate.
It is interesting the Dartmoor Prision as in an old photo album we have a photo of this prision from distance and always wonder why we had that ! I just thought they took because they were on holiday in the area.
Any way,
Thank you for your support.
Dan Tay.