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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: Slove on Sunday 26 July 20 10:07 BST (UK)
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This is my first post, so not sure of what to expect.
I am trying to research my maternal Grandmother's family history. I have recently received a copy of her Father's birth certificate, which states his date and place of birth as: 11/01/1878 at Taylors Row, Golden Cup, Lower Darwen.
His name was Daniel Donnelly and his parents were John Donnelly and Mary Donnelly nee Trainor.
For the life of me, I cannot seem to find anything on either John or Mary before an 1861 census, which places the young married couple in Wolsingham, Durham. At this time, they were respectively 24 and 18 years old, and had yet to have children.
Both John and Mary were born in Ireland. I know that their son (my Great Grandfather), Daniel was most definitely Roman Catholic, as my maternal Grandmother was cast out by her parents when she married my Grandfather (Protestant).
I have been unsuccessful in finding proof of the marriage between them, or how and when they travelled from Ireland.
Following a quick 'Google', I see that The Golden Cup is a bar in Darwen. Would his have been accommodation back in the late 1800s?
ANY help or information would be most gratefully received.
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Just posting 1881 details for reference - indexed as Donelley on Ancestry. All children below Mary A were b Lower Darwen. Big gap between Mary & Alexander but if you look at the 1881 image - there are 4 Donnelly girls shown as niece with the family above & all b Durham. Catherine 16 Sarah 14 Eliza 11 Theresa 7
John 45 b Armagh
Mary 37 b Down
Mary A 19 b Towlaw Durham
Alexander 9
John J 5
Daniel 3
RG11/4209/47/43
There was free passage between England & Ireland so there are no passenger records
No marriage showing in England
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Per GRO online - all with mmn Trainor. All as Donley & all in Durham
Mary 1861 Durham
Sarah Ann b 1866 Durham
Margaret 1871 Durham
Twins Bridget & Rose 1872
Agnes 1874
Donnelly - Jane 1876
Richard Trainor Donnelly 1865 Salford
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GRO online with mothers name spelled Trainer
Donelly, Catherine 1863 at Weardale
Donelly, Sarah Jane 1865 at Weardale
Donnelly, Bridget 1867 at Weardale died 1868 age 0
Donnelly, Elizabeth 1869 at Weardale
Donnelly, Alexander 1871 at Weardale
Donnelly, Theresa 1873 at Weardale
Donnelly, John James 1875 at Blackburn
Donnelly, Daniel 1878 at Blackburn
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Transcription only possibility
John Donnelly married Mary Winstanly or Traynor 31 March 1872 St Nicholas Liverpool
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1871 census there is an Elizabeth Trainor age 22 living with them is she Mary's sister?
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No connection to Liverpool from census info and that Mary Winstanley/Traynor was previously married
Don’t think it can be the same couple as Mary was only born 1843/44 and was having Donnelly children in 1863
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Oh my Goodness! I can see some similarities with the information I have gathered!! I'm rather new to all this, but I can see from the 1881 census that an Elizabeth Curran has neices living with her, next door to the Donnellys. This could well be Mary's sister.
Thank you so very much for all your obvious hard work in helping me shed some light
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It's been a while since my last post, and I'm frustratingly no nearer finding anything out about Mary and John. In reply to the previous post, dated 30th July 2020, I think Elizabeth could well be Mary's sister, as in the 1871 census John and Mary appear to have an Elizabeth Trainor, aged 22, as a servant.
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Do you have their marriage details - fathers’ names and witnesses?
In 1861 there are Donnellys and Trainers (maybe spelling variations) in Wolsingham. They could be relatives.
Baptisms are often a good source with sponsors who could be relatives.
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For the life of me, I cannot seem to find anything on either John or Mary before an 1861 census
They were probably still in Ireland.
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Oh my Goodness! I can see some similarities with the information I have gathered!! I'm rather new to all this, but I can see from the 1881 census that an Elizabeth Curran has neices living with her, next door to the Donnellys. This could well be Mary's sister.
The ages of the two Elizabeths do not match.
1871 4953/60/40
Elizabeth Trainor 22 yrs boarder b Ireland
At the same time there is in Tow Law
1871 4954/7/7
John Curran 42 yrs
Elizabeth Curran 45 yrs
Then in 1881, you have Elizabeth Curran 53 yrs Staymaker b Kilmegan, Down
With her brother in law William Curran and Donelley nieces
1901 4663/9/10
Elizabeth and William are back in Tow Law
She would seem to be related as 1881 but maybe not Mary’s sister.
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Just found this :)
1891 4085/80
ThornleybRoad End, Tow Law
Elizabeth Carran 70 yrs retired Stays maker b Ireland
William Carran boarder 55 yrs Coke Drawer b Ireland
Danial Trainer lodger 72 yrs retired Iron Worker b Ireland
Ann Trainer 74 yrs b Ireland
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1871 4954/6/6
Daniel and Anna Trainer plus two sons, Daniel 17yrs and John 15yrs
And boarders including John Murray 40 yrs,
John Traner b 1856 Weardale mmn Morray
1861 3728/5/4
Transcribed as Tramer plus John Murray
If these were your Mary’s parents, she would be married locally , you would think.