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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: Glosterboy on Friday 14 August 20 12:15 BST (UK)
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Hello, I have recently discovered one of my relatives during WW1 was awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal. Plus a Clasp. Of which I can not decipher the reason/description of the Clasp. In fact I have no knowledge of why he was awarded the DCM. I have attached his Military History Sheet upon which this award is recorded. Please can anybody read and decipher the words in the Clasp column? Thanks.
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It just a note of its publication date in the London Gazette
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You should be able to find the citation on Ancestry: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/1913/
Or FindMyPast: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/world-records/full-list-of-united-kingdom-records/armed-forces-and-conflict/wwi-distinguished-conduct-medal-citations
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Thanks. I can now see where London Gazette is mentioned. Thanks again.
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If he was awarded the DCM and clasp it basically means he was awarded it twice so there should be two London Gazette entries.
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Thanks. As you can detect from the attached Military History Sheet. There is an entry in the Name of Medal column - Distinguished Conduct Medal and an entry in the Clasps column - of which I can't decipher. Of which I have now been kindly informed refers to an entry within the London Gazette and a date 3-?-19. So, what is Crumblie referring too? Thanks.
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Clerks then and now were wont to use any spare space on a record that suited them, here the clerk has simply (and usefully) put the LG date under the clasp heading.
A second DCM is denoted by a Bar to the DCM not a clasp.
MaxD
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You may find his citation in the National Archives series WO 391 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/browse/r/h/C14595
If you need help post his name and number.
MaxD
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I need help please.
21737 Pte Reuben Edward Dyer 4th Battalion Grenadier Guards.
Any and all information would be very much appreciated.
Thank You.
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London Gazette:
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31370/page/6847 (30 May 1919)
MaxD
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It seems that the citation register doesn't cover those awarded in this list. This was normal where the award was for a sustained period of distinguished conduct rather than one specific act.
https://www.researchingww1.co.uk/grenadier-guards-ww1
Max
War diary info later
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Thanks very much.
Hopefully somewhere its recorded of what was the circumstances of this award to him. I have a copy of the 4th BN GG 1915-1919 war diary. I can't find anything within reference of this award.
Thanks.
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Citation on Ancestry (bottom of column 1) https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1913/images/31825_217834-00016
It shows a different Gazette date - 11 March 1920
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Thanks for all your help. As you can detect Reuben did survive WW1. I'm currently attempting to get his todays relatives "on-board" to establish firstly are they aware of this V.Special award? And secondly if so, does the medal still survive?
Unfortunately, I don't have access to subscription "Find Family" sites.
If you do discover anything reference within the War Diary it would be appreciated. I looked through it and found nothing. But, I could easily have missed something.
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Kudos ShaunJ.
The citation is in the 11 March 1920 London Gazette that ShaunJ identifies
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31819/supplement/3036 :
It is in the register for the 1920 LG. ((I looked for the May 1919 one) http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14728191 image 22
As far as finding something in the war diary is concerned, the first part of the citation which refers to his good service and gallant conduct from August 1915 to November 1918 confirms that the award was for a sustained period. It refers to his conduct on bringing up the rations under difficult circumstances on 13 April - but singularly fails to say which year so you should look at each year in the war diary.
MaxD
The war diaries are here:http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_aq=WO%2095&_ep=4%20battalion%20grenadier&_dss=range&_ro=any&_st=adv the ones you don't have can be downloaded free at the moment.
MaxD