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Title: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: c more on Monday 27 July 20 07:24 BST (UK)
Help please.
I am having trouble finding 3 children of George HILL and Sarah after 1861.
Hoping some one can find something.
1861 Census shows them living at High Ham Somerset.
George HILL 67 ba1794 High Ham widower
Peter HILL  26 ba1835  High Ham
Jane HILL 16 ba1845 High Ham
Hester HILL 14 ba1847 High Ham
I cannot trace Peter, Jane or Hester after 1861
Peter HILL was baptised Simon Peter HILL in 1834
Thank you
Leonie
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 27 July 20 10:13 BST (UK)
Is this Hester (Esther) with sister Phoebe Hill at 12 Howland Street St Pancras in the 1871 census?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7619/images/LNDRG10_209_211-0201
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 27 July 20 10:43 BST (UK)
Not what you asked for but have you got the marriage for

George Hill
to
Sarah Meaker
13/01/1827
High Ham

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: Kloumann on Monday 27 July 20 10:47 BST (UK)
Good find, ShaunJ
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: Kloumann on Monday 27 July 20 11:10 BST (UK)
Is this Jane, who has changed her name to Lucy J on 1881 census in London?

Could not find any births of a Lucy that would match near Langport

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK6R-RZV7

Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: rosie17 on Monday 27 July 20 11:11 BST (UK)
There is also a marriage for a Phabe Hill 18 March 1876 St Giles Camden to a William Thornton
Bateson one of the witnesses was a Lucy J Hill ..could this be Jane ?

Rosie
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: c more on Tuesday 28 July 20 08:54 BST (UK)
Thank you every one for your help. :-*
 So it looks like Jane changed her name to Lucy J. HILL
Found on the 1871 census and the 1881 census. :)
Hester is Esther found on the 1871 census. 
Wonder what happened to Simon Peter HILL ???

Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: c more on Tuesday 28 July 20 09:20 BST (UK)
Ok just found Hester/Esther HILL.
There is a marriage 8 JAN 1883 St Marys Lambeth for an Esther BEDFORD nee HILL aged 34 Widow to John GROGEN. Her father is George HILL. Witness to the marriage is Deborah HILL. Deborah HILL is her niece, only child of Rowland HILL.
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 28 July 20 09:32 BST (UK)
There's a marriage on 14 May 1876 at Stanhope Street Methodist Chapel, George Henry Bedford, 29, organ builder, 29 Grafton Terrace, and Esther Hill, 25. No other information on the Methodist register.
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: c more on Tuesday 28 July 20 09:43 BST (UK)
Thanks Shaun.
Found Probate for George Henry BEDFORD who died 4 Sept 1879.
But now having trouble finding Esther/Hester GROGEN. ???
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 28 July 20 10:43 BST (UK)
Simon/Peter
Have you tried just putting his surname into the 1871, place of birth and approx. date, and check from there, I haven't found him yet, nuisance with alternative name

LM
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 28 July 20 10:50 BST (UK)
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There is a marriage 8 JAN 1883 St Marys Lambeth for an Esther BEDFORD nee HILL aged 34 Widow to John GROGEN.

That John Grogen was a horse keeper.

There's a John Grogan, 23, a horse keeper, lodging in Acorn Place, Peckham in the 1881 census, born Ireland.
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: c more on Tuesday 28 July 20 11:11 BST (UK)
Thanks LM I have tried but im finding nothing.
Thanks Shaun I did see that 1881 census, for John GROGEN Horse keeper born Ireland but nothing after that for him or Esther.  ::)
Also Esther has a son with on the 1881 census. Charles BEDFORD born ? Middlesex London.
Cannot make out the age but index shows aged 9 ba 1872. Esther didn't marry George Henry BEDFORD until 1876 so maybe not her son but perhaps her stepson ???
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 28 July 20 11:27 BST (UK)
Strange, so far can't find a death for him either,  I have come to the conclusion some never want to be found, got 2 of my own like that

LM
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 28 July 20 11:53 BST (UK)
George Bedford on 1871
RG/231 FOLIO 103 PAGE 29
Single
occ organ grinder
born Yorks

Cant find Charles as yet

LM
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: c more on Tuesday 28 July 20 12:13 BST (UK)
Thanks LM Simon Peter HILL seems to just disappear.
 
I have found Lucy Jane HILL she marries Frank/Francis Hethorn WATSON in 1901
Frank Watson dies in 1901
Lucy Jane WATSON dies 28 Jan 1904, She is buried at  Highgate Cemetery East.
She is buried with her sister in law Mary Ann Telitha HILL who was married to Rowland HILL.
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: c more on Tuesday 28 July 20 12:18 BST (UK)
Thank You.
People on here are amazing. ;D
So now just have to work out what happened to
Simon Peter HILL
Esther/Hester HILL/ BEDFORD/GROGEN
Thanks Leonie
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 28 July 20 12:29 BST (UK)
Charles even, can't quite read his age on 1881,
LM
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 29 July 20 10:05 BST (UK)
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So now just have to work out what happened to
Simon Peter HILL

There's a possible marriage in Bedminster in 1862. Peter Hill, 25, father George, married Ann Thomas.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/61686/images/engl0082d_p-st-pbed-r-2-a_m_00104

In the 1870 US census there's a Peter (35)  and Ann Hill (30), both from England, in the township of Grand Blanc, Genesee County, Michigan. He's a farmer.

Just possibilities!
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: c more on Wednesday 29 July 20 10:28 BST (UK)
Thanks Shaun.
I will check that out that Peter HILL.
I found a marriage certificate on a tree for Charles BEDFORD aged 29 to Kathleen JONES on the  28 Nov 1900 Registry Office, Oamaru, New Zealand. Certificate shows his father as George BEDSON Organ Builder and mother Esther GORGAN formerly BEDFORD Maiden name HILL.
So definitely the correct Charles BEDFORD.
But still no luck with what happened to Esther/Hester.
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 29 July 20 10:50 BST (UK)
There are quite a few references to Charles Bedford in the NZ papers. Here are a couple

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTIM19200910.2.29

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TDN19151207.2.51
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 29 July 20 10:56 BST (UK)
John and Esther Grogan were en route to New Zealand in June 1883:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ESD18830723.2.23?items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=esther+grogan&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: c more on Wednesday 29 July 20 11:23 BST (UK)
WOW thank you. :) :)
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 29 July 20 11:26 BST (UK)
You have done well Shaun with this family they have been very hard to find
There is a death for a Esther Grogan 1898 Dunedin  New Zealand
Age 52 years birth year 1846
Also probate record on www.familysearch.org

Rosie
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: c more on Wednesday 29 July 20 11:52 BST (UK)
Thank you.
Probate links her to son Charles BEDSON.
So its the correct Esther GROGAN
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 29 July 20 12:06 BST (UK)
Quote from: ShaunJ on Wednesday 29 July 20 10:05 BST (UK)
Quote
So now just have to work out what happened to
Simon Peter HILL

There's a possible marriage in Bedminster in 1862. Peter Hill, 25, father George, married Ann Thomas.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/61686/images/engl0082d_p-st-pbed-r-2-a_m_00104

In the 1870 US census there's a Peter (35)  and Ann Hill (30), both from England, in the township of Grand Blanc, Genesee County, Michigan. He's a farmer.

Just possibilities!


Wonder if this is him Shaun he appears on the 1880 census with a middle name Peter J Hill
There is this death for a Peter James Hill 22/11/1899
Detroit Wayne  Michigan
Birth Year 1837 England
Father George Hill
Mother --Markey
Probate record mentions 2 sisters residing in London
Phobe Hill and Jennie

Rosie
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: c more on Wednesday 29 July 20 13:02 BST (UK)
It could be him.
Fathers name correct.
Mothers maiden name MARKEY close to MEAKER
Sisters in London Phebe Yes, Jennie could be Jane/Lucy.
Checked the marriage to Ann THOMAS. No other info on there that helps.
I have checked for a Peter HILL ba 1834/37 with father George on the 1851 and 1861 census and the only one that comes up is the one in High Ham.




Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 29 July 20 13:11 BST (UK)
Yes thought the mothers name could be mistaken for Meaker  ;D this family don't make it easy with all the name changes  ???..Still looking for the wife Ann Hill there does not seem to be any family for this couple

Rosie
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 29 July 20 13:20 BST (UK)
What fantastic information you have found Rosie

LM
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 29 July 20 13:30 BST (UK)
Louisa definitely a hard family to find its been bugging me  :D

Rosie
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 29 July 20 13:45 BST (UK)
To be honest I feel pleased to get stuck I to something other than what is going on in the world right now,  you did really well

LM
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 29 July 20 13:50 BST (UK)
Information from Shaun helped and your right Louisa its good to have something to keep us occupied with all that is going on at the moment  :)

Rosie
Title: Re: Brick Wall. HILL High Ham Somerset
Post by: louisa maud on Wednesday 29 July 20 14:10 BST (UK)
Yes and Shaun, the newspaper reports were very enlightening

LM