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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Orkney => Topic started by: turramurra on Monday 27 July 20 01:18 BST (UK)
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Magnus GROUNDWATER b.1771
Parents John Groundwater b.1745 and Margaret Nisbet /Isbister b.1750.
Any family members please who eventually came to Australia?
Turramurra
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I learn something new every day. From the Internet.
Last name: Groundwater
This interesting name with variant spellings, Groundwator and Grundwater, is of locational origin from a place so called in Orphir, Orkney Islands, Scotland. The placename derives from the Old English pre 7th Century "grand" ground, plus "waeter" water, hence "groundwater".
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My wife has a C19th relative Jessie Groundwater who migrated I think to New Zealand. Will turn details up.
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FreeREG has the Bapt of Magnus 07 Jul 1771 and has his Mother as Margaret ISBISTER
Father a Seaman
Marriage;
0 Mar 1765
Margt. ISBISTER
John GROUNDWATER
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Thank you to the two researchers who kindly suggested Groundwater ancestors.
I am trying to find an Australian connection from Magnus Groundwater in Orkney
Hope we can find a family link
Turramurra
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Best bet is the Orkney Family History Society,
https://orkneyfhs.co.uk/home.php
Skoosh.
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I found this list;
https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/GROUNDWATER
Is there someone on there you are trying to link back to Magnus?
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Thank you to both replies
Excellent help for GROUNDWATER.
Corowa in Victoria and Sydney NSW were places of GROUNDWATER habitation.
Good to have these brain puzzles in lockdown especially as usual volunteer work has ceased!
rootschat is a group of caring researchers THANK YOU All!
Turramurra
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As promised the following people named Groundwater appear in my wife's tree:Thomas Groundwater who married Janet REid 17 November 1831 Orphir Orkney she died at Kirkwall in 1842 Margaret b1833 Janet Pollexfen b1836 (the connection to my wife's tree) Thomas Flett (1838) and Isabella (1842). The connection was in Australia, and not New Zealand as I said earlier
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Thank you,
VERY helpful information,
Do you know where in Australia please ?
Working on this family today with new research,
Hope any other GROUNDWATERs will be located before long.
Magnus GROUNDWATER was obviously named after St Magnus in ORKNEY.
Looking at the scenic documentary about these peaceful isles one longs to travel...
not for now sadly...
Turramurra
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William GROUNDWATER born 10th May 1803 in Kirkwall ORKNEY,
wrote a
"A Brief Narrative of a Working Man"
This was entered into competition.
If there are copies of this autobiographical narrative around today would anyone be able to shine a light on one please?
William married Helen Baxter in 1831 in Edinburgh Scotland.
His son John R. Groundwater, born 6th April 1840 was my ancestor.
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I made a mistake with GROUNDWATER coming to Australia.
NOT to VICTORIA but South Australia
Turramurra
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Melbourne, married in the very wealthy dairy company Hutchinson family
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Would anyone have a photograph or an idea about GROUNDWATER graves in ORKNEY Scotland
at church or cemetery?
Trying to locate GROUNDWATER graves in this area please
Turramurra
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Isabel Petrie married Magnus GROUNDWATER at the end of the 1700's
their children were Robert born 1797 and William 1804
Could anyone please find this record
Turramurra
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Marriage entry from Parish Record is on FreeREG;
25 Feb 1797
Witnesses, George PETTRIE/Isabella GROUNDWATER
Roberts Bapt is on there also 20 Dec 1797 (birth 4 Dec 1797), Fathers occupation Mariner
William (Grundwater) Bapt 03 Jul 1803 (birth 19 May 1803)
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Would anyone have a photograph or an idea about GROUNDWATER graves in ORKNEY Scotland
at church or cemetery?
Trying to locate GROUNDWATER graves in this area please
Turramurra
The Orkney Family History Society has grave transcriptions on their website. You might get something from that. They also have a search function which allows you to see how many people there were of any given name in Orkney in the Scottish censuses 1841 onwards. There were roughly 100 Groundwaters.
https://orkneyfhs.co.uk/home.php
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there are Groundwater graves in nearly every cemetery in Orkney, if you join the Orkney Family History Society you will find lots of information to help you, its very reasonable and can be done online with a credit/debit card. Orphir burials are at The Bu or St Nicholas Church, if you google it you will find lots of info
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi03KrE_IHrAhWYQhUIHdM8BU4QFjADegQIBxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk%2Fwestmainland%2Forphirchurch%2Findex.html&usg=AOvVaw1BD_U8oyi1n_hZIC4FM1x-
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Isabel Petrie married Magnus GROUNDWATER at the end of the 1700's
their children were Robert born 1797 and William 1804
Could anyone please find this record
Turramurra
I have been wondering for some time whether this Robert is the same man who married Margaret Eunson in Leith on 10 July 1818, and who was a shoemaker in Tollbooth Wynd in Leith.
While I'm at it, Margaret's father was George Eunson - she was born in Leith, but I wonder if George was an Orcadian? I'm purely guessing from the surname, and the Groundwater link.
Can anyone shed any light?
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Thank you for this reply brooksburns
In this coming week a Groundwater researcher and I are having morning tea and look at all aspects of family history.
I will have some ideas about your request after our meeting.
Thank you for the suggestion and also the P.M.
Until then,
happy sleuthing!
Turramurra.
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In this coming week a Groundwater researcher and I are having morning tea and look at all aspects of family history.
I will have some ideas about your request after our meeting.
Excellent! Good luck! I can't wait to hear back from you.
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Black in his Surnames gives the origin as the place-name Grundwatter in Orphir, Alexander in Gyre,Orphir died in 1686, Edward in Tankerness was captured by the pressgang in 1812.
An Orkney Groundwater was concerned in the horrible murder of Janet Cornfoot a supposed witch in Pittenweem, Fife, 1705.
Bests,
Skoosh.
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After a morning of careful research for the marriage of Robert GROUNDWATER and
Margaret Eunson
nothing yet has come to light.
Sorry Brooksburns.
However we have not found the death of Robert Groundwater either.
I wonder if anyone would be kind enough to help please ?
Freezing here in Sydney 9 degrees coldest day for 25 years!
Turramurra
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any relation ??
https://gw.geneanet.org/duncan68?lang=en&pz=sean+douglas&nz=duncan+davies&p=robert&n=groundwater
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you might want to browse through these and see if any register with you - warning - there is over 1,800 to view
https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?exact_day=&exact_month=&exact_year=&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&size=10&type_periode=between&sexe=&nom=groundwater&ignore_each_patronyme=&prenom=&prenom_operateur=or&ignore_each_prenom=&place__0__=&zonegeo__0__=Orkney+Isles%2C+Scotland%2C+United+Kingdom&country__0__=GBR®ion__0__=SCT&subregion__0__=OKI&place__1__=&zonegeo__1__=&country__1__=®ion__1__=&subregion__1__=&place__2__=&zonegeo__2__=&country__2__=®ion__2__=&subregion__2__=&place__3__=&zonegeo__3__=&country__3__=®ion__3__=&subregion__3__=&place__4__=&zonegeo__4__=&country__4__=®ion__4__=&subregion__4__=&type_periode=between&from=&to=&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&go=1
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Page 1
3rd record from the bottom
MARRIAGE
Magnus Groundwater to Elizabeth Laughton - Kirkwall and St Ola , Orkney
I think it is about £7 to view 10 records - register for free and then look at PREMIUM PAYMENT -
https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?exact_day=&exact_month=&exact_year=&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&size=10&type_periode=between&sexe=&nom=groundwater&ignore_each_patronyme=&prenom=magnus&prenom_operateur=or&ignore_each_prenom=&place__0__=&zonegeo__0__=Orkney+Isles%2C+Scotland%2C+United+Kingdom&country__0__=GBR®ion__0__=SCT&subregion__0__=OKI&place__1__=&zonegeo__1__=&country__1__=®ion__1__=&subregion__1__=&place__2__=&zonegeo__2__=&country__2__=®ion__2__=&subregion__2__=&place__3__=&zonegeo__3__=&country__3__=®ion__3__=&subregion__3__=&place__4__=&zonegeo__4__=&country__4__=®ion__4__=&subregion__4__=&type_periode=between&from=&to=&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&go=1
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While I'm at it, Margaret's father was George Eunson - she was born in Leith, but I wonder if George was an Orcadian? I'm purely guessing from the surname, and the Groundwater link.
Can anyone shed any light?
this one is the right age
https://gw.geneanet.org/pcopland?n=eunson&oc=1&p=george
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Re your query brooksburns.
I have been wondering for some time whether this Robert is the same man who married Margaret Eunson in Leith on 10 July 1818, and who was a shoemaker in Tollbooth Wynd in Leith.
Appears to me he is the same man, 1851 he is born c 1799 Kirkwall, Orkney.
Looks like he had a second Marriage 1833 to Helen Wishark.
If he died after 1855 ScotlandsPeople will have his death cert.
Trish :)
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Thanks Trish, I agree it looks good from the 1851 - but with several missing documents I don't feel it's quite clinched. If only I could find Margaret's death record - or if Robert's second marriage record said he was a widower (it doesn't say either way) - then I'd say it was job done.
Aaaah (re Robert's death), he died before 1855 Jun 04, thanks to his son William's marriage certificate. At least that narrows it down.
Thanks all for your comments, it's renewed my energies, I will have a thorough look through all the related documents I've found and see what more I can work out.
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I think I've found the extra evidence I wanted that Magnus Groundwater and Isabella Petrie are my ancestors.
"My" Robert named his son William Baxter Groundwater. Unless there's something I'm missing about the name Baxter (? scrutiny welcomed!), then this strengthens the evidence that he is the brother of that William Groundwater who married Helen Baxter. (Besides this, as I already knew, both brothers were shoemakers, and it looks likely that Robert is in the 1851 census as born in Kirkwall.) And thanks to the elder William holding out till 1873, I can see from his death certificate that Magnus Groundwater and Isabella Petrie were his parents.
Robert moved to Leith. Some branches of his descendants have been in Edinburgh constantly since then.
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Rather a difficult request but wondered about Oman Groundwater...
Could he have been the father of John Groundwater, born 1745.
John married Margaret Nisbet born 1750.
Their son, Magnus born 1771 married Isabel Petrie, born 1776.
their sons were Robert born 1797 and William 1804.
Oman is an unusual name but it could have been incorrectly spelt.
Turramurra
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Geneanet has
Oman Groundwater married Isobel Groundwater
2 daughters
Isobell and Katherine -there is another birth but no name given
https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?size=10&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&type_periode=between&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&sexe=&nom=groundwater&ignore_each_patronyme=&prenom=oman&prenom_operateur=or&ignore_each_prenom=&place__0__=&zonegeo__0__=Orkney+Isles%2C+Scotland%2C+United+Kingdom&country__0__=GBR®ion__0__=SCT&subregion__0__=OKI&place__1__=&zonegeo__1__=&country__1__=®ion__1__=&subregion__1__=&place__2__=&zonegeo__2__=&country__2__=®ion__2__=&subregion__2__=&place__3__=&zonegeo__3__=&country__3__=®ion__3__=&subregion__3__=&place__4__=&zonegeo__4__=&country__4__=®ion__4__=&subregion__4__=&type_periode=between&from=&to=&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&go=1
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I don't think Oman is a misspelling, it seems to be a local name.
https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Oman
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=677629.0
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I'm happy you found evidence brooksburns :)
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Me again.
I'd love to find Robert Groundwater's death, 1851-1855, probably in Leith, shoemaker, birth about 1797, husband of Helen m.s. Wishark. I haven't been able to turn up anything in statutory or parish records. I suppose there must be a misspelling in the index, or something.
Can anyone help?
(He is not the watchmaker who died in Kirkwall in July 1850, son of Edward.)
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Wishart. ;
Skoosh.
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Wishart. ;
Skoosh.
Oh yes, you're right. It's Wishark on the marriage record, but Wishart on the children's baptisms and on her own death certificate.
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Hi,
Sorry to revive an old thread but looking into family history as my grandmother passed recently, we originated from the same family line from what I can find. We can to Australia by Captain George Groundwater, sailing to Maryborough QLD. From my research we also link back to the same Magnus and I think I've correctly pieced together a family tree to the late 1500s on Ancestry.
Thanks,
Beau.