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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex => England => Essex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Gary Allison on Tuesday 21 July 20 07:19 BST (UK)
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Dear Sir/Ms.
Looking for any info re the following.
George Phillips who m. as a Widower. No idea re his first marriage or his parents or any children via that marriage.
John The Evangelist, Langley
Marriage
6 Feb 1772 #George Phillips & #Mary Toofs both single and of parish
Marriage The Tofts were from Hertfordshire.
Mary Simmons m.
3 March 1801 #George Phillips & #Mary Simmons (hard to read her surname) both of the parish (can't find baptism or mention of Mary in PRs before parish)
One Witness was Bailey Simmons.
James Philipps & Eliza Bonneton with consent of parents were married by banns on 9 Feb 1824 No record re Eliza Bonneton
The marriage of Thomas Phillips to Peacock has no logic. It appears he m. Lydia Monk
Rebecca Ball m. 1688 Great Bardfield. No parents given.
Rebeacca Chapman
#Thomas Pomfrett
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
27 Apr 1724
Event Place:
Little Chesterford, Essex, England
Event Place (Original):
Little Chesterford, Essex, England
Gender:
Male
Spouse's Name:
#Rebecca Chapman
Spouse's Gender:
Female
Regards,
Gary
Australia.
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Sorry but your copy/paste is not easy to read as it is so spread out
Looking for any info re the following.
George Phillips who m. as a Widower. No idea re his first marriage or his parents or any children via that marriage.
John The Evangelist, Langley
Marriage -- 6 Feb 1772 #George Phillips & #Mary Toofs both single and of parish
Marriage The Tofts were from Hertfordshire.
Mary Simmons m. 3 March 1801 #George Phillips & #Mary Simmons (hard to read her surname) both of the parish (can't find baptism or mention of Mary in PRs before parish)
One Witness was Bailey Simmons.
James Philipps & Eliza Bonneton with consent of parents were married by banns on 9 Feb 1824 No record re Eliza Bonneton
The marriage of Thomas Phillips to Peacock has no logic. It appears he m. Lydia Monk
Rebecca Ball m. 1688 Great Bardfield. No parents given.
Rebeacca Chapman
#Thomas Pomfrett
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Apr 1724
Event Place:Little Chesterford, Essex, England
Event Place (Original):Little Chesterford, Essex, England
Gender:Male
Spouse's Name:#Rebecca Chapman
Spouse's Gender:Female
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George Phillips who m. as a Widower. No idea re his first marriage or his parents or any children via that marriage.
John The Evangelist, Langley
Marriage -- 6 Feb 1772 #George Phillips & #Mary Toofs both single and of parish
Marriage The Tofts were from Hertfordshire.
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Mary Simmons m. 3 March 1801 #George Phillips & #Mary Simmons (hard to read her surname) both of the parish (can't find baptism or mention of Mary in PRs before parish)
One Witness was Bailey Simmons.
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James Philipps & Eliza Bonneton with consent of parents were married by banns on 9 Feb 1824 No record re Eliza Bonneton
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Rebecca Ball m. 1688 Great Bardfield. No parents given.
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Rebeacca Chapman
#Thomas Pomfrett
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Apr 1724
Event Place:Little Chesterford, Essex, England
Event Place (Original):Little Chesterford, Essex, England
Gender:Male
Spouse's Name:#Rebecca Chapman
Spouse's Gender:Female
No parents for Rebecca.
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George Phillips married Mary Simmons 3 March 1801 at Langley
I can find only one child baptized there a daughter Mary on 30 July 1815.
His wife Mary was buried 20 April 1820 age 41 at Langley
George marries 2nd Kezia Prentice also a widow 19 December 1823 at Langley
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If the James Phillips on the 1841 census at Langley with wife Eliza is your family then from the GRO
index all the children from the start of registration have the mothers maiden name of PEACOCK.
There is a baptism for a John Peacock on 20 April 1823 mother Eliza Peacock single woman
Where does the marriage to Eliza Bonneton come from it wasn't at Langley.
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Notes
Kezia Prentice was 1st married to George Prentice at Langley 24 December 1806 her maiden name was Pegram
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Notes
John Peacock son of Eliza was buried 21 June 1823 age 3 months.
Thomas Phillips married Lydia Monk 2 March 1825 both single
I cannot find her death
Thomas Phillips widow married Alice Trigg spinster 24 February 1828
There is a James Phillips who marries Lucy Lukins 1801 not at Langley but the banns were read there as it was James' parish
Going back to another register
Children of George Phillips and Mary nee Simmons
William bap 26 July 1801 ( at a later date it was crossed through and John written instead)
James bap 15 July 1804
George 29 November 1812
Mary 30 July 1815
James Phillips of Elmdon married Eliza Peacock 3 November 1828 at Wendon Lofts St Dunstan
Witness Nathan Driver and Ellen Driver
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This is what someone sent me re Peacock.
I've had a look through the Stanstead PRs and there is an Elizabeth Peacock baptised in 1803, but it is definately not Peacock on the marriage, so perhaps someone has added Peacock because it ties in with the age given on the census (48). On family trees that I have looked at with a Phillips/Peacock marriage, they are saying that it took place in Langley with GUESS? wrote beneath so it shows that it hasn't been researched properly.
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James Phillips married Eliza Peacock at St Dunstan in Wendon Lofts see my previous post.
He was living in Elmdon at the time and she was of the parish.
They did NOT marry in Langley.
Stanstead Mountfitchet Parish registers ERO
28 January 1803 Eliza baptized daughter of Samuel and Ann Peacock.
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Langley re: George Phillips Widower who married Mary Tofts 6 February 1772
His 1st wife was Sarah Smith, banns read 17,24 October and 1 November 1758 the vicar neglected to put the marriage in the register.
There are a great many gaps in the entries for Langley
They had children
Mary 1759, George 1761, Sarah 1763, Elizabeth 1765.
At some point Sarah dies after 1765 and before 1772, as I said many gaps in the register.
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Brilliant. with much thanks.
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Rebecca Chapman.
The only thing I can find is a marriage 27 May 1700 in Great Chesterford of John Chapman to Elizabeth Hopwood by license.
Groom was of Dry Drayton and the bride of Ickleton, both of these are in Cambridgeshire.
If you think these are a possibility you will need to check Cambridgeshire registers.
Note
If you are checking someone else's tree, I did not trace the families in Little Chesterford, only answered questions you had.
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Hi.
I am only tracing my wife's tree. A number of the Essex line did cone from Cambridgeshire. Again thanks.
Gary.
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Hi.
Found the following.
Cheers,
Gary.
#Robert Chapman
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 08 Oct 1693
Event Place: , Chrishall, Essex, England
Residence Place: Of This Parish
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: #Rose Chipperfeild
Spouse's Residence Place: Of This Parish
Spouse's Gender: Female
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Dear Sir/Ms.
Looking for any info re the following.
George Phillips who m. as a Widower. No idea re his first marriage or his parents or any children via that marriage.
John The Evangelist, Langley
Marriage
6 Feb 1772 #George Phillips & #Mary Toofs both single and of parish
Marriage The Tofts were from Hertfordshire.
Mary Simmons m.
3 March 1801 #George Phillips & #Mary Simmons (hard to read her surname) both of the parish (can't find baptism or mention of Mary in PRs before parish)
One Witness was Bailey Simmons.
James Philipps & Eliza Bonneton with consent of parents were married by banns on 9 Feb 1824 No record re Eliza Bonneton
The marriage of Thomas Phillips to Peacock has no logic. It appears he m. Lydia Monk
Rebecca Ball m. 1688 Great Bardfield. No parents given.
Rebeacca Chapman
#Thomas Pomfrett
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
27 Apr 1724
Event Place:
Little Chesterford, Essex, England
Event Place (Original):
Little Chesterford, Essex, England
Gender:
Male
Spouse's Name:
#Rebecca Chapman
Spouse's Gender:
Female
Regards,
Gary
Australia.
Hi Gary,
I found your post by searching for Bailey Simmons. I think that he's one of my direct ancestors and actually more commonly spelled "Bailey Simmance" but I can well believe being written any number of different ways. He lived and died at Barley, Herts.
I would be really interested to know any other information about him or Mary Simmons (who I expect could be a sister). Bailey isn't a great deal of help in finding Mary's baptism though as he was baptised aged about 75 in Barley. His parents are referenced as being from Melbourn but as of yet I've not been able to identify them either.
Tracing the Simmance family is a pet mystery of mine so please let me know any info you might have! Just to add some difficulty I'm 90% sure they were non-conformists so presence in CoE records not guaranteed!
Best Wishes
Matt
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Hi Matt.
Thanks very much for that. Fantastic. I think there has been a cockup with the local dialect. I could not find parents for Bailey Simmance but I did find Mary Simmons as below. Have written to the Parish Council & will let you know what they find.
Cheers,
Gary.
Christening
Event Date: 2 Feb 1772
Event Place: Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Event Place (Original): St Marys, Watford, Hertford, England
Name: Mary Simmons
Sex: Female
Father's Name: Thomas Simmons
Father's Gender: Male
Mother's Name: Jane
Mother's Gender: Female
Marriage
Event Date: 2 May 1768
Event Place: Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Event Place (Original): St Marys, Watford, Hertford, England
Name: Thomas Simmons
Sex: Male
Spouse's Name: Jane Woodward
Spouse's Sex: Female
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Hi Matt.
Thanks very much for that. Fantastic. I think there has been a cockup with the local dialect. I could not find parents for Bailey Simmance but I did find Mary Simmons as below. Have written to the Parish Council & will let you know what they find.
Cheers,
Gary.
Christening
Event Date: 2 Feb 1772
Event Place: Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Event Place (Original): St Marys, Watford, Hertford, England
Name: Mary Simmons
Sex: Female
Father's Name: Thomas Simmons
Father's Gender: Male
Mother's Name: Jane
Mother's Gender: Female
Marriage
Event Date: 2 May 1768
Event Place: Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Event Place (Original): St Marys, Watford, Hertford, England
Name: Thomas Simmons
Sex: Male
Spouse's Name: Jane Woodward
Spouse's Sex: Female
Hi Gary,
Thanks for the info, how did you manage to narrow it down to being that Mary Simmons?
Yes there are certainly a lot of spellings going on locally for Simmons/Simmance. I'm pretty sure Bailey was illiterate so it seems likely Mary would be too.
Best Wishes
Matt
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Hi Matt.
There wouldn't be too many Bailey Simmons/Simminces & a Mary is shown as a sibling to Bailey Simmance. There is no Mary Simmance but a Mary Simmons.
Cheers,
Gary.
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Hi Gary,
Have you managed to find a Bailey Simmance born in Watford in a similar time period?
Best Wishes
Matt
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Hi Matt.
Will send you what I have found bit by bit.
Cheers,
Gary.
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Shaftno End, Barley, Buntingford & Royston, Hertfordshire, England
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Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Simmance Male 30 1811 Hertfordshire, England
Eliza Simmance Female 11 1830 Hertfordshire, England
Mary Ann Simmance Female 9 1832 Hertfordshire, England
Sarah Simmance Female 8 1833 Hertfordshire, England
John Simmance Male 6 1835 Hertfordshire, England
Esther Simmance Female 4 1837 Hertfordshire, England
Baily Simmance Male 70 1771 -
Esther Simmance Female 20 1821 Hertfordshire, England
Baily Simmance's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.
First name(s) Baily
Last name Simmance
Sex Male
Age 70
Birth year 1771
Birth county -
Birth place (other) -
House name -
House number -
Street Shaftno End
Shaftenhoe End
Parish / township Barley
Town -
City or borough -
Registration district Buntingford & Royston
County Hertfordshire
Country England
Occupation -
Family member first name(s) Mary, John, Esther, Eliza, Sarah
Family member last name Simmance
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 443
Book number 6
Folio number 11
Page number 16
Record set 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, England
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Record Transcription:
Index To Death Duty Registers 1796-1903
William Simmance
Census Record
Hertfordshire, England
Year of census: 1851
Record set Index To Death Duty Registers 1796-1903
First name(s) William
Last name Simmance
Death year 1820
County Hertfordshire
Court Pcc and Country Courts
Residence Barley
National Archives reference IR27/175
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Wills & Probate
Collections from Great Britain, England
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Bailey
Last name Simmance
Gender Male
Birth year 1772
Birth place -
Baptism year 1845
Baptism date 1845
Residence Barley, Hertfordshire, England
Place Barley
County Hertfordshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Simmance
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
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Hi Matt.
As i have said previously I have written to one of the Parish Councillors & I have just now written to the Church & the Archives for a copy of the Will of William Simmance.
Cheers,
Gary.
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Hi Matt.
Dear Gary Allison
Re: Bailey Simmance /family history
Thank you for contacting Hertfordshire Archives and Local Studies with your
enquiry. Due to the latest restrictions, the Archives remain closed to the
public and we do not yet have a date to reopen. This also means that staff are
working from home and
may take a little longer than usual to respond to enquiries. We are still
providing a remote research and copying service.
We hold the parish registers for churches in Hertfordshire and they are
available to view up to c1900 onwww.findmypast.co.uk
<http://www.findmypast.co.uk> a subscription site. A quick search for a
baptism
found one for him as an adult in 1845, at Barley (aged 76, 'born March 1772')
he gave his parent's names as William and Mary; his abode as 'Melbourne, now
Barley'. Presumably, this is the village of Melbourn just over the border in
Cambridgeshire and he was
born there.
On findmypast and www.ancestry.co.uk <http://www.ancestry.co.uk> you can also
search census returns from 1841 to 1911. Another site called FreeBMD
www.freebmd.org.uk <http://www.freebmd.org.uk>
has the General Register Office (GRO) indexes of births, marriages and deaths
for England and Wales from 1837 to around the 1980s. The information you find
on here will enable you to buy a copy of the civil certificate from the GRO at
www.gro.gov.uk <http://www.gro.gov.uk>
and they cost £11.00 each.
We also have a surname index on Hertfordshire Names
Online
<https://www.hertfordshire.gov.uk/ufs/HALS_INDEXES.eb?T_USER_ID=xyz_TEMP_99&UVISITOR=1_1614093545069&T_ORDER_ID=419655&SF_EXACT_SEARCH=false&ebd=0&ebz=1_1614093545069>
, a collection of databases. A search of the surname found 48 results with
that spelling, with references to marriages, the poor, crime and punishment and
newspapers etc. (The marriage of Bailey and Sarah Totman is listed, as taking
place on 2 June 1800).
>From the results listed on Hertfordshire Names Online, you would normally be
able to order a copy of the document (or view it in person for free).
Unfortunately, due to the United Kingdom’s recent departure from the European
Union, our policies and procedures
for fulfilling international orders have changed and we are in the process of
updating these. At this time, we are unable to complete any international
orders but hope to have this fixed in the next couple of months, if sooner.
It may also be worth contacting the Hertfordshire Family History Society at
https://www.hertsfhs.org.uk/ <https://www.hertsfhs.org.uk/> We hope this
helps, please do not hesitate to contact to contact again
us if we can help you further,
Yours sincerely,
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