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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Aliss06 on Sunday 19 July 20 13:19 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
Why would the surname on a birth certificate in 1852 (the same surname for the child and her parents) be different on a baptism record just a few months later? The names are totally different so not a spelling error. It seems the family swapped between both names throughout their lives according to the various censuses that followed. What would be the reason for this?
Birth
19 March 1852 Caroline Hudson, Father Willam Hudson, Mother Caroline formerly Phillips, Profession Jappaner, 32 Ironmonger Street St Lukes.
Baptism
Hackney St James Shoreditch
Caroline dob 19 March 1852 , parents William and Caroline Burley, 5 Vincent Street, St Lukes, Profession Jappaner.
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Be helpful if you included details of the child - birth and baptism
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Hi, thanks for your reply. Am I allowed to post a link to Ancestry?
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You really need to type it out as not everyone that tries to help has access to Ancestry
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I have amended my original post.
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What surname (s) did they marry under? Any other children before or after Caroline?
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1861 as Hudson - all b St Lukes Middlesex
William 33
Caroline 34
Caroline 9
Elizabeth 10mths
Ellen Regan 19 niece b Ireland
RG9 /173/69/9
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I haven't been able to find a marriage certificate for the parents.
On the 1871 census they appear as Murley instead of Burley with two additional children, William born 1856 St Luke (missing on the 61 census) and Alfred born 1864 in Clerkenwell.
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Possible birth for Elizabeth Sept qtr 1860 Clerkenwell 1b 492 mmn was Phipps
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Yes I think that’s the daughter. I have birth records for all 4 children. Why do you think they are using two surnames?
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1861 has Caroline b St Luke 1827
1871 has Caroline b Royston Hertfordshire 1827 ???
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Long shot & pure guesswork.
He was born as Burley (or Hudson) possibly illegitimate.
Mum then married Mr Hudson (or Burley)
Or - he was born under one of the surnames and then found his biological father so used his name
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I have a family where the son was born just ahead of the parents' marriage - and therefore he was registered under the surname of his mother.
Through the censuses he is sometimes known under his mother's name, and sometimes under his father's name - he was evidently part of the family, and would have been known by their surname as a result.
So possibly the thinking was - registration is legal and formal, and should be under the 'right' name. Censuses are the same.
And baptism is all about us and our church community so the name can be what we're known as by our neighbours in the street.
The other example is my OH's grandfather. He was illegitimate, but brought up within the family and under the name of his stepfather.
He enlisted in the army for WWI under that name. And I can see on his enlistment records where this name was crossed through and his mother's maiden name inserted (was he given his birth cert? Did his mother tell him?) and he lived under his 'birth certificate' name for ever afterwards.
OH was always fascinated to know that his surname might have been entirely different.
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Birth
19 March 1852 Caroline Hudson, Father Willam Hudson, Mother Caroline formerly Phillips, Profession Jappaner, 32 Ironmonger Street St Lukes.
1851 census
piece 1521 folio 389 page 39
St Luke
32 Ironmonger Street
W Hindson Head Mar 24 Japanner Middx Clerkenwell
Caroline Hindson Wife Mar 24 Needlewoman Hereford(sic) Royston
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGF4-KDM
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William born 1856 St Luke (missing on the 61 census)
No longer missing?
1861
piece 208 folio 149 page 2
St Luke
8 James Street
William Hudson Head 54 Japanner
Elizabeth Hudson Wife 54
William Hudson Grandson 4
All born London
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-MCB7
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1861
piece 208 folio 149 page 2
St Luke
Image on FamilySearch.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-P3NH-W9PT-4?i=305&cat=568261
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Do you want the rest?
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On the 1871 census they appear as Murley instead of Burley
No they don't. They appear as Burley.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB8Y-QLW
Good idea to look at original images as well as transcriptions.
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Thank you all for your replies and helpful hints. I still don't understand why the family are also using the name Burley but could I just ask if you do all think it's the same family?