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Title: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: Kloumann on Monday 27 July 20 15:52 BST (UK)
Martin Burke, 22, married Jane Beard, 18, 1st Jan, 1920 in Manchester Registry Office.

Father's names were Martin Burke & Samuel Beard (Deceased)

The occupation of all 4 was Fruit Hawker.

Martin died, age 51, on 24th Aug 1948 in Wythenshawe Sanitorium

I am trying to find Martin's birth either in UK or Ireland. Can anyone help with this one.

I have found 5 children from the marriage for clues to his mother's name. The 1st child was named Mary.
I have been searching the 1901 & 1911 census both in Lancashire & Ireland for Martins with father Martin & mother, Mary. Have found some but cannot be certain.
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 July 20 16:04 BST (UK)
Did Jane die pre-1939 as I can’t see an entry .  Thought it may help to have his full birthdate

EDIT

Can’t see a death pre 1939

Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 July 20 16:11 BST (UK)
Daughter was b 1943 (died 1943 ) so Jane definitely alive in 1939
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: heywood on Monday 27 July 20 16:15 BST (UK)
Where was he living on his marriage?
Do the witness names help?
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: Kloumann on Monday 27 July 20 16:25 BST (UK)
Hi Heywood.

He was living at 33 Burton Street, Manchester.

Witnesses, J. Bamford & J. Davies. No help I'm Afraid

Hi Carole

There were 6 children. Had missed out that last one.
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: heywood on Monday 27 July 20 19:03 BST (UK)
Hard to find.
Do you have Martin in 1939 register?
Do you have Jane’s death?
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: Kloumann on Monday 27 July 20 19:18 BST (UK)
Could not find them or the children in the 1939 register.

I have e mailed my friend for his Gmother's death details if he knows.
Added (He does not know)

There is one in 1961, Manchester that could be it
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 July 20 20:42 BST (UK)
Jane was b Dec qtr 1902 and there is a Jane Burke b 1901 in the Prestwich asylum - married

Nothing for any of the children but they were all under 21 in 1939 so possibly entries are still redacted
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: heywood on Monday 27 July 20 21:17 BST (UK)
Yes I wondered about her Carole but then there is that 1943 birth and death?
Maybe that birth certificate would help.

Lancashire BMD shows that birth registered sub-district Crumpsall Hospital.
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: heywood on Monday 27 July 20 21:26 BST (UK)
Quote from: CaroleW on Monday 27 July 20 20:42 BST (UK)
Jane was b Dec qtr 1902 and there is a Jane Burke b 1901 in the Prestwich asylum - married

Nothing for any of the children but they were all under 21 in 1939 so possibly entries are still redacted

Where was Jane born? Do you have her in 1911, Carole?
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 July 20 21:30 BST (UK)
Her birth was registered in Manchester and 1911 shows that as her birthplace
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: heywood on Monday 27 July 20 21:38 BST (UK)
Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 July 20 21:48 BST (UK)
Son Martin b 20.2.1923 died 1971 Manchester

Daughter Rita (married name Casey) b 19.10.1931 died 1997 Salford 

I would have expected their 1939 entries to be available

Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: Kloumann on Monday 27 July 20 23:58 BST (UK)
Jane in 1911 census

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW1H-GN7

I think her MMN was Marshall but her younger brother, Samuel (after his father) had a different MMN... Dixon. Strange. When Samuel the father died, (death date unknown) Her mother, Jane remarried James Franklin. (again could not find the marriage)
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: barryd on Tuesday 28 July 20 04:54 BST (UK)
Martin Burke born Manchester area 1895/1900

Martin Burke June 1895
Martin Joseph Burke Sep 1897
Martin Burke Sept 1900
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 28 July 20 08:14 BST (UK)
Quote from: Kloumann on Monday 27 July 20 23:58 BST (UK)
Jane in 1911 census

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW1H-GN7

I think her MMN was Marshall but her younger brother, Samuel (after his father) had a different MMN... Dixon. Strange. When Samuel the father died, (death date unknown) Her mother, Jane remarried James Franklin. (again could not find the marriage)

There is a Samuel Beard mmn Dixon born 1905 Rochdale. This child is in 1911 with mother and Dixon grandparents in Rochdale.
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 28 July 20 08:36 BST (UK)
I know I am going off the main search here with regard to Jane (mother of Jane).

I can’t see a Beard marriage, nor a Franklin marriage as you say.

1901 3423/160/30
Shows Samuel and Janey Beard both b Manchester, 1877,  living in Liverpool. He is a Hawker.

James Franklin is a Fruit Hawker in 1911.

Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 28 July 20 08:52 BST (UK)
I don't mind going off the main search as I am struggling with the Beard side also.

I could not find either marriages for Janey to Samuel or James & a birth for Samuel Jnr

Again, a death for Samuel Snr is also elusive

Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: Kloumann on Tuesday 28 July 20 11:04 BST (UK)
I came across this Martin Burke in 1911 census. He is listed as adopted.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWYK-72S

There was a Martin Burke born M Q 1897 Chorlton, MMN Murray which could be linked to the above

Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: lancsann on Tuesday 28 July 20 11:24 BST (UK)
is this one a possibility - except it is 1899 and I would have expected earlier

Name:   Martinus Barke (mistranscribed - should be Burke)
[Martin Barke]
Baptism Date:   9 Jul 1899
Baptism Place:   Killursa, Galway, Ireland
Father:   Martinus Barke
Mother:   Marga Burke (difficult to read)
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: Kloumann on Thursday 30 July 20 12:31 BST (UK)
Looks like I will have to wait for the 1921 census to solve this one!

I was also thinking that these fruit hawkers were all travelling people  which may explain the missing marriages.
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: heywood on Thursday 30 July 20 12:48 BST (UK)
I don’t think all were travellers. For some I suppose it was just a way of earning a living.
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: Maiden Stone on Thursday 30 July 20 15:03 BST (UK)
Re reply #21. They may have sold fruit from a market or street stall or barrow.
Title: Re: Martin Burke, born circa 1897 Manchester or Ireland?
Post by: heywood on Thursday 30 July 20 15:05 BST (UK)
That’s what I understand a hawker to have done, Maiden Stone.