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Title: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: broaway on Sunday 02 August 20 16:16 BST (UK)
Hi  Hope you are all safe and well   Can anyone assist me in finding a Mary Diana Johnson please
Born Mary Tinklin/g ?1866 in Tupsley Hereford
Turned up in Derby 1881 census as Mary D Johnson along with mother Louisa Johnson a widow and Brother Abraham Charles Johnson DoB 1860
In 1886 Mary D married a Thomas Orgil   I think he passed away and she then married again a Theaore Hitchcock  DoB 1862,  this second marriage is on hearsay so not sure,   so can anyone tell me, ???
Was there any children from this or these marriages  and anyone tell me where she was in 1939 registry in Derby please 

most appreciated

Broadway
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 02 August 20 16:31 BST (UK)
If she was born Tinklin  - how did her surname become Johnson by 1881?

Brothers birth registered as Tinklin March qtr 1861 - mmn was Evans

Mary Diana Tinklin b March qtr 1866 - mmn Evans
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: broaway on Sunday 02 August 20 16:36 BST (UK)
Correct   Carole
Louisa had placed her children in the workhouse by 1870 as her husband Charles Tinklin had died,
She supposedly married a Charles Johnson who also died by the time she was  living in Derby,   I think she was living over the sticks with a young Charles Johnson who left her when arriving in Derby,
A very complicated family
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 02 August 20 16:41 BST (UK)
Mary Diana married as Johnson - Thomas Orgill (2xL)  He may have died 1888
There are 2 Theodore Hitchcock marriages in Derby - 1882 & 1896.  No matching spouse to Mary
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 02 August 20 16:41 BST (UK)
Is this her son  :-\
ORGILL, JOHN  WILLIAM     mmn JOHNSON 
GRO Reference: 1887  Sept Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 523

Where was she in 1891

ADDED
Is this his death
Deaths Sep qtr 1888 
Orgill    John William   age 1    Belper    7b   270
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: broaway on Sunday 02 August 20 16:42 BST (UK)
you could be right after 1881 census I lost track   I think she was married 1886 in Derby
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 02 August 20 16:44 BST (UK)
We already know she married Orgill in 1886 but if he died 1888 - where was Mary in 1891?
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: JenB on Sunday 02 August 20 16:45 BST (UK)
Mary Diana and Theodore Hitchcock in Derby in 1911?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7TV-N3R
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: broaway on Sunday 02 August 20 16:47 BST (UK)
Now you making sense I was told of a relation Hitchcock but knew no more
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 02 August 20 16:49 BST (UK)
Mary Diana and Theodore Hitchcock in Derby in 1911?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7TV-N3R

That is good JenB

HITCHCOCK, GEORGE  HERBERT     mmn JOHNSON 
GRO Reference: 1902  Sept Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 601
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 02 August 20 16:52 BST (UK)
Mary Diana and Theodore are on electoral registers in Derby 1920 - 1931 (FindMyPast)
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: broaway on Sunday 02 August 20 16:54 BST (UK)
that is great news    I dont have access to that  but it is something to go on
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 02 August 20 16:55 BST (UK)
Deaths Dec qtr 1946  
Hitchcock    Theodore   age 84    Derby    3a   277

Deaths Dec qtr 1946   
Hitchcock    Mary D    age 80    Derby    3a   277
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: broaway on Sunday 02 August 20 16:57 BST (UK)
Who needs google with you lovely people thank you     thank you so much
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: JenB on Sunday 02 August 20 17:03 BST (UK)
I can’t yet find a marriage for  Mary & Theodore?
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: broaway on Sunday 02 August 20 17:04 BST (UK)
maybe they never got married   just a thought
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 02 August 20 17:05 BST (UK)
Who needs google with you lovely people thank you     thank you so much

I used another free source for the death entries - freebmd.https://www.freebmd.org.uk/search
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: broaway on Sunday 02 August 20 17:06 BST (UK)
I will make a note of that thank you
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: JenB on Sunday 02 August 20 17:07 BST (UK)
Who needs google with you lovely people thank you     thank you so much

I used another free source for the death entries - freebmd.https://www.freebmd.org.uk/search

And I used Family Search ( also free) to find them in 1911  :)
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: Kloumann on Sunday 02 August 20 17:09 BST (UK)
1901 census

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSJX-J9S
Edited
Helen & Theodore both children of Mary Diane
Both died young, Helen in 1908 & Theo in 1901
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 02 August 20 17:09 BST (UK)
You should be able to do a free search on FindMyPast to locate them in 1939.  We are not allowed to do lookups from that register.
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: tazzie on Sunday 02 August 20 17:13 BST (UK)
A newspaper quotes the deaths

 20Dec 1946 Theodore Hitchcock passed peacefully also 21 Dec at 5 Granville Street Mary Diana his beloved wife.

Can't see fully as no sub but on findmypast

  Tazzie
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 02 August 20 17:29 BST (UK)
Derby Daily Telegraph 23 December 1946
Hitchcock - On December 20th 1946 Theodore Hitchcock passed peacefully away aged 84 years: also on December 21st at 5 Granville Street Mary Diana his beloved wife age 80. Funeral Tuesday. Service and interment Nottingham Road Cemetery 2.45 pm


British newspaper archive also allows free searches.  I believe that you can get 3 free copies on their trial.
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: broaway on Sunday 02 August 20 18:00 BST (UK)
thank you all so much gave me a new avenue and more information     

Thank you stay safe
Title: Re: can anyone find the elusive Mary
Post by: Kloumann on Sunday 02 August 20 18:26 BST (UK)
Mary's brother's baptism 1861

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WQNC-34N2

Her sister's baptism 1862

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WQFD-GKW2