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General => The Stay Safe Board => Topic started by: LizzieL on Saturday 18 July 20 12:04 BST (UK)
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Say both the Telegraph and the Express - so it must be true
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-53453086
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Read about this and saw it on the telly. My question is "What is normal ?"
A lot will depend on whether or not there are any major outbreaks of the virus between now and then.
It would be wonderful if we could have Christmas with our family without any Social Distancing.
Dorrie
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Listening to the news, the Government's Advisors are saying it needs to be made clear that it will only happen if people are sensible and follow the rules, so hopefully avoiding new outbreaks in the Autumn.
I think it's a very dangerous statement to say we'll be back to normal by then, of course everyone hopes that will be the case, but no one knows for sure. If the worst happens, people are going to be very reluctant to go back into lockdown, having been promised freedom. I think a cautious approach needs to be taken.
They have now paused issuing daily death figures as they think they have been calculated incorrectly!
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Yesterday Boris said that we would plan for the worst, but hope for the best.
His best case scenario was almost back to normal by November, and hopefully by Christmas.
I think that is what the papers have picked up on. Plenty of people have doubts about that, but we are allowed in each other's houses already. Christmas could work out ok, even with social distancing. Not quite the same, but then, nothing is.
Regards Margaret
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The papers print what people want to see because that's what sells paper. "Best case scenario" and Caution" are buried in the small print.
Like all the other dates for phases of lockdown easing, so many people see these dates as written in stone. Not targets with conditions attached.
Numbers of new cases seem to be creeping up again - unless that is another change in the way things are counted in the last four days.
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Numbers of new cases seem to be creeping up again - unless that is another change in the way things are counted in the last four days.
Apparently we have been counting deaths incorrectly in England! According to one report anyone who has ever tested positive and later dies, has Covid put on their certificate so, “It turns out you could have been tested positive in February, recovered, then get hit by a bus in July and you’d be recorded as a covid death.” The other 3 countries of the UK only put it if a death occurs within 28 days, which makes far more sense.
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Numbers of new cases seem to be creeping up again - unless that is another change in the way things are counted in the last four days.
Apparently we have been counting deaths incorrectly in England! According to one report anyone who has ever tested positive and later dies, has Covid put on their certificate so, “It turns out you could have been tested positive in February, recovered, then get hit by a bus in July and you’d be recorded as a covid death.” The other 3 countries of the UK only put it if a death occurs within 28 days, which makes far more sense.
I understand that with deaths. But I was talking about confirmed new cases
14th July 398
15th July 538
16th July 641
17th July 687
The commonly quoted R number for UK is 0.7 - 0.9, but it's largely Scotland holding it down. Two regions in England ( London and the South West) have a range which takes it over 1.
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Pigs might fly. I live in Menorca, where we had no confirmed cases for around 6 weeks. The island was opened to tourists at the beginning of July & suddenly we have several new cases in the hospital here & others in isolation at home.
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Numbers of new cases seem to be creeping up again - unless that is another change in the way things are counted in the last four days.
Apparently we have been counting deaths incorrectly in England! According to one report anyone who has ever tested positive and later dies, has Covid put on their certificate so, “It turns out you could have been tested positive in February, recovered, then get hit by a bus in July and you’d be recorded as a covid death.” The other 3 countries of the UK only put it if a death occurs within 28 days, which makes far more sense.
The way of counting deaths has always been via excess deaths over the five year average.
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Numbers of new cases seem to be creeping up again - unless that is another change in the way things are counted in the last four days.
Apparently we have been counting deaths incorrectly in England! According to one report anyone who has ever tested positive and later dies, has Covid put on their certificate so, “It turns out you could have been tested positive in February, recovered, then get hit by a bus in July and you’d be recorded as a covid death.” The other 3 countries of the UK only put it if a death occurs within 28 days, which makes far more sense.
The way of counting deaths has always been via excess deaths over the five year average.
Not sure that that is correct, IgorStrav. British government up until now have been releasing daily death figures.
I don't think that the excess death figures over 5 year period are available on a daily basis, though I may be wrong.
Regards Margaret
Just checked: 5 year excess deaths are released each week by ONS.
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Could be much earlier, PHE has reported 827 new cases today (18th), quite an increase on the last few days.
14th July 398
15th July 538
16th July 641
17th July 687
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Wasn't WW1 supposed to be over by Christmas?
Its propaganda, folks. Ignore it - do your own thing and stop getting hung up on the 'rules'. In those famous words of The Prisoner: 'I am not a number. I am a free man'.
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Reply # groom + replies 4 & 6 Lizzie.
I'm a cautious person and so tend to pay heed to the medical and scientific officers and to Nicola Sturgeon, who is a cautious politician. My key watch-words throughout have been caution and common-sense.
At least this latest broadcast by the PM was better than the muddled one he did in May which succeeded only in confusing people.
There has been an increase in cases in Scotland this week.
Don't forget Northern Ireland in the mix of statistics.
I practise social & physical distancing during seasonal flu outbreaks so I'm not intending to live it up at Christmas.
I'm having problems accessing RC for past 2 days. I couldn't reply on another thread today and I can't quote posts on this one.
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I have seen two predictions -- one by a clairvoyant and the other by a virologist -- that the pandemic will appear to have fizzled out in September or October but will flare up again at Christmas; the new wave in early 2021 will be worse than what we've experienced so far.
If we assume that worldwide deaths are increasing at a linear rate, and will continue at about the same rate on average, I calculate that there'll have been a million deaths by mid-October and 2 million in May next year. But if the rate of increase is exponential, then the human race will have been wiped out in just over three years. Good news for the remaining species!
Yes, I know: extrapolation is a risky business.
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I am not even going to think about getting back to normal, I am doing my own thing day by day, keeping safe and not venturing to far a way, but I am hoping to spread my wings to visit Devon to see my brother in the not to distant future, I have left it long enough, 3 years and as the years pass I don't want it to be to late, so Devon, stay safe for me to visit please and I do the same during my visit to you!!!
LM
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Wasn't WW1 supposed to be over by Christmas?
Its propaganda, folks. Ignore it - do your own thing and stop getting hung up on the 'rules'. In those famous words of The Prisoner: 'I am not a number. I am a free man'.
I stand with you on this 110%.
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Please define Normal.
If we want to say that Normal is as it was January 1st 2020 then I doubt that will happen.
Too many people have lost their jobs.
Too many people have lost family and friends.
Too many people cannot afford a roof over their heads.
I will be the first to complain when taxes go up at the earliest possible time. Complaining will not do too much but it might make me feel better.
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'conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.'
Doubt I will start this NOW never have in 73 yrs
xin
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Barryd I agree and like you I don't think this will happen in the near future.
I know that lots of events have had to be cancelled but last night it was announced that the Edinburgh New Year Celebrations will not now take place and those who have already booked a ticket will get a refund.
No we will not be back to anything like the old normal that we remember by Christmas. We will just have to get on with life as it now is and will be for a very long time to come.
Dorrie
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I did wonder if we continue to wear face masks and wash our hands, whether our incidence of ordinary colds will go down this coming year? If it does,that will be a good thing from the ' new normal' .
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I can't see us getting back to normal for a long time, we just have to get on with it and obey the rules and keep safe
LM
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It was announced on the local radio yesterday that several Pantomimes won't go ahead this year.
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It was announced on the local radio yesterday that several Pantomimes won't go ahead this year.
Can you guess what I'm thinking :-X
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There will be no return to the old normal for those of a certain age or medical conditions.
For us a the new Normal that has emerged is very different from what it was, with being housebound more, avoiding contacts with crowds, no shopping in person on a High Street, Supermarket or out of town centres. No visits to Art Galleries/Museums/Theatre/National Trust properties etc. The list goes on and on and it will remain our Normal for the for see able future.
Latest research indicates that those who have had Covid only have effective antibodies for three months against a re-infection. That is not going to make producing a vaccine an even more difficult a task. Thus the future does not look to good for many of us oldies.
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It was announced on the local radio yesterday that several Pantomimes won't go ahead this year.
Can you guess what I'm thinking :-X
Oh Yes I can !!!! :D
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Find it really depressing
LM
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Until a vaccine that works is produced, I can’t see things returning to ‘normal’.
Romilly.
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Zoe, we will have a choice no doubt, it will be our decision rightly or wrongly and we ourselves will have to live with the decision we make
LM
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Good Lord, what a miserable thread this has become! I almost wish Trystan hadn't worked his magic and could bring back the security thingy to stop me accessing RC!
These 'rules' are ruining people's lives - ignore them! or, at least, go by what you think is right for you and yours. Common sense is the order of the day: not petty rules and regulations which are only thought up 'on the hoof' by a mediocre set of politicians, mostly for political ends. You are a better judge of what is safe for yourselves - to try to understand why and how these pettifogging rules work is to make yourself miserable. As I've said many times before, I've given up listening. I will now only wear a mask (horrible things) when to do otherwise could cost me £100 (incidentally, don't you find it a bit chilling that, if you pay your fine on the spot, it will only cost you half that? i.e. its a moneymaking measure) or when to do otherwise might be truly harmful.
If I'm supposed to wear a face nappy from tomorrow if visiting a shop, I simply won't visit the shop but shop online. I'm sure I'm not alone - so leading to a final goodbye to the High Street. Is this really what the mediocrity wants to happen? Did they (have they ever?) thought this - or anything else - through?
For the past few evenings (daft bat that I am) I have been in my back garden at dusk watching the bats flying around, as they always have, but also have seen grey squirrels scooting across my patio and at least two hedgehogs scurrying along the grass: one quite plump and the other, I think, a baby. I've never seen these before the lockdown caused nature to get that little bit more adventurous in our big noisy world. I wonder if the hedgehogs are the reason I haven't seen any slugs or snails eating my plants this year?
Please, stop getting yourselves so depressed. Its not good for you! 8)
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So much misinformation about vaccines going around... It’s very sad.
As Louisa maud so wisely says, - we’ll all have to make our own decisions.
Romilly.
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If I'm supposed to wear a face nappy from tomorrow if visiting a shop, I simply won't visit the shop but shop online. I'm sure I'm not alone - so leading to a final goodbye to the High Street. Is this really what the mediocrity wants to happen? Did they (have they ever?) thought this - or anything else - through?
Ill also be shopping online & everyone I know will too I agree how can the high street shops stay open?
I wonder how the pubs are coping.
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Until a vaccine that works is produced, I can’t see things returning to ‘normal’.
Romilly.
vaccines take minimum five to ten years of testing to be safe before used on the populous, the current C19 vaccine has been tested on cats & most the cats are dying of cancer.
it's only been 6 months so if they release the vaccine there's no way it's going inside me or my kids
That is understandable as by your use of the term kids indicates to me that you are young and hence probably more resilient with your health
For those of us 70+ it is totally different, we have a life sentance hanging over us, we contract Covid and it could kill us.
So yes life is depressing for us who are presently sentenced to life at home or to walks in the open air well away from other people.
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Too reminiscent of 1914 and WW1 " it will be over by Christmas" But which Christmas?
If the vaccine comes as fast as a vaccine for another corona virus, the common cold, Christmas 2100 if our descendents are lucky!
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Canada is doing quite well re COVID-19, we have not been over-regulated (we are now supposed to wear masks in public places here in Ontario, but fines are not being imposed).
I too have noticed an increase in wildlife in our suburban area - more rabbits, chipmunks, and this morning two crows under the bird feeder, they rarely appear in the backyard. Regular skunk and raccoon smells. Groundhogs have been very bold this year, generally one or two sightings a summer, now most days. Dog (at left) got into a wrestling match with one, lucky he did not get hurt.
I wonder if this will lead to increase in numbers over the next few years.
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My best safety precaution is .... I no longer watch the late evening television news! Much better night's sleep.
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Neither do I Threlfallyorky , I also have a paper but seldom read a thing about covid, to many scaremongers in my opinion and half of them hardly know what is going on,, leave it to the experts, to many Joe publics speculating and worrying others
LM
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My best safety precaution is .... I no longer watch the late evening television news! Much better night's sleep.
Excellent advice.
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Completely agree.
I did wonder if we continue to wear face masks and wash our hands, whether our incidence of ordinary colds will go down this coming year? If it does,that will be a good thing from the ' new normal' .
I hope the incidence of colds and flu do go down, not only because of the illnesses themselves but also there would not be so many people with symptoms that could be either flu or Covid19.
In my opinion, making noises about being back to normal by Christmas is irresponsible of Boris and the press, there are too many people who become complacent as a result of comments such as this.
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For those of us 70+ it is totally different, we have a life sentance hanging over us, we contract Covid and it could kill us.
Do you mean a death sentence? Although it could be a life sentence as some people have been left with serious health problems which may be long-lasting.
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In my opinion, making noises about being back to normal by Christmas is irresponsible of Boris and the press, there are too many people who become complacent as a result of comments such as this.
I completely agree. And all along, people have demanded that he should say when this that and the other should reopen and he has been forced put "not before" dates and he has been held to these dates. The 1 metre plus mitigations has been seen by many people as social distancing has been reduced from 2 m to 1 m - end of.
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"Back to normal by Christmas"
I do no think so!
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Many families tend to self isolate over Christmas. All in their own bubble ;D
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Not thinking that far ahead, Father Christmas might still be in lockdown, that would make it a cheap Christmas!
LM
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Our local area has reported that the traditional Christmas market stalls won't be there this year . Mixed comments online saying good, people will support local businesses instead, others saying it won't be Christmas without the Christmas market AND no panto. Thoughts?
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Oh no love the Panto at Christmas.
Somehow I feel this Christmas will be like no other. No kissing under the Mistletoe either???
I wonder if the Christmas Market and Funfair in Edinburgh will be cancelled too.
Dorrie
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In case anyone was wondering, groundhogs (alias woodchucks) are North American marmots.
In reply to another post, I've had very few slugs this year, but think the reason is the extremely dry April and May -- only about a quarter of the average rainfall for those months. Snails are better protected from drought, and I was collecting quite a lot on my early morning rounds of the garden. Their numbers have also fallen off, so it seems to be worth the trouble of getting up at sunrise and struggling out before the first coffee has taken effect.
Covid-19 deaths are again rising at an increasing rate, and I think the world-wide total will reach 1 million by mid-September and 2 million before Christmas. There's been a lot of complacency and wrong decisions, not just by Boris (and the Trumpeter with all his trumpery).
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A headline in The Times today:
Boris Johnson: We’ll still be fighting coronavirus next summer
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A headline in The Times today:
Boris Johnson: We’ll still be fighting coronavirus next summer
So 17th July "significant return to normality" by Christmas, Boris Johnson has announced.
Then 24th July " Britain will be fighting coronavirus until the middle of next year, Boris Johnson said today as he warned of “tough times ahead”."
No wonder we are confused.
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In all honesty does anyone know what the future is or what the outcome of Civid 19 will be,
I think not
LM
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Along with notification from RC of the latest post on this thread, I received an email from the local council to renew my electoral register entry.
Of course, I shall do it but I do ask myself what's the point? We just seem to go from one lame duck to another: a nincompoop preceded by a lady with absolutely no self knowledge; preceded by yet another in a long line of oily old Etonians etc etc.
I didn't vote for any of them! In the constituency I live in, my vote is pointless. Actually, in the country I live in, my vote is pointless!! Can we please have another referendum on proportional representation? Fat chance!!! >:(
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A headline in The Times today:
Boris Johnson: We’ll still be fighting coronavirus next summer
So 17th July "significant return to normality" by Christmas, Boris Johnson has announced.
Then 24th July " Britain will be fighting coronavirus until the middle of next year, Boris Johnson said today as he warned of “tough times ahead”."
No wonder we are confused.
I think therefore it is better that politicians should confirm the uncertainty, and give reasons why it is difficult to say what exactly is expected to happen.
This would actually be more helpful than slogans which simply cause confusion and doubt and are then - as indicated here - contradicted afterwards.
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I'm now a little concerned about the flu jabs for over 50s, etc. They may have enough of the vaccine but have they got enough nurses/staff to administer them. Each Sept/Oct in our practice, we usually have to make appointments and then we're allocated 1 min slots!
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My practice usually has certain dates when everyone who wants a jab just goes in and waits their turn! Imagine how popular they're (not) going to be this year!
I get one if I have a scheduled check up but I refuse to go and sit in a small, stiflingly hot (CH usually turned up to full at that time of year) waiting room with loads of other people. When interrogated as to why I haven't had the jab, I always say that I can think of no better way of catching the flu (or, this year, something far worse) than sitting in a room full of people, face mask or no face mask (as I'm still not convinced they make a ha'pence of difference).
I feel, once you reach what is classed as old age, its your duty to be as awkward and curmudgeonly as possible and not to just bow and scrape to anyone with what they think is a little bit of power.
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My practice usually has certain dates when everyone who wants a jab just goes in and waits their turn! Imagine how popular they're (not) going to be this year!
I get one if I have a scheduled check up but I refuse to go and sit in a small, stiflingly hot (CH usually turned up to full at that time of year) waiting room with loads of other people. When interrogated as to why I haven't had the jab, I always say that I can think of no better way of catching the flu (or, this year, something far worse) than sitting in a room full of people, face mask or no face mask (as I'm still not convinced they make a ha'pence of difference).
I feel, once you reach what is classed as old age, its your duty to be as awkward and curmudgeonly as possible and not to just bow and scrape to anyone with what they think is a little bit of power.
Having had a blood test recently at my own GP practice, I think you will find that there are very different arrangements now operating.
I had to a) wear a mask, obviously b) come to a different door c) not be more than 5 minutes ahead of my appointment time d) sanitise my hands on arrival ahead of ringing the doorbell and e) after being allowed to enter f) answer a question about whether I had experienced any C-19 symptoms and have my temperature taken g) be attended to by a nurse also wearing protective gear and h) sanitise my hands after leaving.
All this takes not much longer to do than to write and I certainly felt very safe and looked after. I wish not to put the health team at any risk, or be at risk myself.
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That all sounds very sensible. I would find the hardest bit about that making sure I wasn't there too early! I always find myself being far too early for my appointment as I never know how long it will take to find a parking space. I usually tried to get an appointment at the branch surgery as there is a large car park next door, but they have stopped doing blood tests there, so everyone now has to go to the main surgery, where you have to park in the road. I don't think I'm due one yet, so will avoid it for as long as possible.
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I read in the news a suggestion that vets might be asked to help with administering flu jabs. I appreciate that vets are usually very gentle (or the patient might bite!) but as my daughter - a senior vet - regularly works a 12 hour day, not counting on-call work, when will they have the time?
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Pharmacists can also give flu jabs and have been doing so for a number of years now. Obviously not on the NHS but they may be called upon to help out this year because of the volume of people now eligible.
rootpat - I know how hard vets work to look after our pets health. If I had to have my jab at our vet practice I would have no problem with that.
Dorrie
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DIY?
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Maybe not youngtug as my eyesight is not that good nowadays.
Would I trust my O/H to stick a needle in my arm. No way as his eyesight is worse than mine and you never know where the needle would end up ;D ;D
Dorrie
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From what I understand the flu jabs will be done in relays (for want of a better word). Firstly those who need the jab due to medical conditions, then the over 65s, then working their way down to the over 50s. That sounds like a sensible way to do it, I'm guessing that dealing with a large volume of people will need some thinking out, possibly admitting one person at a time to the surgery and having them leave through a different door.
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The "jab" is given to children by squirting it up their nose - they have said they will give it to year 7 (12 year olds) that way. If there any reason why it can't be given to adults in the same way? If it could, I'm sure it wouldn't take too long to train people to do it, in much the same way that the army were trained to take swabs.
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I believe now that we have a harder task in front of us to come through as we are approaching the start of the 2020 winter's flu season. The uncertainty of what the combination of Covid 19 an the Flu together is going to be,will be again a hard time for all of us to overcome and come through if all of us be able to see 2021 arrive/end and then see 2022 begin?. The Flu jab, hopefully, is something that will be of benefit and be able to help some of us??. As, we all know it's Free for those who are eligible. I am now looking into when we are able to have the Flu jab in my area of the East Midlands, and may I suggest you all do the same within your area.
No doubt there will be those who have priority over others first ?
Tackling this at this time now, we may not have to go through with as many more losses as all those that were lost previously.
Regards, Keep Safe, Keep and Prepare well for the Winter of 2020 to all, Just J
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Pharmacists can also give flu jabs and have been doing so for a number of years now.
Obviously not on the NHS
but they may be called upon to help out this year because of the volume of people now eligible.
rootpat - I know how hard vets work to look after our pets health. If I had to have my jab at our vet practice I would have no problem with that.
Dorrie
Our Pharmacist has been giving us flu jabs for a few years.
Presumably on the NHS, as there is no charge to us but we are over 65.
It is worth asking your Pharmacy as ours usually has limited supplies.
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Yes, - snap, we always have them at our local Pharmacy too.
Saves hanging around in GP’s waiting rooms :)
Mind you, I think they make you hang around outside now!
Romilly.
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I think therefore it is better that politicians should confirm the uncertainty, and give reasons why it is difficult to say what exactly is expected to happen.
This would actually be more helpful than slogans which simply cause confusion and doubt and are then - as indicated here - contradicted afterwards.
A politician (same party) criticised government this week for continuing to use campaign language. There's no room for doubt in a political campaign.
I did something normal yesterday - went inside a supermarket for the first time in months.
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Yes, - snap, we always have them at our local Pharmacy too.
Saves hanging around in GP’s waiting rooms :)
Mind you, I think they make you hang around outside now!
Romilly.
Do you have to make an appointment with the pharmacist or can you just 'walk in'? Also, do you have to pay if not getting it at your GP's?
I ask because, if my GP sticks to the old arrangements (they usually put notices up giving so many dates when you can go in and get the jab i.e. a free for all). I did that twice: once on a Saturday morning when I was the only one about, straight in and out, which then spoiled me for expecting it to be like that the next time when there was a waiting room full of people coughing and spluttering - no thanks! Now I either get it when I have one of my 6 monthly check ups or I don't bother.
If a jab at a pharmaciy is less 'crowded' then I'll take that over my GP any day.
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I don't see how they will be able to do it the old way, Jillruss. Most GPs still aren't doing face to face appointments unless really necessary and then its usually one in and one out. They are really going to have to rethink how they do them.
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Two points:
1) I always go early, that way I get a cleaner sharper needle.
2) it should be compulsory with certified medical exceptions only.
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I don't see how they will be able to do it the old way, Jillruss. Most GPs still aren't doing face to face appointments unless really necessary and then its usually one in and one out. They are really going to have to rethink how they do them.
In line with my earlier post, in which I explained in detail for Jillruss the arrangements for my blood test, which were very different from previous visits.
GP surgeries will vary, of course, but they will all be thinking about how to give these very important vaccinations in safety for all those involved, both on the receiving and administering end.
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A friend of mine was told by the hospital that he should get an urgent bloodtest. He has been unable to arrange this either through his GP or at the hospital. Is this becoming widespread?
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A friend of mine was told by the hospital that he should get an urgent bloodtest. He has been unable to arrange this either through his GP or at the hospital. Is this becoming widespread?
Wasn't for my blood test, which was in late June. No comments about it at all, and the arrangements were safety conscious and effective
Has the GP or the hospital been able to offer any suggestions as to how a blood test might be administered, if it is an urgent matter?
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Two points:
1) I always go early, that way I get a cleaner sharper needle.
2) it should be compulsory with certified medical exceptions only.
1st point reminds me of waiting in line at school for what may have been diphtheria vaccination.
2nd point will annoy anti-vac's. What about personal choice?
From what I've heard on news, vulnerable people will be priority, then over 65's.
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Not to my knowledge, but the gentleman concerned has other age related problems. I only know of this secondhand.
Regarding my earlier post, point one was somewhat facetious, but it does sometimes seem that way.
If point 2) Does annoy the anti-vaxxers, so what? Through their ignorance (fanned by a national newspaper) they have brought distress and illness to a considerable number of families. Serves them right!!
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Perhaps there'll be arrangements to do the jabs in a drive through, similar to how they're currently doing Covid tests.
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That could be an option Roobarb. As long as I get my jab in a safe place that would be fine by me.
Will we be driving into a supermarket car park? ... doing our shopping and "collecting" our jab on the way out?
Dorrie
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Perhaps there'll be arrangements to do the jabs in a drive through, similar to how they're currently doing Covid tests.
Fine, if you drive. many of my generation don't or can't.Still, it might well take some of the pressure off doctors' surgeries.
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Well
Just spent 48rs in Local Big Hospital... due to Gallstone flare up.
At least now I know I am negative for COVID
It is so well organised that I was moved ward 3 times.. all the 'Negatives' were kept together --- EVERYBODY wore masks.. but I noticed the nurses washing hair and getting very close at times...
For me the whole thing was ................ scary...... I didnt want to go in but was told NO Choice.. and then when in just kept an eye on.. NO intravenous anything... !!! just loads of Morphine.. Now my daughter has decided I am hooked... :) two /3 tubes oral morphine... Pain still hanging around but easier...
The experience was so surreal...
On Admittance the 'partner' is left outside and that is it...
Every Orifice they can test for wotever they do
You are only admitted when the test is clear and negative
only 5 to a ward and the worst thing was ... it was the oldest part of the Hospital that was being used... scary spooky like an old film with Jack Nicholson in... eeek
BUT the biggest but
Out of 20 0dd nurses only one was Male.. and out of 20 0dd Nurses maybe two or three British UK
The bloomin Nurses were so fantastic --- patient kind and caring wonderful
Nurses did the Doctors clan walk discussions at the end of the Bed and Docs came in in twos not 22's and the one I saw was ............pathetic.. ho hum
xin
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Perhaps there'll be arrangements to do the jabs in a drive through, similar to how they're currently doing Covid tests.
So if you're the driver you get it in your right arm and if you're the passenger the left. ;D ;D
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My Lamborghini is left hand drive, guess I will just have to take the Ferrari. ;D ;D ;D
Out of interest flightradar24 tells me there are approx 1000 airplanes in the west European skies at this moment, carrying holidaymakers to and fro.
Must be a few silent spreaders in that lot, maybe by October a flu jab might be the least of our worries.
Mike
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Perhaps there'll be arrangements to do the jabs in a drive through, similar to how they're currently doing Covid tests.
So if you're the driver you get it in your right arm and if you're the passenger the left. ;D ;D
Funny you should say that Groom, I was just thinking after I posted the comment that I ask for mine in my left arm in case of a sore or stiff arm. Guess I'd just have to put up with it in my right arm!
The issue of people being unable to use the drive through has been raised for people needing a Covid test, apparently they're sent one through the post. Of course that's not an option with a flu jab but if the majority could be dealt with by a drive through then the surgeries could probably deal with the non drivers.
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That could be an option Roobarb. As long as I get my jab in a safe place that would be fine by me.
Will we be driving into a supermarket car park? ... doing our shopping and "collecting" our jab on the way out?
Dorrie
OH and I had our flu jabs during lockdown, we were asked to drive to the back of the surgery and remain in our car. After the appropriate time,of making sure there was no reaction, we and the other drivers were told we go could go
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My Lamborghini is left hand drive, guess I will just have to take the Ferrari. ;D ;D ;D
Out of interest flightradar24 tells me there are approx 1000 airplanes in the west European skies at this moment, carrying holidaymakers to and fro.
Must be a few silent spreaders in that lot, maybe by October a flu jab might be the least of our worries.
Mike
I see now though that after telling people they could go on holiday to certain countries and not quarantine for 14 days on return, the government have done yet another U turn and said that those returning from Spain will have to! It starts from tonight, so those returning will get a shock!
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An EasyJet flight from Alicante was due to arrive at Edinburgh Airport at 23.45. It is now expected to land at 00.35. The deadline was midnight so the passengers will now have to quarantine for 14 days.
I hope the holiday makers enjoy their extra holiday at home !!
Why am I so unsympathetic :)
Dorrie
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My neighbours
(bless them in their early 70's)
have a time share somewhere out there in Spain..
Last Christmas they decided to drive over ... they normally fly over for Xmas... they went off about November....
NOT BACK YET
Goodness knows when they will be -- costing them a fortune in rented accom and their house this end... is a bloomin mess. the son is supposed to be taking care.. but due to lockdown cannot get here.
oh dear
xin
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A friend of mine was told by the hospital that he should get an urgent bloodtest. He has been unable to arrange this either through his GP or at the hospital. Is this becoming widespread?
Once my Blood Test Form arrived from the GP telephone appointment, we still got a Test appointment slot in two days, just the same as pre-Covid times. So no difference during Covid.
Plus our hospital was busy taking local Covid cases and also from the County of Leicestershire.
Mark
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Two points:
1) I always go early, that way I get a cleaner sharper needle.
Fair while since you had a jab I take it ::) ;D.
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The first people in this area to isolate in the early days of the pandemic were the GPs; the second was the vicar. I've not seen hide nor hair of any of them since.
The surgery has - from last week - instituted a 'locked door' policy which means that you go to the surgery and shout through the letterbox (I assume) and your prescription is pushed out at you. I envisage that their vaccination procedure will involve people going and poking a sanitised arm through a hole in the wall to get their shots.
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Three priests at my church had certain people to ring each week to see how we were.
My local church streamed services on Zoom, I had a lot of problems with it, the sound would often go but I managed, everyone who was able to log in could see others, except I couldn't be seen, that suited me, my comp doesn't have a camera, last week on Sunday we resumed to near normal at 11am instead of 09.45, puts me out no end for a Sunday lunch but it won't be for long, very well organised and spaced out
Why did Drs have to isolate?, my husband had to go to a Drs quite a way from here to be diagnosed with pneumonia in April, can't get past the front door of my own surgery or his, there are a lot of people who will suffer because GP's almost closed their doors, why ?
Louisa Maud
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I order my repeat prescriptions online, via a PC app (Patient Access).
The prescription then gets sent to a pharmacy of my choice.
So, I don't have to visit GP.
I get my blood test results online, too.
Also, IMHO, the majority of GP visits do not HAVE to be in person?
If I need to talk to my GP, he/she phones me back.
Even my hospital consultant phones me - no need to visit.
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Two points:
1) I always go early, that way I get a cleaner sharper needle.
Fair while since you had a jab I take it ::) ;D.
last October flu jab. Warped sense of humour that's all!
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I order my repeat prescriptions online, via a PC app (Patient Access).
The prescription then gets sent to a pharmacy of my choice.
So, I don't have to visit GP.
I get my blood test results online, too.
Also, IMHO, the majority of GP visits do not HAVE to be in person?
If I need to talk to my GP, he/she phones me back.
Even my hospital consultant phones me - no need to visit.
I get mine that way as well, much easier - also to my surprise, the last couple of times they have actually delivered them to me.
I've wondered that about GPs as well louisa maud. I presume they will get the same pay rise as those doctors who have worked in hospitals on the front line for the last few months.
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Do you mean that new(ish) online postal prescription service?
I've been told that my GP has not signed up to that . I wonder why - could it be that they have a pharmacy within its own building? ::) Up until the lockdown, it didn't bother me too much as I always collected my own repeats once a month. Not that they're exactly friendly - and the pharmacist reminds me of a cross between Ebeneezer Scrooge and Thomas Gradgrind!
However, now, as it involves a bus ride wearing one of those ridiculous masks, I'd rather have it delivered. A friend of mine uses it and it works well.
Q: I can see how it would work for a 28 day supply of pills but how would it work with other stuff that I need 'as and when' including insulin which might not be too safe coming by post?
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When I reached the age of 65 the doctor's receptionist 'phoned to ask whether I wanted the 'flu vaccination. No thanks, I said, I have an intact immune system. Haven't been offered it since: no doubt there's a black mark against my name.
Some years ago I was given the job of translating a film about an expedition to Patagonia by an Austrian team. Before they left, they asked the doctor for the appropriate jabs. "No need", he replied; "No people, no germs".
If the number of covid-19 deaths world-wide continues to rise at the current rate (by nearly 0.9% from each day to the next), I calculate it'll reach two and a half million by Christmas Eve -- so much for back to normal. No, I'm not about to leave for Patagonia, but neither do I want to set foot in a doctor's surgery if I can help it.
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Patagonia, 2019; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46837297#:~:text=Welsh%20tourists%20in%20Patagonia%20have,outbreak%20is%20communicable%20between%20humans.
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Since lockdown we've had to make one visit to the emergency Eye clinic at the local hospital (very straightforward & well-organised) & a couple of visits to our excellent GP surgery (we tried to do a video consultation but phone signal in our village is non-existent so doc told us to go in.) Everything was handled extremely well - the main door was closed but a temporary window had been set up next to the door through which you could collect medication. (As a rural practice they have their own dispensary). We had to ring when we got there, GP came out of a side door. At our suggestion he examined OH's leg at the car so the surgery did not have to be deep cleaned after us. A blood test was needed to check for DVT, GP did it, we waited 10 minutes then he rang us with the all clear. We apologised for taking up his time & he said 'That' s what we're here for'.
OH has a regular blood test every 4 months for a blood condition - again at the GP surgery, the nurse came out & did it through the car window.
We have ordered our repeat prescriptions online (Patient Access) for years & usually collect them in person. At start of lockdown I rang to ask what the new arrangements were only to be told 'You are on the list for home delivery, we want as few people as possible coming in'. So far it's worked like clockwork - they are delivered by hand. My friend who is with a town practice has hers home delivered too. My brother's insulin was home delivered along with his other meds. Not by post.
Our GPs have certainly been working hard - we are very lucky to have them.
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When I asked my GP pharmacy if they'd deliver, at the start of lockdown, I was met with so firm a 'no'. that I haven't dared ask since. Apparently their list was full. I'm now collecting it myself but sister in law went the time before and was nearly denied access because she wasn't wearing a mask (this was before it became compulsory and you can access the pharmacy without going through the building). They told her everyone had been sent a letter informing them of this. I'm still waiting for mine!
They picked the wrong person with my SiL - she can be a bit Penelope Keith and just stood her ground until they handed it over!! My heroine!!
Reading other posts, I'm coming to the conclusion that I might need to change GPs! Not as easy as it sounds!! I thought they were very good when I first joined but it seems to have gone downhill over the years with quite a big turnover of doctors.
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Why did Drs have to isolate?, my husband had to go to a Drs quite a way from here to be diagnosed with pneumonia in April, can't get past the front door of my own surgery or his, there are a lot of people who will suffer because GP's almost closed their doors, why ?
Louisa Maud
Hi Louisa
Snap!
Because I've had new recent health problems at home (now apparently Coronavirus complications), I'm being sent to hospital for checks when previously I'd be seen by my Doctors. I was not troubling my Doctors hardly at all before the crisis.
Doctor has said if two of those symptons I've had come back ... don't ring us, it is very Urgent.
Signs outside the Doctors said Restricted Area Do Not Enter so even those with Appointments wait outside until they come out to take you in the building.
One feeling I've been definitely left with ... I'm very fortunate so far :)
Mark
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After my husband was diagnosed with pneumonia I said if there is anything else wrong I would take him to A&E, , the Dr wouldn't allow another x- ray even though he had a persistent cough , but he is much improved ., yes I also feel very fortunate
LM
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As someone who often had class loads of hysterical teenagers fussing about their BCG or Tetanus shots, and I felt very fed up about the fuss, and calming them down before and afterwards, I once queried WHY people administering them referred to them as "Jabs", feeling that that was half the problem...
They looked at me as if I'd gone mad.
They "Just do call them that..."
.... Why do "they" (and a lot of us, too) refer to them as "Jabs"?
TY
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Easier to say than inniculation?
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Mucked that up. Should read inoculation!!
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Easier to say than inniculation?
Easier to spell, too ;D
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Not to my knowledge, but the gentleman concerned has other age related problems. I only know of this secondhand.
Regarding my earlier post, point one was somewhat facetious, but it does sometimes seem that way.
If point 2) Does annoy the anti-vaxxers, so what? Through their ignorance (fanned by a national newspaper) they have brought distress and illness to a considerable number of families. Serves them right!!
Listening to a programme about Covid-19 fake news and impact on NHS from point of view of a doctor. "My Name Is ...", Radio 4.
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Two points:
1) I always go early, that way I get a cleaner sharper needle.
Fair while since you had a jab I take it ::) ;D.
When he did National Service? :)
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Easier to say than inniculation?
Easier to spell, too ;D
Fat finger see reply 101 above
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Hereaboots a "jab" is a "jag" ;D
Skoosh.
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Aye Skoosh I usually call it a jag too. ;D
Dorrie
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I call it either depending on where I am ;D
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Hello All
Records in archives are "quarantining" ...
One of the general reasons for paper print-off orders taking longer ... "quarantining of records"
"Back to normal by Christmas" Don't bank on it.
They say my order won't be too long now :) :)
Mark
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If a paper record has been issued at an archive it then has to be quarantined for three days before it can be touched again, hence the delay.
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We call it a “shot” here...not so good, either!
What do you the inoculations your pets get? They are also referred to as shots here.
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We call it a “shot” here...not so good, either!
What do you the inoculations your pets get? They are also referred to as shots here.
Our pets here in the UK get their Booster injections annually, at least that is the terminology used in the part of England that I live.
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Our Vet uses the term "boosters", too. And our cats don't complain ( much).
My point was that children would probably not fuss so much if the term "jab" wasn't used.
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It doesn't matter what you call them, they still bloody well hurt; if only temporarily.
:)
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Agreed, - and the name really doesn't help to ease the twinge!
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Low pain threshold :)
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"Back to normal by Christmas" Don't bank on it.
Possibly by Christmas 2022 !
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Wimps!! ;D
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Glass half empty or half full syndrome ..... it changes on a daily basis with me.
Today it is half full :)
Dorrie
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Wimps!! ;D
That is what I though too ;D
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After today's statement by Johnson and a report I saw that in Australia CV19 seems to have replaced winter flu, I think we might have it permanently unless we get an effective vaccine. Research into the Corona Virus that produces the common cold has been going on most of my life as still has not produced a vaccine, so I wonder if ever.
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Research into the Corona Virus that produces the common cold has been going on most of my life as still has not produced a vaccine, so I wonder if ever.
I agree Redroger (although I don't know how long your life is!) but however miserable the common cold can make you it doesn't generally kill you so although it has gone on for many years I wouldn't think there has been the intensity of research there has been for Covid19. There has not been a vaccine developed for SARS1 but it just faded away, a vaccine for Covid is my first hope, my second would be that it would disappear in a similar manner.
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80 not out! Stroppy as ever! CV19 MAY have replaced winter flu in Australia. If so then this winters vaccination program will be a waste of time unfortunately.
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Are we expecting Australian 'flu again this winter?. I thought we had that a couple of years ago. 'Flu vaccinations are never a waste of time because we seem to expect/get a different strain every year.
It's a bit like the weather in that we can never be too sure what arrives. We just hope the right inoculations are available.
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CV19 MAY have replaced winter flu in Australia. If so then this winters vaccination program will be a waste of time unfortunately.
That's a dangerous statement, you can catch both. Case of either could kill you.
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My point was that in Australia winter flu seems to have been Replaced by CV19.
So who knows, if we are innoculated and no flu comes effectively the cost is wasted, but like fire insurance necessary!
According to another statement one catching one virus tends to block others. You can't have two (or more) together fortunately.
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80 not out! Stroppy as ever! CV19 MAY have replaced winter flu in Australia. If so then this winters vaccination program will be a waste of time unfortunately.
Is that directed at me? I appreciate that the written word doesn't come across as well as that which is spoken but I've read over my post several times and I really can't see how it could be considered stroppy.
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According to another statement one catching one virus tends to block others. You can't have two (or more) together fortunately.
I've read that isn't completely true and the only studies have been on catching a cold and the flu at the same time. I certainly wouldn't want to gamble on it.
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80 not out! Stroppy as ever! CV19 MAY have replaced winter flu in Australia. If so then this winters vaccination program will be a waste of time unfortunately.
Is that directed at me? I appreciate that the written word doesn't come across as well as that which is spoken but I've read over my post several times and I really can't see how it could be considered stroppy.
No! It was intended as self description! Apologies if I gave the wrong impression. It is me who is is 80 and stroppy!!
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I thought the 80 must be something to do with a cricket score! ;D
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According to another statement one catching one virus tends to block others. You can't have two (or more) together fortunately.
I've read that isn't completely true and the only studies have been on catching a cold and the flu at the same time. I certainly wouldn't want to gamble on it.
Nor me! Had I been running things we (England) would have been on continuous lock down since the beginning of March, with no foreign inward travel other than for returning Brits, and no outward travel for Brits. It would have been like a gigantic version of Eyam c1350!
80 in a season was stretching things for me Roobarb!! . I was a rubbish bowler, bad batsman, fairly decent wicketkeeper and was told by an ex county player my fielding and catching was top class.
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Research into the Corona Virus that produces the common cold has been going on most of my life as still has not produced a vaccine, so I wonder if ever.
... There has not been a vaccine developed for SARS1 but it just faded away, a vaccine for Covid is my first hope, my second would be that it would disappear in a similar manner.
They didn't produce a successful vaccine for H1N1 either ...
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html
On another note, I'm dismayed that our UK media also pushed for Test, Test and Test and ... now Testing seems to have revealed high infection rates in certain areas (more than others), the same media now seem unfairly critical at our government for imposing area and location restrictions.
Testing alone, won't make Covid disappear and we know how fast an ordinary winter cold spreads.
One of the Professors said a few weeks ago ... we are only half way through this.
We have a contact in Spain and for the first time he is not criticising the British, but says some people in Spain forgot the simple rules we had drummed into us, hand hygiene, 2 metre distancing, avoid congregating in groups, etc., and he blames that for Spain's new Covid outbreaks.
All I can say is keep as safe as you can and continue to take care, Mark
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Research into the Corona Virus that produces the common cold has been going on most of my life as still has not produced a vaccine, so I wonder if ever.
There has not been a vaccine developed for SARS1 but it just faded away, a vaccine for Covid is my first hope, my second would be that it would disappear in a similar manner.
Unfortunately SARS never faded away.
The current Coronavirus or Covid-19 is SARS CoV-2.
It is a SARS relative, just like those close in a family tree.
Seems, somehow we've got to adapt too, to survive these viruses that come along.
Over the coming months and years we will see more I feel, about getting fitter, good diet, cutting down pollution, cutting out fast food, less reliance on some medication drugs and their side effects, losing weight, stopping smoking and heavy drinking of alcohol and more walking, cycling etc., etc.
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I was offered a tablet in 2006 for my condition. They said it might not help me, but the leaflet said irreversible brain injury had occurred, so I refused it.
Since 2018 that medication is now linked to a higher risk of dementia and early death (but they knew over a decade ago it caused "irreversible brain injury").
I now ask what are the side effects before popping stuff in my mouth.
Mark
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Had I been running things we (England) would have been on continuous lock down since the beginning of March, with no foreign inward travel other than for returning Brits,
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I think you might have been tearing your hair out during this outbreak at the number of illegal migrants this leaky old English boat has let in via rubber dingies crossing the Channel (over 2,000) and Brits assisting illegals by boats, motor vehicles and planes
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I think you might have been tearing your hair out during this outbreak at the number of illegal migrants this leaky old English boat has let in via rubber dingies crossing the Channel (over 2,000) and Brits assisting illegals by boats, motor vehicles and planes
It would be a mistake to start blaming immigrants. During the COVID outbreak, an estimated 1.3 million Brits have returned home. Your figure of 2000 pales into insignificance.
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I think you might have been tearing your hair out during this outbreak at the number of illegal migrants this leaky old English boat has let in via rubber dingies crossing the Channel (over 2,000) and Brits assisting illegals by boats, motor vehicles and planes
It would be a mistake to start blaming immigrants. During the COVID outbreak, an estimated 1.3 million Brits have returned home. Your figure of 2000 pales into insignificance.
I agree, even after lockdown began people were being allowed back into the country without being tested or told to quarantine. I know someone who returned form Nepal and another from Italy, both walked straight through customs.
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I think you might have been tearing your hair out during this outbreak at the number of illegal migrants this leaky old English boat has let in via rubber dingies crossing the Channel (over 2,000) and Brits assisting illegals by boats, motor vehicles and planes
It would be a mistake to start blaming immigrants. During the COVID outbreak, an estimated 1.3 million Brits have returned home. Your figure of 2000 pales into insignificance.
But without immigrants to blame, who else is left? ;-)
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I think you might have been tearing your hair out during this outbreak at the number of illegal migrants this leaky old English boat has let in via rubber dingies crossing the Channel (over 2,000) and Brits assisting illegals by boats, motor vehicles and planes
It would be a mistake to start blaming immigrants. During the COVID outbreak, an estimated 1.3 million Brits have returned home. Your figure of 2000 pales into insignificance.
But without immigrants to blame, who else is left? ;-)
If you'd like to tell me why I'm xenophobic about migrants when I have migrants in my family, I'd like to know about it.
I don't have a one track mind and I am not the zenophobic on this thread. Every week it seems we find one more person that allows the incidence of the covid virus to increase
The newsreels have now reported that South Korea, which has not had a new case for weeks and has not opened its borders has suddenly had one person with the virus, which then exploded to 80 cases.
Additionally the newsreels announce cats carry the virus, which to my mind (but maybe not to others) begs the question about animal imports.
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In previous discussions on here, young people have been blamed for their attitude and attendance at raves etc.
Yesterday, one theory was put forward that younger people may now be contracting the virus because they are usually the ones in low paid employment trying to keep things going for the rest of us.
Overcrowding has been given as one of the reasons in my area. Mr Hancock said that this was deduced by whole families now getting it so therefore tracing was easier.
However, we can’t yet trace if the virus was passed on in the supermarket, or the bus etc.
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Additionally the newsreels announce cats carry the virus, which to my mind (but maybe not to others) begs the question about animal imports.
The pet cat in Britain which was in the news recently got the infection from its' owner.
Which imported animal species were you thinking of?
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I think you might have been tearing your hair out during this outbreak at the number of illegal migrants this leaky old English boat has let in via rubber dingies crossing the Channel (over 2,000) and Brits assisting illegals by boats, motor vehicles and planes
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My hair went long ago, so impossible.
An organised immigration policy is needed but way beyond the pay grade of this gang!
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I blame:
1. The Dominic Cummings fiasco - after that, a lot of people lost faith. Why should lockdown rules applying to them but not to the 'elite'. After that, whenever Boris or one of the Minions stood at that podium and pontificated, I'd just switch them off in disgust.
2. Face masks. Despite being told early in the epidemic that they weren't much use, we're now told they're indispensable. They're not - its a ruse to make us think the government is on top of this. They're not. They've just convinced people that, as long as they wear a mask, they can do whatever they like. And, guess what, by and large, they are!
3. Political correctness. The powers that be are so afraid of upsetting ethnic minorities and being called racist, that they've let situations in Leicester etc get completely out of hand rather than going in and sorting out the problems facing ethnic communities in this area. They've failed to do this for years.
4. Boris Johnson. I think he's like someone on a seesaw that's out of control: one minute, it'll all 'be over by Christmas', the next, the situation is dire and we should all do our impressions of Corporal Jones! I know its difficult juggling the nation's health against economic slowdown but a bit of consistency might be appreciated. I'm sorry if sandwich shops etc kept in business by people on the way to or nipping out from work are going bust, but times change and we have to change with them. Think of all the travel/commuting problems that will be solved by more people working from home (I know not everyone can do so) - not to mention how much healthier our environment will be if commuting and endless holidays abroad slowed down considerably.
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I am not even going to consider when we will be getting back to normal if we ever do, it is out of our hands, EXCEPT, we all ought to consider others and be sensible, to be honest I am finding with subject very depressing
Louisa Maud
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Think of all the travel/commuting problems that will be solved by more people working from home (I know not everyone can do so) - not to mention how much healthier our environment will be if commuting and endless holidays abroad slowed down considerably.
Every cloud has a silver lining.
1st point. There is a current thread on RC about narcissism. Certain people sprang to my mind.
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In previous discussions on here, young people have been blamed for their attitude and attendance at raves etc.
Yesterday, one theory was put forward that younger people may now be contracting the virus because they are usually the ones in low paid employment trying to keep things going for the rest of us.
Overcrowding has been given as one of the reasons in my area. Mr Hancock said that this was deduced by whole families now getting it so therefore tracing was easier.
However, we can’t yet trace if the virus was passed on in the supermarket, or the bus etc.
Yes, I was extremely surprised to learn that the latest clues from Mr Hancock is that family gatherings were involved, especialy as a member of a family wouldn't want to mix with family if there was any danger to their loved ones.
I've always thought that there are carriers who show no signs of an ailment but can infect others, so I'm crossing my fingers that somebody in this world finds a quick easy and reliable test sooner rather than later.
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...Er ... can anyone remember what "Normal" is, please?
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We have to think back to March
Yesterday was the first time since March I was able to take my lovely neighbour shopping at 8am, thought we might be getting back to near normal, if ever
Louisa maud
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A friend of mine who is 82 and his grandson of 21 not living together have both been chosen to see if they have had the virus or are carriers, has anyone been asked to do the test through the post and a courier will collect it?
Louisa maud
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...Er ... can anyone remember what "Normal" is, please?
We had such a lovely bright sunny day here yesterday I somehow hate to bring rain into the conversation but I'd love a normal Christmas again. Dressed up warmly to do some last minute shopping in the heaving city centre where attractive seasonal window dressing invited us into the stores.
Then at home, last minute baking and wrapping of presents. Christmas Day all the families present to play seasonal games.
lol Bryan came home from work one day and informed me he'd invited his pal and family to arrive tomorrow evening after teatime.
I did the old fashioned thing and organised "homemade" games , then when the family of five arrived I gaily announced they were welcome and I'd got the food & games ready - at which the visiting young teenage offspring gave loud groans :-)
The thing about family games is that children and parents share an enjoyable pastime together and from the happy smiles and laughter throughout the evening I know my children and the visiting children and their parents enjoyed the party games of old.
I bet a lot of rootschatters have the same memories
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A friend of mine who is 82 and his grandson of 21 not living together have both been chosen to see if they have had the virus or are carriers, has anyone been asked to do the test through the post and a courier will collect it?
Louisa maud
I live in northwest Lancashire, am being shielded, and haven't had any invitation but I see that our local MP who has a page on facebook has announced the tests.
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...Er ... can anyone remember what "Normal" is, please?
Prof Chris Whitty, the Chief MO for England, and here in Wales, Mark Drakeford, the First Minister, seem to think we may have gone as far as we can in relaxing the "lockdown". Oh w(h)ell.
However, we mustn't lose hope.
:)
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Additionally the newsreels announce cats carry the virus, which to my mind (but maybe not to others) begs the question about animal imports.
The pet cat in Britain which was in the news recently got the infection from its' owner.
Which imported animal species were you thinking of?
I realise you take umbrage at everything I write, but it seems to me that you don't watch the same TV documentaries as me, otherwise you'd realise that there are people in this world who try to smuggle all sorts of items and living creatures through customs.
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I think that imports and smuggling are different, albeit smugglers "import" it is not legal.