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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: Ever Stealthy on Saturday 08 August 20 22:36 BST (UK)
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I have four sources that are consistent with the birth of Alfred Horton in Leicester/Leicestershire in 1842: 2 censuses, his death certificate and burial, and the announcement of his second marriage. However there is no registration or baptism that I can find in that name or similar in the county from 1841-43. Alfred was a musician ("Professor of Music"). I have found him in the 1861 census (Northumberland), 1871 census (Torquay), but not in 1851. He was married twice, to Mary Jane Doutch in 1868 in Torquay, and to Frances Hannah Smith in 1871 in Buxton. He died in Liverpool of TB in 1876, and is buried in Anfield Cemetery. His father was Thomas Horton, also a Professor of Music. I have found lots of other trivial stuff about him, but I can't find his birth, so can't take the line further. Am I missing something obvious? Is it possible he was born in Leicester but registered elsewhere? His father was a musician, so possibly itinerant like Alfred seems to have been. Any suggestions would be very welcome. Thanks
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Welcome to RootsChat :) :)
Unfortunately birth registration was not compulsory until the mid 1870's.
...... In the early days of the system, it was up to each local registrar to find out what births, marriages and deaths had taken place in his sub-district. It has therefore been estimated that only about 50–60% of births, both legitimate and illegitimate, were registered as parents were not legally obliged to inform the registrar. It has been estimated that in some parts of England up to 15% of births were not registered between 1837 and 1875.[6] As a result of the Births and Deaths Act 1874, registration was made compulsory from 1875 and the onus was now on parents to inform the registrar when they had a child and penalties were imposed on those who failed to register. Births had to be registered within 42 days at the district or sub-district office, usually by the mother or father. If more days had elapsed but it was less than three months since the birth, the superintendent registrar had to be present and if between three months and a year, the registration could only be authorised by the Registrar General. ....
Taken from Wikipedia.
Hope this helps
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Possible other reasons;
He was illeg.
Thomas Horton married or never married his Mother.
His Birth wasnt reg, Father died, Mother remarried before 1851 Census.
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Anfield Cemetery is the Non Conformist Cemetery.
Check as many of the Non Conformists registers near Leicester or nearby as often the actual chapel
could be some miles away perhaps in another county.
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Who are the witnesses on the marriage certificate(s)?
Do they give any clues?
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Is this possibly Alfred in 1851, his mother having been widowed and re-marrying Richard Boddington
Marriages Dec 1846
Atkins Charlotte Coventry 16 586
Boddington Richard Coventry 16 586
Horton Ann Coventry 16 586
Hunt Ann Coventry 16 586
Johnson Sarah Coventry 16 586
Ludford John Coventry 16 586
Mason George Coventry 16 586
Thorniloe Thomas Coventry 16 586
John
1851 census
Richard Boddington 35
Ann Boddington 38
Samuel Boddington 3
Mary Ann Boddington 11 Mo
Alfred Horton 10 step Law (step son)
Edit: 19.27
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The Samuel Boddington born c1848 on 1851 census in Coventry has mother's maiden name BROWN,
so possibly looking for a Horton / Brown marriage if it happened.
John
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Possible birth:
HORTON, ALFRED mother's maiden name BROWN
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in THE CITY OF COVENTRY Volume 16 Page 348
I know it's not pob Leicester but!!
John
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Hi and welcome to rootschat ;D
His father was Thomas Horton, also a Professor of Music. I have found lots of other trivial stuff about him, but I can't find his birth, so can't take the line further. Am I missing something obvious? Is it possible he was born in Leicester but registered elsewhere? His father was a musician, so possibly itinerant like Alfred seems to have been. Any suggestions would be very welcome. Thanks
and you have his mothers given name.................... so of course you can continue to research
I wonder if he was born/registered in (Coventry) Warwickshire possibly lived in Leicestershire when young and just thought that is where he was born as there are several Alfred Horton registered in Coventry
As a Professor of Music it is possible he worked in schools or maybe even the theatre so moved because of available work, worth looking at where they lived ( census) and any local, schools/theaters nearby also worth checking newspapers to see if he advertised private music lessons as well as local directories to see if he is in them
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The 1851 census has a place of birth as Coventry.
John
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There is a marriage:
27th June 1837 St John the Baptist, Coventry
James Horton/en and Ann Brown.
Witnesses James Brown and Ann Horton
There is then this entry in 1841 1152/32/14
Transcribed as:
James Hortin 30 yrs butcher
Ann Hortin 30 yrs
William Parker 15 Yrs butcher
Alfred Parker 10 months
However there is no surname for Alfred so the occupiers may just have been recorded according to age.
Added - is this the same Alfred?
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Thank you all so much for your advice and for taking the time to do searches. There's a lot to think about.
Checking the witnesses on the marriage certificates was a good idea that hadn't occurred to me, but weren't any help. None of the names linked up. I spent some time today tracking the women witnesses down to see if perhaps they were sisters with married names, but no.
And then I came across an Alfred Edwin Horton, born in Devon in 1842 (my Alfred had the Torquay marriage). His father Joseph was a musician (born in Warwickshire) as was the eldest son Joseph, and in the 1840 census, Joseph's father was living with them in East Stonehouse, Devon, and was called Thomas! Now, it's a big "What If?", but what if this Joseph is my Alfred's uncle, his father Thomas being brother to Joseph? The Warwickshire connection might link to the Ann Brown/Horton/Boddington that John and Heywood found.
My brain hurts. I'm going to sleep on all this and tomorrow have a look at what you've found, then start trying to make sense of it all. Thanks once again to everyone for your time, help and suggestions.
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Just found the marriage allegation and bond for Richard Boddington and Ann Horton. Marriage date 19.10.1846 Richard aged 28 & Ann of full age a "widow".
John
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That Ann was likely the widow of James, the butcher, I think.
Also, Alfred was 19yrs in 1861 and 28yrs in 1871 so perhaps not born pre 1841 census.
Edited - correct age given for 1871.
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There is a marriage:
27th June 1837 St John the Baptist, Coventry
James Horton/en and Ann Brown.
Witnesses James Brown and Ann Horton
There is a birth and death of a James Horton in Coventry as below.
HORTON, JAMES mmn BROWN
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in THE CITY OF COVENTRY Volume 16 Page 388
HORTON, JAMES 0
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in OF THE CITY OF COVENTRY Volume 16 Page 261
John
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John,
I see you added to my post (quoted) :)
I presume that there was a child James born and died to that couple.
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There were 5 times as many Ortons in Leicester as Hortons.
Don't think that helps at all.
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It’s difficult isn’t it.
The Boddingtons lived in Coventry in 1851; Ryton on Dunsmore in 1861 and Ann was back in Coventry in 1871.
So the family might have been a bit closer to Leicestershire 1851-1861.
I don’t know the area.
I am just bothered that nothing else seems to fit :-\
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You mention Alfred’s fathers name was Thomas occ Musician
could this be the HORTON family on 1851 census as lodgers Head Mary Ridings Inn Keeper
Manchester Road, Hyde, Stockport, Cheshire
Thomas Haughton Lodger 37 Musician Leicestershire Blabe
Mary Haughton Lodger Mar 35 Traveller With Wild Beasts Leicestershire
Alfred Haughton Lodger Leicestershire
Eliza Haughton Lodger 5mths Leicestershire
Have a look at original as not sure if Alfred’s age is 19 or 9 and also if Thomas is noted as married ???
HO107 Piece number 2154 Folio 303 Page 20
Added
Not sure if this might be Eliza’s birth entry nothing on GRO for Haughton
HORTON, ELIZA mmn ADCOCK
1850 D Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 15 Page 95
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Oh Ladyhawk, that looks so promising :)
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Oh Ladyhawk! You're a star! That looks very promising indeed. Thank you so much. I'll have a look at the original. Thanks too to John and Heywood for sticking with this for me.
Steve
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And as for Mary being a "Traveller with Wild Beasts", that's not complimentary to the other three is it?
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could this be the HORTON family on 1851 census as lodgers Head Mary Ridings Inn Keeper
Manchester Road, Hyde, Stockport, Cheshire
Thomas Haughton Lodger 37 Musician Leicestershire Blabe
Mary Haughton Lodger Mar 35 Traveller With Wild Beasts Leicestershire
Alfred Haughton Lodger Leicestershire
Eliza Haughton Lodger 5mths Leicestershire
I'm intrigued by Mary's occupation. Did it mean she was with a travelling circus or menagerie? Or was it a humorous reflection on the behaviour of her fellow travellers? ;D
As others have pointed out, there are many variants of the Horton surname, with and without H.
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Eliza Horton married at 16 on 06 Sep 1866
at St Margaret’s Leicestershire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLSW-LY8N
Looking at The original marriage record father Thomas occ Musician her address Russel Square
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1861 2288/38/25
6 Mill Street Leicester
Mary Horton 43 yrs Seamstress (Socks) b Blaby
Eliza Horton 10 yrs Seamstress (Gloves) b Leicester
In the same house John and Sarah Adcock
Added Mary is widowed.
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1861 2288/38/25
6 Mill Street Leicester
Mary Horton 43 yrs Seamstress (Socks) b Blaby
Eliza Horton 10 yrs Seamstress (Gloves) b Leicester
In the same house John and Sarah Adcock
Added Mary is widowed.
Well found - You beat me too it heywood was about to post same but my ipad needed recharging :)
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Just checked the original and it must be my Alfred and family. His age is 9 (the enumerator made a mark that makes it look like 19). If they were with a circus, then perhaps Thomas is in the circus band??? How exciting ;D
I've checked the marriage cert for Alfred's first marriage in 1868, and father Thomas was deceased, so the 1861 census entry fits with that too.
Can I ask, does everyone feel that this is the family I'm looking for?
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There's a special section on RootsChat for traveller ancestors which includes show-people. You might find links to resources for background information.
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It looks likely - currently trying to see if I can find a marriage for Thomas & Mary
This might be his death entry
HORTON, THOMAS age 45
1857 D Quarter in MARKET HARBOROUGH Volume 07A Page 14
Thomas Horton Age 45
Burial 12 Dec 1857
Burial place Foxton
Denomination Anglican
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Has Alfred’s birth entry be found confirming mmn?
I posted a possible entry for Eliza mmn Adcock but not found Alfred ???
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I've not been able to find Alfred's birth registration or baptism. That's how this whole thing started!
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By the way, this is the man you're looking for, taken in 1871 with his second wife Frances Hannah Smith.
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Sorry, I got the re-sizing wrong, but you get the picture :-\
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Not found Thomas Horton marriage to Mary but have found this
Mary Horton Age 44 ,Father John Adcock occ FWK
married 07 Feb 1862 at St Margaret’s
George Gabriel Heard age 44 , musician Father John ,musician
both widowed, both of Mill Street
Mary made her mark as did witness Susannah Adcock (x) other witness James Adcock
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Not that this helps with Alfred or his father Thomas Marriage to Mary
For info.
1871c George Heard musician & Mary in Wales, daughter Emily age 8 born Glasgow
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V51Y-M8X
Emily Heard 1863 mmn Adcock
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ4M-N8N
1881 c George Mary & Emily in Durham
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27B-T6BV
possible baptism
Mary Adcock
Bpt 18 Dec 1817 Blaby
Denomination Anglican
Father' John Frame work knitter mother Mary
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Just caught up with this post this morning. Must say to both Ladyhawk & Heywood great findings!!
John
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Again, super sleuthing Ladyhawk. :)
I wondered if it was a second marriage for Thomas, although we can’t find it anyway, but with the gap between Alfred and Eliza it looks that it could be a new relationship.
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It looks likely - currently trying to see if I can find a marriage for Thomas & Mary
This might be his death entry
HORTON, THOMAS age 45
1857 D Quarter in MARKET HARBOROUGH Volume 07A Page 14
Thomas Horton Age 45
Burial 12 Dec 1857
Burial place Foxton
Denomination Anglican
Not our Thomas.
There is a probate entry for Thomas Horton, of Foxton with Ann Horton, the widow.
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Good morning. Thanks for continuing to hunt down this family. Great work Ladyhawk and Heywood, but disappointing that the death is not ours.
Ladyhawk: you mentioned in an earlier post that you'd not been able to find Thomas Horton's marriage to Mary. Family search has a few possible matches. I was going to dig deeper into these, have you already done so?
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There is a death of Thomas Horton in March quarter 1854 in Leicester, Vol 7a, page 129.
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you mentioned in an earlier post that you'd not been able to find Thomas Horton's marriage to Mary.
Family search has a few possible matches. I was going to dig deeper into these, have you already done so?
Hi Ever Stealthy
No I still haven't found a marriage for Thomas Horton to Mary ? nor have I looked into possible matches on familysearch...... :)
Edit to add - did you find this entry as a possibility?
Thomas ORTON
22 Feb 1846 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian Scotland
Mary ADCOCK father JOHN Adcock
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYML-KQR
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Ok, thanks. I didn't want to duplicate anything you'd done. I'll get cracking on it. Once again, I really appreciate your time and effort in helping me break down the wall I'd run into. Ta, Chuck! :)
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There are these entries in 1841, Blaby
597/11/14
Mary Addcock, 20 yrs
With John, Sarah and others - relationships not shown in 1841 but she is living beside John and Sarah in 1861.
I can’t read the address - ...ding Bag ??? **
597/6/5
Lutterworth Road
Thomas Orton 25 years Woollen ... (I can’t read the rest)
The other occupants are William and Martha Archer with their child Elizabeth. (Her birth shows mother’s name is Orton).
***Pudding Bag (thought it was but seemed wrong :))
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John Adcock married Mary Broughton, she died in Blaby in 1829. Sarah must be his second wife, several marriage possibilities. James's mother is Sarah, I think Joseph must be Mary (Broughton).s. Little Sarah is with family in 1851 as grandchild. She was bapt in Blaby in 1836, mother Mary no father named.
So is Albert another illeg child of Mary's and adopted name Horton or is he Thomas Horton's by a previous relationship.
If the Edinburgh marriage is the one, why did two people from Leicestershire marry in Scotland?
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Just saw your added notes, Ladyhawk.
Again, looks a great find. Perhaps they were travelling and married then.
So ... who is parent of Alfred?
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There are these entries in 1841, Blaby
597/11/14
Mary Addcock, 20 yrs
With John, Sarah and others - relationships not shown in 1841 but she is living beside John and Sarah in 1861.
I can’t read the address - ...ding Bag ??? **
597/6/5
Lutterworth Road
Thomas Orton 25 years Woollen ... (I can’t read the rest)
The other occupants are William and Martha Archer with their child Elizabeth. (Her birth shows mother’s name is Orton).
***Pudding Bag (thought it was but seemed wrong :))
Pudding bag's come up before
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=498103.0
on 1861 census
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So ... who is parent of Alfred?
That's a very good question ???
from Ever Steathly we know from Alfred's marriage certificate his father was named Thomas
both had same occ Professor of Music
Like everyone else I've not come across a birth record for Alfred to confirm his mother's mn :-\
IF that is the correct 1846 marriage for Alfred's father Thomas and I guess that can only be confirmed by checking the details to see what it reveals.....his age, occupation, marital status etc..
Alfred Horton was born c1842
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1861 2288/38/25
6 Mill Street Leicester
Mary Horton 43 yrs Seamstress (Socks) b Blaby
Eliza Horton 10 yrs Seamstress (Gloves) b Leicester
In the same house John and Sarah Adcock
Added Mary is widowed.
I wonder if the witnesses to Mary Horton (Widow) marriage 1862 are her brother and sister in law
looking at GRO indexes for James & Susan's children mn Mitchell
Haddon's Yard, 7, Britannia Street, St Margaret, Leicester
John Adcock Head Frame Work Knitter Blaby, Leicestershire,
Sarah Adcock Wife Atherstone, Warwickshire,
James Adcock Son Frame Work Knitter Blaby, Leicestershire,
Susan Adcock Son’s wife Seamer Bruntingthorpe, Leicestershire
Sarah Adcock Sons’s dau Leicestershire
Sarah Adcock Grand Daughter Seamer Blaby, Leicestershire,
Mary Randal Niece Seamer Blaby
1851 census HO107 Piece 2088 Folio 623 Page 17
she's Susanna Horton edit ADCOCK on 1861 census
posting whilst red writing
Edit to confirm she is Susannah Mitchell
James ADCOCK age 20, FWK father John, FWK
married 23 Dec 1850 St Margaret’s
Susannah MITCHELL father Charles, FWK
Both single, both Resident Britannia St., both made their mark (x)
As did witnesses William Briggs & Mary Ann Moor
James Adcock was bpt 5 Oct 1830 Blaby Leicestershire parents John, occ FWK & Sarah
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I thought that too, James is Mary's half brother. On James's marriage record his bride's name is Susanna
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I found the Puddingbag census too, and digressed by reading up on that for a while :)
Ladyhawk, the Edinburgh marriage is a possibility, and a great find. I've been looking at Leicestershire. From the 1851 census, we know that Thomas and Mary were circus people, so they could have been in Scotland with the circus. I'll get a copy of the marriage certificate and see what it tells me. If it is them, then as Lizzie says, that seems to leave the possibility that Alfred could have been illegitimate, but Thomas still the father (or not).
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Couldn't wait. Purchased 30 credits for SP. Thomas Orton was a Stocking maker, Mary Ann was the daughter of the late John Adcock stocking maker.
John
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HORTON, THOMAS age 45
1857 D Quarter in MARKET HARBOROUGH Volume 07A Page 14
Thomas Horton Age 45
Burial 12 Dec 1857
Burial place Foxton
Denomination Anglican
This Thomas appears to have been a grazier, according to the newspaper announcement of his death.
Nell
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Yes, that is the one whose probate I mentioned in reply #36
If I recall, I think his wife was Ann Preston.
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Couldn't wait. Purchased 30 credits for SP. Thomas Orton was a Stocking maker, Mary Ann was the daughter of the late John Adcock stocking maker.
John
That’s kind of you John.
It looks like our couple. In 1841, Thomas Orton was a ‘Woollen Hosier M’ - I could only get the ‘woollen’ earlier.
John Addcock is also a ‘Woollen Hosier M’
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Couldn't wait. Purchased 30 credits for SP. Thomas Orton was a Stocking maker, Mary Ann was the daughter of the late John Adcock stocking maker.
John
That’s kind of you John.
Yes, thank you, John, however, I don't think it is our couple. The Thomas I'm looking for (Alfred's father), and married to Mary in 1851 is a musician.
It looks like our couple. In 1841, Thomas Orton was a ‘Woollen Hosier M’ - I could only get the ‘woollen’ earlier.
John Addcock is also a ‘Woollen Hosier M’
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Heywood, what is the 1841 census entry you are referring to? It's possible he started as a woollen hosier, had a musical talent and ran away to join the circus.
I think I just found it: Thomas Orton, age 25, Blaby.
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Yes that’s him - see reply #41.
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There are these entries in 1841, Blaby
597/11/14
Mary Addcock, 20 yrs
With John, Sarah and others - relationships not shown in 1841 but she is living beside John and Sarah in 1861.
I can’t read the address - ...ding Bag ??? **
597/6/5
Lutterworth Road
Thomas Orton 25 years Woollen ... (I can’t read the rest)
The other occupants are William and Martha Archer with their child Elizabeth. (Her birth shows mother’s name is Orton).
***Pudding Bag (thought it was but seemed wrong :))
William Archer married Martha Orton 3 Nov 1834 at Wigston Magna botp. Thomas Orton was a witness. Martha and Thomas both signed - quite good signatures. William Archer made his mark. Other witness was John Cooper who has witnessed all marriages on same page.
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There is a death of Thomas Horton in March quarter 1854 in Leicester, Vol 7a, page 129.
This is a 1 yr old child.
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Couldn't wait. Purchased 30 credits for SP. Thomas Orton was a Stocking maker, Mary Ann was the daughter of the late John Adcock stocking maker.
John
Did the record give details of Thomas's father?
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There is a death of Thomas Horton in March quarter 1854 in Leicester, Vol 7a, page 129.
This is a 1 yr old child.
There is a birth
June quarter 1852 vol 7a pg 175
Thomas Horton mmn Adcock
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There is also a Thomas Orton b 1825/6 married to Amy Cartwright in Blaby.
1851 2081/185/12
1861 2256/66/20
He might be the one in 1841 :-\
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Good morning, Heywood.
How are you managing to find details on the GRO registrations, such as age of the Thomas Horton who died in 1854, and mmn for the 1852 birth? Free BMD and the link to the original doesn't give either. In fact, when I put in Adcock as mmn on FreeBMD, it didn't give me a match.
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It's from GRO site
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
You need to create account but it's free to search. You only need to pay if you choose to order actual certificate
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There is also a Thomas Orton b 1825/6 married to Amy Cartwright in Blaby.
1851 2081/185/12
1861 2256/66/20
He might be the one in 1841 :-\
Baptism in Blaby
Thomas Orton bapt 24 May 1813 s/o John and Hester
Can't find baptism for Martha who might be his sister.
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The Thomas who married Amy Cartwright had a father called Joseph and he made his mark, not like the Thomas who witnessed Martha Orton's marriage, he could sign his name. One of the witnesses to this Thomas Orton's marriage was Jane Orton (she signed).
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Thomas with father Joseph is transcribed as Arton on Ancestry at 1841 597/24/6 So he can be discounted and back on the right track. :)
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Full transcript of marriage re Thomas Orton / Mary Adcock.
Edinburgh 23rd February 1846
Proclaimed 22nd February 1846,
Thomas Orton, stocking maker residing 88, Candlemaker Row, New Grey Friars Parish
and Mary Adcock, residing No. 126, Grassmarket, Same Parish
Daughter of the late John Adcock, stocking maker.
Have been proclaimed three times in order to marriage in the parish church of New Greyfriars and no objections have been offered.
Married at.......................... on.....................day of........................
by the Rev.............................................
So did they actually marry??
Wonder if they were in Edinburgh for Thomas to practice his musicianship at the FRINGE!!
John
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Thanks John.
If all is right so far, which it seems to be, John was not ‘late’ of course but maybe it suited or was assumed.
Also, why did he not call himself a musician, I wonder,.
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Wonder if they were in Edinburgh for Thomas to practice his musicianship at the FRINGE!!
;D
Stockings with fringes?
Perhaps there was a downturn in the entertainment business and he'd returned to his previous skill or musician wasn't regarded as a respectable profession in Edinburgh at that time.
Another theory - perhaps being a travelling musician was seasonal and he did his other job at other times.
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The birth certificate of baby Thomas would give his fathers occupation.
In 1861, Mary was back with socks.
Just thinking here...
They might not have been with a circus, perhaps just travellers although one would wonder what the wild beasts were.
In 1851, they were living on Manchester Road, Hyde which is the continuation of Hyde Road, Manchester.
The famous Belle Vue Zoological Gardens was located there.
No one else in the accommodation or on the two census pages appear to be in the travelling entertainment profession.
There are a group of musicians visiting at 1851 2154/510/62
Address Norbury Street, Hyde - not too far Manchester Road. One is from Edinburgh.
This is all speculation and could be coincidental.
Lastly, 1851 shows Thomas and Mary as ‘married’. There is no relationship shown for Alfred as all 3 are described as lodgers.
I hesitate to say this but maybe he wasn’t a son of either of them :-\
I have tried looking for mother’s name for the Alfreds born in Blaby without any clues but if he was born elsewhere it would be impossible.
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They might not have been with a circus, perhaps just travellers although one would wonder what the wild beasts were.
In 1851, they were living on Manchester Road, Hyde which is the continuation of Hyde Road, Manchester.
The famous Belle Vue Zoological Gardens was located there.
"Travelling Menageries" on "The Victorian History Blog"
https://vichist.blogspot.com/2012/03/travelling-menageries.html
This is a description of travelling menageries in mid-19thC Britain, with illustrations.
Travelling menageries did the rounds of seasonal fairs. Accompanying bands seemed to be brass instruments. I think their function was to be an audible advert to attract crowds, some of whom would then pay to view the animals.
".. the animals were spending the greater part of the year travelling over poor roads in all sorts of weather in small cages ...", described as "a logistical nightmare". They began pre-railways. Although the article doesn't say so, I assume the animals were kept in fixed quarters for winter. I'm also assuming that the bandsmen would have to find other work in winter, unless they doubled-up as animal-keepers.
" ... discomfort to the animals ... from ... jolting about the country ... and from the braying of brass bands ... and the glare of gas at evening exhibitions."
An account about visiting shows at Croyden Fair in the writer's boyhood, quoted in the blog : " ... gorgeously uniformed bandsmen, whose brazen instruments brayed and blared from noon till night on the exterior platform "
2 books are mentioned.
There might be accounts of visits by travelling menageries in local newspapers. Try search terms, menagerie, names of menagerie proprietors (some are mentioned on the blog), names of local fairs.
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Heywood, I hadn't thought of Belle Vue. I spent many happy hours in the zoo as a child, and even went to the circus there on my father's annual works "do" for the workers' kids. It's possible that's where they were working at the Gardens.
I can find no reference to Thomas or Mary Orton (or similar) in the 1851 Scottish census, so it looks as though they had moved on... Apart from the occupation, that wedding looks such a possibility, but even if the circus work was seasonal, which is a reasonable thought, why go all the way to Scotland to make stockings, when there was a thriving industry in Leicester?
It is all so enticing, and frustrating. I have the feeling we've found them but without being able to be definite.
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I have already tried newspaper indexes with various search terms but nothing yet.
If they are in Hyde in 1851 though, they won’t be in Scotland.
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Thanks for the info, Maiden Stone: "Accompanying bands seemed to be brass instruments." This too is enticing, as Alfred Horton's instrument was a cornet. He was good too: I've found adverts in the Buxton Herald for solo performances from him.
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I checked the Scottish census in case the people getting married in Edinburgh might not be the ones we are looking for, and just an astonishing coincidence!
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Good idea :)
It’s hard when you are searching Orton/Horton and there are a few articles about such a person but don’t seem to be ours. I can only see snippets though.
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If all that has been found is correct or at least on the right path you have:
1841 Thomas the hosiery Maker
1846 Thomas The stocking maker
1851 Thomas the musician
1854 the child Thomas is born.
Presumably 1852 - 1861 Thomas snr dies.
The birth certificate of young Thomas would inform father’s occupation. Maybe, as has been suggested, in Thomas’s case, music was more of a hobby/sideline.
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Heywood, glad you put down a precis of found info. All roads appear to lead to Thomas Orton/Horton and Mary Adcock being the father & mother of "our" Alfred (feel as if I have adopted him). As you say one of the last pieces of this jigsaw is the birth cert of Thomas in 1852.
Have we been able to establish a positive death for Thomas senior approx 8 months before Thomas junior birth and 1861 census when Mary was a widow.
John
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Has Jane in 1847 been mentioned? Is she a possible?
ORTON, JANE
Mother's Maiden Surname: ADCOCK
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in LEICESTER UNION Volume 15 Page 92
Likely death?
ORTON, JANE
Age at Death (in years): 1
GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 15 Page 79
Might be a burial at St Margaret's.
There is also an Eliza Orton mother Adcock in Birmingham in March '48, can't explain that one, presumably is not connected.
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You mention the Buxton Herald so you probably have this
Buxton Herald 06 April 1876
Mr Alfred Horton who for the last ten years has been first cornet player in the summer band at Buxton, is lying dangerously ill (beyond recovery it is said) at Liverpool
Wondering if this is the same Alfred Horton mentioned
17 September 1865 - The Era - London
Boorn’s Gigantic Russian Circus
WANTED, to Join Immediately, a good SAXHORN player.
Address Alfred Horton, Leader
Route - CHERTSEY Tuesday; WINDSOR Wednesday; UXBRIDGE Thursday.
It is frustrating that we can't find a birth or a baptism record for Alfred Horton to tie up with
Thomas & Mary (nee Adcock) ???
Ever Stealthy - forgot to say thank you for posting a picture of Alfred
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Jane Orton buried 27th February 1848 parish of St Margaret's, daughter of Thomas & Mary, abode Brittania St aged 1
John
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Jane Orton buried 27th February 1848 parish of St Margaret's, daughter of Thomas & Mary, abode Brittania St aged 1
Well done John.
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Jane Orton buried 27th February 1848 parish of St Margaret's, daughter of Thomas & Mary, abode Brittania St aged 1
Well done John.
and from me too :) The Adcock's were on the 1851 census address Haddon's Yard, 7, Britannia Street, St Margaret (added - see reply 46)
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There do not appear to be any Orton/Horton/Adcock marriages from 1837-1870 on freebmd in England and Wales. That birth of Eliza in Birmingham is a very good contender for being another child.
Believe this could be her death ref
ORTON, ELIZA aged 2
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 16 Page 235
John
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It’s all good news and there are more dates to check re occupation. ;)
Boorns Gigantic Russian Circus sounds exciting :o
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There do not appear to be any Orton/Horton/Adcock marriages from 1837-1870 on freebmd in England and Wales.
That birth of Eliza in Birmingham is a very good contender for being another child.
Believe this could be her death ref
ORTON, ELIZA aged 2
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 16 Page 235
Hi John
Brought this forward posted at reply 18 & 23 birth possible child of Thomas & Mary and her marriage
HORTON, ELIZA mmn ADCOCK
1850 D Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 15 Page 95
Eliza Horton married at 16 on 06 Sep 1866 at St Margaret’s Leicestershire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLSW-LY8N
Looking at the original marriage record father Thomas occ Musician her address Russell Square
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Full transcript of marriage re Thomas Orton / Mary Adcock.
Edinburgh 23rd February 1846
Proclaimed 22nd February 1846,
Thomas Orton, stocking maker residing 88, Candlemaker Row, New Grey Friars Parish
and Mary Adcock, residing No. 126, Grassmarket, Same Parish
Daughter of the late John Adcock, stocking maker.
Have been proclaimed three times in order to marriage in the parish church of New Greyfriars and no objections have been offered.
Married at.......................... on.....................day of........................
by the Rev.............................................
So did they actually marry??
Wonder if they were in Edinburgh for Thomas to practice his musicianship at the FRINGE!!
Well done John for providing the marriage details - if Thomas & Mary married 1846
Was Mary Adcock the mother of Alfred or someone else ???
I checked just in case his surname was ADCOCK
Leicestershire 1843 with no mother's maiden was named EZRA
but he's on the 1851 census with his unmarried mother Mary Adcock (1823) & brother William (1850) ??? there's also birth for a Vere Adcock Leicestershire 1842 no mmn - not found on census perhaps Vere is Vera :-\
1851 census (surname HAUGHTON)
Alfred was age 9 & Eliza 5 months
Alfred 1842 mmn ?
Jane ORTON M qtr. 1847-1848 (mmn Adcock) Leicester Union
Eliza HORTON D qtr. 1850 (mmn Adcock). Leicester
Thomas HORTON D qtr. 1852-1854 (mmn Adcock) Leicester
If is birth registered was registered who knows what spelling his surname might be :-\
I did find this one but I think this Alfred's parents might be John Orton & Eliza Mossendue
who married 17 May 1840 St Margaret's Leicestershire
ORTON, ALFRED mmn MASSENDUE
1844 M Quarter in LEICESTER UNION Volume 15 Page 104
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deleted - seen already posted - I seem to be getting notifications an hour after posting
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Posting this one for cross checking:
Sep 1841 Qtr - Alfred Orton mmn Clarke Billesdon 15 43.
However there is also a William Orton registered in 1838 mmn Clark.
Is probably not our man, but there were no further Orton/Horton births mmn Clark/e in Billesdon after Alfred.
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Was Mary Adcock the mother of Alfred or someone else ?
Alfred 1842 mmn ?
Jane ORTON M qtr. 1847-1848 (mmn Adcock) Leicester Union
Eliza HORTON D qtr. 1850 (mmn Adcock). Leicester
Thomas HORTON D qtr. 1852-1854 (mmn Adcock) Leicester
If is birth registered was registered who knows what spelling his surname might be :-\
I did find this one but I think this Alfred's parents might be John Orton & Eliza Mossendue
who married 17 May 1840 St Margaret's Leicestershire
ORTON, ALFRED mmn MASSENDUE
1844 M Quarter in LEICESTER UNION Volume 15 Page 104
Earlier in the thread, I think we discovered a child pre 1841 for Mary. She was possibly Sarah?
The three children above fit with a marriage in 1846. If Thomas Mary were together 1841 - 1846, you would expect other children, do you think?
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Interesting thread and some great sleuthing going on.
There is an article in the Glasgow Constitutional on the 6th, 9th, 13th and 17th July 1853 headed Hylton's Royal Menagerie - Glasgow Fair. It lists a large collection of wild animals to be on display to the public. Towards the end of the article "The menagerie is enlivened by a Brass Band - Leader Mr. Thomas Horton, R.A."
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Was Mary Adcock the mother of Alfred or someone else ?
Alfred 1842 mmn ?
Jane ORTON M qtr. 1847-1848 (mmn Adcock) Leicester Union
Eliza HORTON D qtr. 1850 (mmn Adcock). Leicester
Thomas HORTON D qtr. 1852-1854 (mmn Adcock) Leicester
If is birth registered was registered who knows what spelling his surname might be :-\
Earlier in the thread, I think we discovered a child pre 1841 for Mary. She was possibly Sarah?
The three children above fit with a marriage in 1846. If Thomas Mary were together 1841 - 1846, you would expect other children, do you think?
John Adcock married Mary Broughton, she died in Blaby in 1829.
Sarah must be his second wife, several marriage possibilities. James's mother is Sarah, I think Joseph must be Mary (Broughton).s.
Little Sarah is with family in 1851 as grandchild. She was bapt in Blaby in 1836, mother Mary no father named.
So is Albert another illeg child of Mary's and adopted name Horton or is he Thomas Horton's by a previous relationship.
If the Edinburgh marriage is the one, why did two people from Leicestershire marry in Scotland?
Heywood yes you were correct - I've brought forward the findings from LizzieL
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Interesting thread and some great sleuthing going on.
There is an article in the Glasgow Constitutional on the 6th, 9th, 13th and 17th July 1853 headed Hylton's Royal Menagerie - Glasgow Fair. It lists a large collection of wild animals to be on display to the public. Towards the end of the article "The menagerie is enlivened by a Brass Band - Leader Mr. Thomas Horton, R.A."
Super find :)
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There might be accounts of visits by travelling menageries in local newspapers. Try search terms, menagerie, names of menagerie proprietors (some are mentioned on the blog), names of local fairs.
I did a quick search for the word menagerie in newspaper index on FindMyPast. 314 hits for Leicestershire 1800-1849, most after 1830. Examples: Wombell's Menagerie visited Leicestershire in October 1841 & 1847. They may have been annual visits to local fairs. Leicester, Loughborough, then on to Market Harborough during 2 weeks in October 1841. (Wombell was mentioned in the "Travelling Menageries" blog article I quoted in previous post.) "The Greatest Novelty in Leicester" in October 1847 was "The Chimpanzee which has just been added to Womble's Immense Menagerie" according to "Leicester Journal" 8th Oct. 1847. There was "A distressing incident " involving a young woman animal-handler at Nottingham Fair in 1847. Another news story was about a menagerie and an early railway company.
Your couple may have married in Scotland by chance, because that's where they happened to be when they decided to marry.
Were they both "of age"? People aged 16-21 could marry in Scotland without parental consent when parental consent was needed for marriages in England until age 21.
Considering careers of 19thC. musicians, there was the growth of parks with bandstands. Walking in a town park and listening to a band was a respectable pastime, even on Sunday afternoon. Other employment opportunities were concerts and balls. More comfortable than accompanying animals around the country.
I remember an orang-utan at Belle Vue. :( I was reminded of it when Jane Goodall (of chimpanzee fame) mentioned orang-utans on "The Infinite Monkey Cage" radio programme on Monday. Queen Victoria saw one and was disturbed by the human-like characteristics.
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There is an article in the Glasgow Constitutional on the 6th, 9th, 13th and 17th July 1853 headed Hylton's Royal Menagerie - Glasgow Fair. It lists a large collection of wild animals to be on display to the public. Towards the end of the article "The menagerie is enlivened by a Brass Band - Leader Mr. Thomas Horton, R.A."
Glasgow Fair evolved into Glasgow Fair Fortnight, the annual summer holidays.
A great-grandson of Edward Hylton, founder of Hylton's Royal Menagerie, posted replies to a blog about Wombwell's Menagerie on Norfolk Record Office website. The article is about drawings of Wombwell's Menagerie's visit to Norwich in the Eaton Collection.
https://norfolkrecordofficeblog.org/2016/02/18/wombwells-travelling-menagerie-how-animals-have-inspired-art-in-the-archives
There were 3 Wombwell Menageries on the go at one time. (I was spelling the name "Wombell", without the 2nd w. I trust they cleared every site of litter before they left. ;D)
National Fairground and Circus Archive, University of Sheffield
https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/nfca/projects/menagerieshistory
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A website and blog about travelling menageries is George Wombwell Menagerie website. It includes material about other menageries. There's an ephemera collection and a gallery. Photos of bandsmen in the gallery. You could add information.
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Is anyone able to see the Nottingham Guardian 22nd December 1853
Also 30th December 1853- Lincolnshire Chronicle.
Reference to Mr Thomas Horton, native of Blaby, leader of the band of ? Menagerie (suspect it’s means Hylton’s) , please?
I am not sure if the reference to Kerry is the same article.
There is also an unrelated report re Glasgow, August 1853 about a ‘mischievous urchin’ thrusting a needle into the nose of a lion. (Presumably not called Albert) Hylton’s menagerie.
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Is anyone able to see the Nottingham Guardian 22nd December 1853
Nottinghamshire Guardian 22 December 1853
DEATHS
At Tralee, in Kerry County Ireland a few days since Mr Thomas Horton, leader of the band of Hylton’s menagerie, and a native of Blaby Leicestershire
EDIT to add well found Heywood :)
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Is anyone able to see the Nottingham Guardian 22nd December 1853
Also 30th December 1853- Lincolnshire Chronicle.
Reference to Mr Thomas Horton, native of Blaby, leader of the band of ? Menagerie (suspect it’s means Hylton’s) , please?
I am not sure if the reference to Kerry is the same article.
I can see only extracts. Also in "Stamford Mercury". "Hylton's menagerie" in "Stamford Mercury". Was it his death? Somebody was aged 77 at death but I don't know if it was him or the next person.
I'd wondered if the menagerie toured Ireland.
1853 was before death registrations began in Ireland.
I see Ladyhawk has it.
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Yes, well found heywood.
Also in the Leicester Chronicle, 24 Dec 1853
A mention in the "Kerry Examiner and Munster General Observer", 6 Dec 1853. Page 3
He may have still been alive then!
something like
"The Collection accompanied by talented Brass Band—Leader, Mr. Thomas Horton. R.A"
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for info. - (reply 23 and brought forward reply 85)
re: 1866 marriage Eliza Horton - mention of the marriage
Leicester Mail 15 September 1866
On the 6th inst; at St Margaret’s by the Rev. T Jones, Mr G Corrall, Grosvenor Street, to Eliza second daughter of Thomas Horton, of this town.
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Also a few times in the Munster News in Nov 1853, poss are adverts
Academy is enlivened by a splendid Band —Leader, Thomas Horton R. A.
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Thanks.
I am trying to get an idea re death year.
I haven’t seen any newspaper snippets after December 1853.
Child Thomas was born 1852 and died 1854.
You would think there would be a death announcement.
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I am trying to get an idea re death year.
You have found it! In December 1853
They were death announcements.
John
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Well - thanks Jon. I didn’t expect that.
I was then hoping a local announcement which mentioned Alfred. The death is too early for Irish civil registration.
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Be nice if a burial could be found. That may be a tall order if it was in Ireland!
So much has now been found, well done, especially to yourself, heywood, and the amazing ladyhawk.
John
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Thank you Jon.
But - who is Alfred? That’s the real search.
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There is also an unrelated report re Glasgow, August 1853 about a ‘mischievous urchin’ thrusting a needle into the nose of a lion. (Presumably not called Albert) Hylton’s menagerie.
Messrs Hylton & Manders Menagerie was touring Ireland autumn-winter 1853 under the proprietorship of Joseph Hylton. It visited Galway, October. Claimed to be the largest collection of wild beasts ever exhibited in Ireland. 1854 tour of Ireland was as Manders Royal Menagerie, proprietor William Manders. (Reported in various Irish newspapers)
A tiger escaped from a cage in while Hylton's Menagerie was travelling to Limekiln in March 1852 and killed a horse. Limekiln was a village somewhere near Edinburgh. The menagerie had been at the Grassmarket, Edinburgh for a few weeks. (Reported in various papers) A wolf escaped from Wombwell's menagerie when it was touring Wales in April that year and killed some sheep. (Various papers). Wombwell's "Lion Queen" had been killed by one of her charges a few years earlier. (1847?)
If the stint at Grassmarket was an annual fixture, it would account for the Edinburgh marriage.
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2 other RootsChatters have added Horton/Orton from Leicestershire to "Surname Interests".
HORTON, Leicestershire, Cosby/Blaby
ORTON, Leicestershire
"Surname Interests" is on brown section at foot of this page. Click on it for access.
You can add your own Horton family.
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22nd Oct 1853 The Galway Mercury
Government Collection
WILD BEASTS
Shortly will arrive in Galloway
Important Novelties
Beneficial public information
Lists many animals.......
at end of Article
The Zoological Academy is enlivened by a splendid Brass Band Leader Mr Thomas Horton R.A. Agent in advance Professor Lee.
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But - who is Alfred? That’s the real search.
It would be great if we could find his mother‘s name
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Hello everyone! Apologies for not commenting on all the amazing discoveries you have made today. Unfortunately that pesky thing called real life got in the way of more important stuff ;)
Thanks so much for all this. What a can of worms I opened when I started this thread! The stuff you've found about Thomas is fantastic. It's been an object lesson in how to use different sources to get an answer. I will order birth certificate of son Thomas to check father and occupation.
The newspaper entry saying Eliza was his second daughter suggests that perhaps the Sarah Adcock baptised 3 Jan 1836 to Mary was Thomas'. Alfred b. 1842 could also be theirs out of wedlock. I suspect that Thomas and Mary were "together" for some time, then finally decided to marry while in Edinburgh, and the other children followed. Without a baptism for Alfred, we can only surmise.
Lizzie, I did have the Buxton newspaper report of Alfred's illness, thanks. He died of TB, although the family story has it that he left his second wife with two children, ran off to Liverpool with a younger woman, and drank himself to death! We have a photo of him with his face rubbed out - ouch! His wife remarried a man called Thomas Greenhalgh, and when Alfred's youngest daughter got married in 1899, she named him and not Alfred as her father on the registration. Had we not known the history, it would have caused some confusion and speculation in itself!
The musical gene was passed on: his grandson, also called Alfred, was lead trumpet in the Harry Roy swing band in the 20's and 30's - a big deal, I believe.
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Maiden Stone: thanks for pointing out the Leicestershire Surname section. I'll have a look tomorrow. Yikes! Make that today!
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If the stint at Grassmarket was an annual fixture, it would account for the Edinburgh marriage.
Historical info about Grassmarket from Official Guide to Edinburgh
https://edinburgh.org/discover/explore-areas/grassmarket/
Historic marketplace (cattle and horses) and event space in Old Town district of Edinburgh. Events included public executions. There was a large number of very cheap lodging-houses in 19thC. Pic. of statue of Greyfriars Bobby, Candlemakers Row.*
* Abode of Thomas at marriage was Candlemakers Row. Mary's abode was Grassmarket. (Reply #66_)
Wiki article about Grassmarket has a scene painted 1845.
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Posting this one for cross checking:
Sep 1841 Qtr - Alfred Orton mmn Clarke Billesdon 15 43.
However there is also a William Orton registered in 1838 mmn Clark.
Is probably not our man, but there were no further Orton/Horton births mmn Clark/e in Billesdon after Alfred.
Has this Alfred been accounted for?
I'm just wondering if Thomas had 2 families at the same time. (Not wishing to cast aspersions, but if he was frequently away from home ...).
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There are a couple of Orton/Clark/e marriages according to published trees but Alfred not included.
There is a William with parents John and Sarah in Leicester in 1841.
There is a death in 1842 - Alfred Orton, 0 yrs, Leicester.
There is a death in 1843 x William Orton in Leicester.
Burton Overy is within Billesdon registration district and 1851 2089/1 shows John and Sarah Orton with children - mmn Clark.
It doesn’t look as though Alfred b Billesdon is ours.
As the Orton/Horton /Adcock children all seem to be born after the marriage, I doubt that John and Mary were together for several years before that. Unless the children were born and died elsewhere :-\
With regard to Eliza being the 2nd daughter, that might be based on the first daughter being Jane who died.
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Of course, I forgot about Jane :-\
As you said, despite all this fantastic information, we are no nearer pinning down Alfred's mother, whether it was Mary Adcock before she and Thomas were married, or a wife from a previous marriage that we haven't found.
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Of course, I forgot about Jane :-\
As you said, despite all this fantastic information, we are no nearer pinning down Alfred's mother, whether it was Mary Adcock before she and Thomas were married, or a wife from a previous marriage that we haven't found.
And we don't even know if he was actually the son of either of them. On the 1851 census his relationship to Thomas is not given. He might have been a nephew or adopted.
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I wrote that earlier, Lizzie thinking on the same lines.
I wondered too if he was part of the act or troupe and raised by them. There are few Alfred Orton/Horton births around that time and I think we have followed them but not sure now. He might have been registered with a completely different name.
It’s very frustrating.
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Although not proven that Mary Horton, Heard nee Adcock was Alfred's mother
thought you might like to have her burial just in case........
Cemetery: Oxbridge Lane Cemetery
Mary Heard 1818 Blaby, Blaby District, Leicestershire
Died 25 Dec 1887
Emily Heard 1863 Scotland
Died 31 Dec 1890
George Gabriel Heard 1818 Leicestershire
Died 06 Aug 1897
Headstone
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/201271939/mary-heard
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I have really enjoyed following this fascinating thread. Although the initial query hasn't yet been solved, it just goes to show what interesting family stories and social history can be found with some excellent detective work. I had no idea about these travelling shows and musical accompaniment! Well done everyone.
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I've enjoyed it too. Makes a change from my farmers, shopkeepers and millhands.
Where was Alfred for 1861 census?
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A mention in the "Kerry Examiner and Munster General Observer", 6 Dec 1853. Page 3
He may have still been alive then!
something like
"The Collection accompanied by talented Brass Band—Leader, Mr. Thomas Horton. R.A"
"R.A.", Royal Academy of Music? Was Alfred also a student of the Royal Academy? Are there surviving documents from the time? Royal Academy of Music was founded 1822.
Musing again about band musicians and how a stocking-maker's son became a musician. Some churches used to have a group of musicians to play at services before organ music became the norm. Large towns and cities had waites bands until 19thC which had ceremonial duties.
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Maiden Stone, here is Alfred.
1861 3812/84/2
Alfred Horton 19yrs Musician b Leicester
He is a boarder in Newcastle. There is another musician also boarding.
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Possible other reasons;
He was illeg.
Thomas Horton married or never married his Mother.
His Birth wasnt reg, Father died, Mother remarried before 1851 Census.
Another possible reason His parents Baptists?
If so it would be adult(14+) Baptism by total immersion usually in that era in the sea (still happens) or local watercourse. Baptisteries in the church came later.
I am late to the thread so this point may have been made
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It's possible Alfred was a baptist. He was buried in Anfield Cemetery, Liverpool. A very early post in the thread told us this is a non-conformist burial ground. His second wife came from a staunch Wesleyan family.
Regarding the Edinburgh marriage, 88 Candlemaker's Row, where Thomas was staying has featured in other enquiries on RootsChat. It was a lodging house. One post mentions that in 1901, there are 83 people living there. It is now Canmore, the National Record of the Historic Environment. There are pictures here
https://canmore.org.uk/site/117894/edinburgh-84-86-88-candlemaker-row-greyfriars-kirk-house
Maiden Stone, now I know Alfred's M.O. as it were, I intend to look for menageries in Newcastle in 1861. I think his circus career was short. The 1876 Buxton newspaper report about his illness that Lizzie posted, states that he had been a member of the Buxton Summer band for ten years. The Boorn's Gigantic Russian Circus reference is dated 1865. I found this in the Cardiff Times from 1866:
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3384311/3384315
It's an advert that gives a fantastic description of the bizarre acts in the circus, but states the Band leader is a Mr. Collins. Alfred Horton had moved on, presumably to Buxton, but also to Torquay. He married his first wife there on 4 Jan 1868. He certainly didn't let the grass grow under his feet. I need to dig in newspapers to see if I can find reference to him in Devon.
In 1871, Alfred was in Torquay, a widower, with his young daughter Ada Emily. His dead wife's family are living next door.
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I can find no burial records in any Irish websites for Thomas Horton. :(
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Anfield Cemetery is the Non Conformist Cemetery.
It's a cemetery with sections for C of E burials, as well as for non-conformists (where Alfred is buried), and roman catholics.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/397178?availability=Family%20History%20Library
As a bonus, FamilySearch has the order books.
Alfred Horton in the unconsecrated ground, note they originally spelt his name as Houghton!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9Y4-M94C-Q
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I can find no burial records in any Irish websites for Thomas Horton. :(
I assume that he was buried in or near Tralee as that was where he died. As he was English and a stranger he may have been buried in a Church of Ireland parish graveyard.
Information for Tralee regarding churches, cemeteries, and records on GENUKI Tralee pages.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/KER/Tralee
Tralee was in the C. of I. diocese of Ardfert. There were Non-Conformist chapels as well as C. of I and R.C.
There are various links from the page. One is to a website about Kerry burials but the link is broken.
The bad news is that many Church of Ireland registers which had been deposited in Dublin were destroyed in an explosion and fire in 1921 during the civil war. The good news is that many survived. Collection, cataloguing, digitisation and indexing of surviving registers is ongoing.
Church of Ireland registers
https://www.ireland.anglican.org
"Genealogy" tab is under "About". Information about transcription & digitisation. Links to more information.
Church of Ireland Parish Register (updated Jan. 2020)
This is a list compiled by C. of I., arranged alphabetically by parish. Entries are colour-coded. Tralee burials 1805-1873 are coded yellow which means originals survived and are in Dublin. See remarks in comment column.
Irish Genealogy.ie is the official website with civil registration records for births, marriages and deaths. It's free to use. You have to sign in each time and show you're not a bot. https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ Death registration began 1864. Too early for Thomas.
There are some church registers and more are being added. County Kerry is a work-in-progress so keep checking.
Irish Graveyards
https://www.irishgraveyards.ie/index.html
The accompanying map shows that the graveyards done to date are mostly in counties in 2 provinces, Connaught and Ulster. None so far in County Kerry. (Thomas may not have had a tombstone.)
Irish Genealogy Toolkit is a guide to Irish FH research
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com
There are organisations and websites for Kerry FH research. There may be some listed on the Kerry board.
I once stayed in Tralee for a few days. Was attending the Fleadh (as a spectator, not a musician). I was looking after someone's harp in a pub when another customer came up to me and asked me for a tune. The harp's owner was a stranger to me but entrusted me with her precious possession.
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Thanks for finding the Anfield Cemy order book, Jon. Fascinating. 11/6 for a funeral was not much, even in 1876, about £60 now. It really was a simple funeral. The family story was that he'd been buried "in a paupers' grave", and this bears that out somewhat.
And thanks for all the Irish information, Maiden Stone. I tried irishgenealogy.ie, irland-anglican.org, and kerrylaburials.ie, but got no results from any of them. I'll check the ones you've sent and not give up. The Kerry FH people might be able to help. It would be nice to know his final resting place, even if there's no headstone.