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Where is Annie ?
1891
23 St Matthew Street, Wolverhampton
Alfred Davies, Head, Mar, 35 Puddler, Wolverhampton
Harriett, Wife, Mar, 31, Willenhall
On the same page:
Court 6, St Matthew Street, Wolverhampton
Joseph Willetts, Head, Mar, 63, Coal Dealer, Old Hill Worcestershire (Grandparents)
Phoebe, Wife, Mar, 61, Bilston Staffs.
Anne Davies, Grandaur, 2, Wolverhampton
1901 at 13 Court, Bilston Road, Wolverhampton
Alfred Davies 45 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire Iron Puddler
Harriet Davies wife 41 b. Mildenhall, Staffordshire
Anne Davies dau 12 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
1911 –
Alfred Davies 55 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Under Hand Puddler Harriet Davies 51 b. Willenhall, Staffordshire
1 Court, 13 Bilston Rd, Wolverhampton
Married for 28 years. Now this is puzzling ? they state that no children were born to their marriage. Therefore who is Annie?
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Have you checked her birth and mother's maiden name
LM
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yes
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Cancel, will get back to you
LM
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no Willetts
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If she belongs to Alfred and Harriett Davies MMN Willetts I think you either have to get Alfred's marriage or find out who Alfred belongs to, perhaps there is a second marriage somewhere
Have you found out on the previous census where Alfred lived
LM
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Marriage 1882 Alfred DAVIES/Harriet WILLETTS on same page.
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Yes i have both Alfred and Harriet Lines
Also sister to Harriet now looking at re Davis name
3. Annie Willetts was born 1867 in Wolverhampton. She married Henry Thomas Davis. He was born 26 Jan 1868 in Union Street Tin plate worker, son of William Davies and Elizabeth D.
1871
31 Moore St Wolverhampton Staffs
Joseph Willetts head M 38 Coal Dealer Rowley Worcester
Pheaby wife 39 Bilston Staffs
Harriett daughter 11 Bilston Staffs
William son 6 Oldbury Worcester
Anne daughter 3 Wolverhampton Staffs
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GRO do not appear to have any female Davies children, with mmn = Willetts - 1889 +/- 2 years.
Is it possible that Anne is actually an adopted daughter :-\
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First marriage
Billings, Martha Ellen
b.
Jun 1860
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
d.
Jun 1880
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
m.
Davies, Alfred
Dec 1879
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Davies, Sarah
b.
Mar 1880
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
d.
Jan 1883
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
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So 1881 - Alfred is living with his parents as a widower - RG11/2804 folio 23 page 39 plus Sarah aged 12 months.
Added:
And Sarah Jane Davies, mmn = Billings - registered 1880 in Wolverhampton.
Plus: I'm now totally cunfused, if we are trying to find Anne/Annie Davies :-\ :-\
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1871 living at
Staffs Woverhampton, 74 Moore Street
Joseph Billings hd mar 39 Pudler bn Lancaster Duckenfield
Sarah Ann wf 38 " Staffs. Stone
Annie may not be Davies or Davis, may be related to wiittal or Billings note Marriage and death of martha 1879/1880
She was on the census but not elsewhere
Thanks Geoff
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My apologies, Geoff, but I am totally, and utterly, confused. I DO NO understand what you are saying.
Shorthand just doesn't help - "Annie may not be Davies or Davis, may be related to wittal or Billings note Marriage and death of martha 1879/1880" - please give us a more detailed explanation - if you want more help :-X Unfortunately we are NOT mind-readers ;)
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As you said she may be adopted, or she may be other Grandaughter of Willets or Billings
1891
23 St Matthew Street, Wolverhampton
Alfred Davies, Head, Mar, 35 Puddler, Wolverhampton
Harriett, Wife, Mar, 31, Willenhall
On the same page:
Court 6, St Matthew Street, Wolverhampton
Joseph Willetts, Head, Mar, 63, Coal Dealer, Old Hill Worcestershire
Phoebe, Wife, Mar, 61, Bilston Staffs.
Anne Davies, Grandaur, 2, Wolverhampton
1901 at 13 Court, Bilston Road, Wolverhampton
Alfred Davies 45 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire Iron Puddler
Harriet Davies wife 41 b. Mildenhall, Staffordshire
Anne Davies dau 12 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
1911 –
Alfred Davies 55 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. Under Hand Puddler Harriet Davies 51 b. Willenhall, Staffordshire
1 Court, 13 Bilston Rd, Wolverhampton
Married for 28 years. Now this is puzzling ? they state that no children were born to their marriage. Therefore who is Annie?
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As I said in #8 - there is no birth registration for "female" Davies in 1889 +/- 2 years with mmn = Willetts. Therefore could she be an adopted "daughter" - not even blood-related?
Yes, I have seen the relevant census entries.
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My understanding is that the 1911 number of children refers to the wife so could
Ann be a daughter of a first wife or girlfriend who died in childbirth .
That would make her the Willets step grandchild
She could still be Alfred's daughter in 1901
Harriet and he had had no children together
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Sorry, done it again using 1879 instead of 1889
LM
3 Births so far circa 1889
Annie Rushton ( on free bmd's as Anne) S qtr 1888 mmn Peters
Anne Margaret J 1888 mmn Rhodes
Anne May Butler D 1887 mmn Dunn
LM
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Possible Conclusion
Alfred Davies was born 26 Feb 1856 in Wolverhampton and died 1916 He married Martha Ellen Billings Dec 1879 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England. She was born Jun 1860 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England and died Jun 1880 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England, daughter of Joseph Billings and Sarah B.
He married Harriet Willetts 25 Jun 1882. She was born Jan 1860 in Willenhall, Staffordshire, England, daughter of Joseph Willets and Phoebe France.
Children of Alfred Davies and Harriet Willetts:
Census shows Annie vies was born 1889???
Children of Alfred Davies and Martha Ellen Billings:
Sarah Davies was born Mar 1880 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England and died Jan 1883 in Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
1901 at 13 Court, Bilston Road, Wolverhampton
Alfred Davies 45 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire Iron Puddler
Harriet Davies wife 41 b. Mildenhall, Staffordshire
Anne Davies dau 12 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Could Sarah be Annie to avoid confusion with other Sarahs in family by Grandparents Billings and Willets both families living close during births and deaths
1891
23 St Matthew Street, Wolverhampton
Alfred Davies, Head, Mar, 35 Puddler, Wolverhampton
Harriett, Wife, Mar, 31, Willenhall
On the same page:
Court 6, St Matthew Street, Wolverhampton
Joseph Willetts, Head, Mar, 63, Coal Dealer, Old Hill Worcestershire
Phoebe, Wife, Mar, 61, Bilston Staffs.
Anne Davies, Grandaur, 2, Wolverhampton
1901 at 13 Court, Bilston Road, Wolverhampton
Alfred Davies 45 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire Iron Puddler
Harriet Davies wife 41 b. Mildenhall, Staffordshire
Anne Davies dau 12 b. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
1881
Lower Horseley Fields Wolverhampton.
Joseph Billings 52 Forge labourer.
Sarah Ann Billings 49
William Billings 18 Hoop Mill Man
Sarah Ann Billings 9
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Who is Henry Thomas Davies marrying Annie Willetts 1887 with a witness Alfred Davies?
Just a thought
LM
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Sister Of Harriet
Willetts, Annie
b.
1867
Wolverhampton
m.
Davis, Henry T.
1871
31 Moore St Wolverhampton Staffs
Joseph Willetts head M 38 Coal Dealer Rowley Worcester
Pheaby wife 39 Bilston Staffs
Harriett daughter 11 Bilston Staffs
William son 6 Oldbury Worcester
Anne daughter 3 Wolverhampton Staffs
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Did Annie belong to Henry and Annie ?
LM
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Suggesting
Birth
Annie DAVIS
1889 Wolverhampton
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Alfred Henry 1890
Harriett 1891
All Davis and all MMN Willetts, all born Wolverhampton
Have you looked at baptisms?
Alfred is on 1891 with parents but no Annie
Just a suggestion, if not I am giving in, confused .com !!!
LM
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1891
71 St Matthews Street
Henry T Davies 23 tin plate worker
*Annie wife 22
Alfred son 11months
1901
Henry Thomas Davies 33 Tin Plate Worker
Annie Davies 32
Alfred 10
Annie daughter 12
Harriet 9
Beatrice 7
Elsie 5
Percy 3
Gladys 1
1911
Annie Davis Head 44 mar house duty 25 year marr 9 ch
Annie daughter 22 ill
Alfred 20 store keeper
Harriet 19 printing
Beatrice L davis 17 warehouse bycycle works
Elsie 15 Printing worker
Percy W Davis 13
Gladys M Davis 11
( Margaret D Davies0 9
3 Back 30 Duke Street Bham
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1901 2741/57/47
Has the family relating to those baptisms. They are transcribed as Davin but Annie is with them.
They are the same couple as 1891, Henry Thomas being a tin plate worker.
Their daughter Ann (12) is with them. Does that mean the Annie with Alfred and Harriett is someone else and not the granddaughter of Joseph and Phoebe?
1901 they are all children of Henry Thomas and Annie.
Yes they are in 1911
Gladys 1900
Harriet 1891
Beatrice 1893
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I suspect that Anne/Annie has been entered twice on 1901 - at home with parents and again with grandparents. Not unusual :) And grandparents called her Anne, rather than Annie :-\
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On 1911 shown how many childred Henry an Annie have had
LM
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I am assuming Annie was a sickly child, might be why she spent time with her grandparents, supposition on my part
LM