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Title: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: rosh132 on Sunday 26 July 20 13:13 BST (UK)
Hi, I'm wondering if anyone can shed any more light on Edwin/Edward Kennard b.c.1804. On his son's marriage certificate his occupation is 'colour sergeant' and I'm trying to establish if the Edwin John Kennard, discharged aged 35 and collected a Chelsea pension is the same person. The dates seem to fit but I need more than that to prove the link. Any info you can shed on this would be helpful. (There's no chance I can get to Kew right now and look for myself, I live too far away!)
Thanks.
Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 26 July 20 15:19 BST (UK)
Welcome to rootschat

This entry on TNA website mentions that the record is available on FindMyPast
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8780301
Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: MaxD on Sunday 26 July 20 15:22 BST (UK)
Served Jun 1824 to Oct 1839.  Born St Pancras -  overseas 1829-1838, said he was 20 years of age in Jun 1824.  Reached the rank of sergeant in Nov 1828 but not colour sergeant.

Does that help?

MaxD
Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: rosh132 on Sunday 26 July 20 15:36 BST (UK)
Thank you rosie99.
MaxD, that is a bit more info, thank you. To be honest I don't know the difference between sergeant and colour sergeant!
Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: MaxD on Sunday 26 July 20 19:01 BST (UK)
Colour sergeant would be the next step up the promotion ladder, his promotions are clear on his record and end at sergeant.

MaxD
Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 26 July 20 20:18 BST (UK)
On the "son's marriage certificate" what is the father's name -  Edwin? Edward? or is it difficult to read?
Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: rosh132 on Sunday 02 August 20 20:53 BST (UK)
Thanks MaxD. He died when the son was a child so I guess by the time he got married he could have exaggerated or got it wrong. The daughter's marriage certificate, if I have the right one, says 'officer in the army'.

hanes teulu – it says Edward. The names seem interchangeable in the census. I'm intrigued, why do you ask?
Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: hanes teulu on Monday 03 August 20 10:48 BST (UK)
The army service record for Edwin John Kennard includes the date 12 May 1804. His trade was "Trunk Maker"

FindMyPast has the baptism (transcript/image) of -
Edwin John Kennaird, born 12 May 1804, baptised 29 Oct 1807, place St Paul, Covent Garden, parents George and Sarah.

What's the source of the "b.c 1804" for the "Edwin/Edward" mentioned in post#1? 

 
Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: rosh132 on Friday 21 August 20 18:37 BST (UK)
Hi hana teulu,
Sorry it's taken me a while to reply. Thank for the added information about him being a trunk maker.

I have census record from 1841 in St Andrew Holborn (Above the bars), Middlesex. He's 35, living with Ann Kinnaird (b.Ireland) age 20, Emma Kinnaird age 21months and Sarah Woolcomb, age 14 a female servant. No trace of their marriage.

Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 22 August 20 10:30 BST (UK)
1. Edwin John Kennaird, born 12 May 1804, bap 29 Oct 1807, Covent Garden
2. Edwin John Kennard attested 5 June 1824, aged 20 (born c. 1804), born St. Pancras. One of the pages of his army record is endorsed "12 May 1804, long face" - date of birth and physical description?
3. Edwin Kennard, 1841 Census, age 35 (born 1802-1806 - ages rounded in'41), Holborn.

An Edward John Kennard died Holborn, Jun Qtr 1841, vol 2 page 77. Can find entry on FindMyPast and FreeBMD but unable to find on GRO to confirm age at death.

The 12 May 1804 date provides a strong link between Covent Garden birth and attestation. You mention "the names (Edwin/Edward) seem interchangeable in the Census" - do you have Edward/Edwin after 1841?   

 
Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: Annette7 on Saturday 22 August 20 12:23 BST (UK)
Who was the 'son' - when/where born?

As has been stated, Edward John Kennard died 24/6/1841 Holborn (where family were in 1841 census) so son could only have been born 1841/early 1842. (death entry on GRO index states aged 37).

Annette
Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 22 August 20 13:17 BST (UK)
I was wondering about the son. Hoped to find birth registration to determine Ann Kennard's maiden name.
Re. GRO index, I drew a blank finding an entry for the Edward John Kennard I'd spotted on FindMyPast and FreeBMD, under exact name or variations. Retried after seeing your response but still drew a blank. So, logged out of GRO and logged back in immediately. Lo and behold the GRO now delivered a result under exact search. Must try harder! 
Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: rosh132 on Saturday 22 August 20 18:25 BST (UK)
Amazing bit of research hanes teulu, thank you.
Annette7, I'm beginning to think that Edwin isn't Edward's biological father. Edwin and Ann have Emma in 1840, listed together in 1841 census. I've just found the record for Ann in the workhouse with new born Edward, Oct 1848. Edward takes the surname but I can't find any record where his father is named.
Emma and Edward are together in 1851 listed as visitors, with a couple who go on to adopt Edward by 1861.
It's a bit of a mystery...
Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 22 August 20 19:06 BST (UK)
FindMyPast has transcribed surname as Kennon - with Henry and Rebecca Knowles in '51?
Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 22 August 20 19:15 BST (UK)
Is Edward the Edward Cannard, registered Dec Qtr 1848, Marylebone, vol 1 page 232 - no mother's maiden name recorded on GRO?
Title: Re: KENNARD Serjeant in 65th Foot?
Post by: rosh132 on Monday 24 August 20 11:06 BST (UK)
Hi hana teulu,

Yes, to both. It has taken me a long time to discover this because ancestry transcribed it as 'Herman'.

No evidence of a baptism. I'm wondering if he had a Roman Catholic baptism as his mother was Irish?? Just an idea.