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Title: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: tcoyle20 on Monday 27 July 20 17:48 BST (UK)
I received a big old box of unmarked photos and these three tintypes appear to be taken around the same time, but I don't really know when. I do know that there were two sets of immigrants that came to Rochester, NY in my family. Coyle and Hayes families from Ireland and the Link family from Germany came around 1850. Krenzer and Kesel families came around 1880 from Germany. I cannot tell which family these tintypes may be attributed to, my guess is that they are the Irish family/ies and the date is closer to 1870, but it would be great to have more than my guess to work from. I would be grateful for any guidance.
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 27 July 20 23:12 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome to RootsChat, I'm thinking that the first one could be 1870s and the other two 1880s.
Carol
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: tcoyle20 on Tuesday 28 July 20 18:18 BST (UK)
Hi Carol, and thanks for looking at these photos. In the first photo from the 1870s, is the girl or boy older? Is the girl potentially one year older?
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 28 July 20 18:57 BST (UK)
It's possible...she looks smaller than the boy but appears more mature.
Carol
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: Erato on Tuesday 28 July 20 19:06 BST (UK)
I think the boy looks older.
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: IgorStrav on Tuesday 28 July 20 21:41 BST (UK)
Me too, Erato - but they are definitely very close in age.
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: Erato on Tuesday 28 July 20 21:56 BST (UK)
Maybe they're twins. 
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 28 July 20 22:20 BST (UK)
Maybe they're twins.

I considered  that too, you always get one smaller than the other.

Carol
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: Erato on Tuesday 28 July 20 22:46 BST (UK)
My mother had a twin brother and there was a set of boy/girl twins in my grandfather's family, too.  In both cases, the parents dressed them in sort of matching outfits.  But maybe not all parents tried to dress twins the same.
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 28 July 20 23:27 BST (UK)
Hi
IMO the children are 3 years old.
There is not 9 months between them and they may not be siblings at all.

Sue
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: Neale1961 on Wednesday 29 July 20 03:10 BST (UK)
I think the boy is older, but the age gap is only a year or less. His arms and legs are noticeably longer, and his face less baby-like.
It is possible that the little girl is the same child as appears in photo 3 standing beside and leaning on her mother.
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: IgorStrav on Wednesday 29 July 20 08:22 BST (UK)

It is possible that the little girl is the same child as appears in photo 3 standing beside and leaning on her mother.

I wondered that, too, Neale, but the older standing girl has a distinct 'widow's peak' in her hair, which the young child isn't showing?
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: Neale1961 on Wednesday 29 July 20 10:56 BST (UK)
Rather than a widow’s peak, I thought it was a shadow or blemish on the Photo near her hair.
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 29 July 20 11:29 BST (UK)
1st. 1860's/70's.
2nd. 1880's.
3rd. 1870's. This may be a mourning photo.
She has black silk tape around her wrists & I think I can detect black crape
on her sleeves.
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: IgorStrav on Wednesday 29 July 20 13:08 BST (UK)
Rather than a widow’s peak, I thought it was a shadow or blemish on the Photo near her hair.

Oh - maybe......
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: tcoyle20 on Thursday 30 July 20 18:21 BST (UK)
I had a theory that the three kids were siblings, but based on comments it seems unlikely. I attached a few more photos to help explain. But I guess it's back to the drawing board!

Mother
Johanna, 1834-1912

Kids
William, 1868-1948
Mary, 1865-1944
Frances, 1857-1917
Title: Re: Help dating 3 tintypes taken in Rochester, NY
Post by: tcoyle20 on Thursday 30 July 20 18:27 BST (UK)
I should have clarified, the tintype of the boy and girl I thought could be brother William and sister Mary. But they would need to be 2 years apart.

The only thing that bothers me about the tintype photo is the difference in the chairs. It seems to create an illusion that they are the same size. The girls chair seems larger, longer and lounged back a bit. I don't know how an old lens might react to that, but perhaps the photography did that on purpose?

But I think I might be biased as well because I want my theory to be true.