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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: grizzly1 on Sunday 02 August 20 18:56 BST (UK)
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Hi, I would be grateful for any info relating to a marriage of John Coogan to Bridget Kinsella circa 1850 in the Ballinsilloge or possibly Hackettown area.
Im aware that they had at least 8 children with birth's startin circa 1852.
Mary-John-Ann-Ellen-Thomas-Patrick-Bridget-James.
1901 Census no 7 Ballinasilloge has Patrick aged 38 and single.
I notice that also 1901 has a Thomas Kinsella aged 40 with family at No 4 Ballinasilloge another Kinsella family at number 8 Ballinasilloge.
The location of Ballinasilloge on the Wicklow/Carlow border poses problems as Hacketstown may have been a location for registering marriages etc.
So basically I would be grateful for any record of John and Bridgets marriage record circa 1850, or indeed any link to the Coogan/Kinsella families in the area prior to 1850.
Thank you.
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The registration district would be Shillelagh
https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php#
and the RC parish is Hacketstown
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0707
You might find the marriage there.
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This would seem to be the death, 1886, of Bridget - 54 yrs , Ballinasillogue
Informant, husband John.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06234/4784702.pdf
John Coogan 80 yrs death 1900, informant Patrick, son
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06234/4784702.pdf
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John Coogan 80 yrs death 1900, informant Patrick, son
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06234/4784702.pdf
Wrong link ;)
This is the correct one.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05754/4625401.pdf
KG
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Marriage October 1851 - difficult to read. I got it from Ancestry (It is clearer on there) indexed as John Coojan.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634470#page/129/mode/1up
Tithe Applotments Books show Patk Coogan and Thos and Jas ‘Kinshela’ in 1823 http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587448/004587448_00018.pdf
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John Coogan 80 yrs death 1900, informant Patrick, son
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06234/4784702.pdf
Wrong link ;)
This is the correct one.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05754/4625401.pdf
KG
Oops. Thanks KG. I posted Bridget twice. :)
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Yes Heywood thank you, I just found it and it is difficult to make out but looks very much like the 9th October for the Marriage, it looks as if there are 2 Kinsella family members as 'witness'.
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The deaths would be also correct due to the location, thank you so much.
I can now search for their births due to having an apprx age.
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Marriage October 1851 - difficult to read. I got it from Ancestry (It is clearer on there) indexed as John Coojan.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634470#page/129/mode/1up
Tithe Applotments Books show Patk Coogan and Thos and Jas ‘Kinshela’ in 1823 http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587448/004587448_00018.pdf
Thank you, I would have been wasting time looking at the other deaths in my original post without your help, much appreciated,
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Yes Heywood thank you, I just found it and it is difficult to make out but looks very much like the 9th October for the Marriage, it looks as if there are 2 Kinsella family members as 'witness'.
'October 9th 1851 Married John Coogan to Bridget Kinsella', witnesses look like 'Maurice Kearney and Mary Kinsella', location at end of line is 'Ballinasillouge'.
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Griffiths Valuation (1850s) shows Coogan, Kinchela and Kearney both in Ballinasillogue and local townlands.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01psa/
This is a nice bit of history. The project collection shows school work from 1937/39. Here is a piece written by an unknown child but collected from Patrick Coogan, 75 yrs, Ballinasillogue. He, in turn, was told it by Ml Connors of the same place. (Michael Connor shows in Griffiths too).
https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/5044739/5035595
Added: above GV link takes you back to the main site, here is a quick reference for names in GV.
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/wicklow/hacketstown.htm
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For future ref for anyone who may have link's to Kinsella's in Ballinasilloge, there is a possibilty that there are more births for the family, but due to missing pages and several pages been illegible I may have missed some..(I did not have success in finding Bridget Kinsella born circa 1832 who later married John Coogan in 1851)
Baptismsal records Ballinasilloge.
1827..Elizabeth to James Kinsella and Anna (maiden name Illegible)
1834..Denis to James Kinsella and Anna
1844..Patrick to James Kinsella and Ann Beahan/Behan?
1831..Mary to Patrick Kinsella and Anna Whitty.
1841..Bridget to Denis Kinsella and Ann Graham.
1842..Ann to John Kinsella and Ann Coogan.
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It’s quite difficult because people weren’t that concerned or knowledgeable about their age or year of birth and the surnames are popular in that townland and area.
Here is a baptism for ‘Brigida Kinsela’ July 22nd 1829 with parents Thomas and Maria Byrne of Ballinasilloge.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634470#page/8/mode/1up
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It’s quite difficult because people weren’t that concerned or knowledgeable about their age or year of birth and the surnames are popular in that townland and area.
Here is a baptism for ‘Brigida Kinsela’ July 22nd 1829 with parents Thomas and Maria Byrne of Ballinasilloge.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634470#page/8/mode/1up
That could be a Possibilty Heywood due to the d-o-b been in the ballpark area of her death aged 54 in 1886.
There was also a son Thomas named among her children.
The area of Ballinsilloge seems to have been sparsely populated, so im presuming that the Kinsellas who were there circa mid 1820s were more than likely from the one family, the fact that in 1823 two named Kinsellas payed £16 tax (tithe allotment) in Ballinsilloge has me presuming that they were financially comfortable or at least not in total poverty?
I understand the prob regs age variations, it seems that the large majority may have only known their correct age if it was linked to a Historical event such as Rebellion or birth of a Royal etc.
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I am interested in this family also.
An aunt of mind is a decent of this line.
Mary Coogan born 1852c daughter of John Coogan and Bridget Kinsella. Mary married William Lawlor 3th Feb 1870. This is my aunt's line.
Any one else interested in this family?
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An aunt of mind is a decent of this line.
Mary Coogan born 1852c daughter of John Coogan and Bridget Kinsella. Mary married William Lawlor 3th Feb 1837. This is my aunt's line.
There'a a typo mistake for the marriage date.
Married 3 February 1870
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11371/8175292.pdf
KG
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Grizzly1
Can I please ask what is your connection with this family?
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Ann Coogan married Thomas Kearney (my great-grandfather) from Rathduffmore on 15.10.1889.
Patrick Coogan married Maria Connor(s) on 4.6.1907. Both registered at Shillelagh.
good luck with your search.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
Some URL links-
Marriage 15 October 1889 at Hacketstown RC Church - Thomas Kearney to Anne Cogan. Hacketstown Registration District.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10750/5920492.pdf
Thomas living at Rathduffmore townland.
https://www.townlands.ie/wicklow/ballinacor-south/hacketstown/coolballintaggart/rathduffmore/
Anne living at Ballinasilloge townland.
https://www.townlands.ie/wicklow/ballinacor-south/hacketstown/coolballintaggart/ballinasilloge/
Patrick Coogan to Maria Connor - 4 June 1907 - Kilquiggin RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10090/5670995.pdf
Children of Coogan/Connor(s) marriage-
Bridget Mary 1908, Margaret Mary 1910, William 1914, Patrick Joseph 1917.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01slg/
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Hi Leinsterman,
I am not a blood relative but have your family in my family tree.
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hi there
thank you.
I recall many summers in Knockanna with my grandmother at the Coogans.
best wishes