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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: OBrien1 on Friday 14 August 20 20:38 BST (UK)
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Hi I'm looking for any information on William O'Brien and his wife Elizabeth.
We know of one of their children being born in Co Wexford around 1837 Catherine Brien who went on to marry a man called Malee or Melee.
We found this out in the 1901 Census records.
They all went on to live in Dalkey Co Dublin.
We Have no date of death for William but Elizabeth his wife died in 1898.
William is down as a Farmer on all his kids wedding certs.
They had a son called William who died in 1867 and also Patrick possibly born in wexford also, and another daughter named Bridget.
Any help greatly appreciated.
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If you know of a Catherine born 1837, and a William died 1868, then perhaps you know a location(s)?
Have you looked in tythe (NAI website) and Griffiths valuations (Ask About Ireland website)?
https://genealogy.nationalarchives.ie/ (https://genealogy.nationalarchives.ie/)
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/)
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Yes, Both from Dalkey.
No information on the births locations.
One of the siblings born Co Wexford.
I will check links you posted.
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We know of one of their children being born in Co Wexford around 1837 Catherine Brien who went on to marry a man called Malee or Melee.
This looks like Catherine's marriage to James MULLEE:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11384/8180108.pdf
Elizabeth Snr's death?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05814/4646106.pdf
Debra :)
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Yes, Both from Dalkey.
No information on the births locations.
One of the siblings born Co Wexford.
I will check links you posted.
So, what are the other possible birth dates, other than the 1836 one you mentioned?
Should we take it William died 1868 in Dalkey?
Birthplace of co. Wexford comes from 1901 or 1911 census?
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We know of one of their children being born in Co Wexford around 1837 Catherine Brien who went on to marry a man called Malee or Melee.
This looks like Catherine's marriage to James MULLEE:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11384/8180108.pdf
Elizabeth Snr's death?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05814/4646106.pdf
Debra :)
Debra thanks yes we have them records.
Was hoping we could get some information on the marriage of William and Elizabeth or their birth records or something.
Greatly appreciated thanks
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Yes, Both from Dalkey.
No information on the births locations.
One of the siblings born Co Wexford.
I will check links you posted.
So, what are the other possible birth dates, other than the 1836 one you mentioned?
Should we take it William died 1868 in Dalkey?
Birthplace of co. Wexford comes from 1901 or 1911 census?
Young William passed in 1867. He was around 30 years of age.
His sister Kate Melee on the 1901 census stated Co Wexford as her birth, her sister Elizabeth states Dublin.
It's the parents Elizabeth and William I'm looking for information on.
Apart from Elizabeth death in 1898 theres no more information on her or her husband.
She lived in Sorrento road Dalkey at her death in 1898.
On her burial records it says widow of William O'Brien ( Farmer ).
No burial records for him or date of death.
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I perfectly understand that you want to get back to the parents, and I am trying to help you.... :)
What you should understand is that every bit of information - no matter how small - helps!
For example, still not clear where William died in 1867 - what was his occupation? What is the source of the information - a death registration?
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On the tythe valuations for Co. Wexford, I see
4 William Bryan entries, two of which are probably the same person.
3 William Brien entries
0 William o'Brien.
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I perfectly understand that you want to get back to the parents, and I am trying to help you.... :)
What you should understand is that every bit of information - no matter how small - helps!
For example, still not clear where William died in 1867 - what was his occupation? What is the source of the information - a death registration?
Thanks.
His burial record in Deansgrange cemetery.
Hes single and it says 31 years old.
Labourer Occupation.
Cant access a death cert have to order one.
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On the tythe valuations for Co. Wexford, I see
4 William Bryan entries, two of which are probably the same person.
3 William Brien entries
0 William o'Brien.
Cheers.
William Brien would more than likely be the name rather than O'Brien.
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Well, lets see:
Of the 4 William Bryans listed in the tythe valuations the first two are the same person - William Bryan, Esq in Ferns. So, not yours!
The next William Bryan is mistranscribed. The correct townland is Lower Ballinclay, and the correct parish is Whitechurch Glynn (not Whitechurch, which is a separate parish!), and has a holding of 6-3-0 (A-R-P)
Final Bryan in Ballredmond only has 0-0-31 (A-R-P). Clearly a labourer's holding, so he also can be ruled out.
Turning to the three William Briens, the latter two are house plots in the town of Enniscorthy, so they can be eliminated. The first entry, for the fellow in Upton, is for a farm of 8-0-20 (A-R-P), shared with others.
So, you are left with one Bryan, and one Brien as possibilities.
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Turning to Griffith's Valuation in 1853:
William Brien of Lower Ballinclay is still there - No. 1 in the listing. (Note spelling change).
William Brien of Upton is gone. The landlord for the townland is listed as Loftus A. Bryan.
As Elizabeth Brien, age 50 on the 1901 census, is said to be born in Co. Dublin, it seems to indicate that the family had already left Co. Wexford by 1853. That argues in favor of the Upton location and against Ballinclay.
Upton is in the parish of Kilmuckridge. You can search online indices if you have subscription access, or just browse through the register pages yourself on the NLI website.
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In first post, OP mentions "all of kids marriage certs". That seems to indicate that there is at least one more, in addition to Catherine in 1870?
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In first post, OP mentions "all of kids marriage certs". That seems to indicate that there is at least one more, in addition to Catherine in 1870?
Wexflyer.
I am baffled and astonished at all that information you have dug up.
I am extremely grateful you took that time and effort to narrow it down to the said place I really am thank you a million times.
And yes as far as I'm aware there was three girls Catherine Bridgit and Elizabeth then Patrick and William Jnr.
I will look deeper into that location and again I cant thank you enough for the effort and details.
Kindest regards 👍👍👍
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An important point. The analysis I did relies on one thing: that William was a farmer. That he was such seems to be from just one marriage registration. Does any other document confirm this - another marriage cert (your use of plural certs)?
My concern is that "social promotion" was not unheard of in those days, any more than in our time. In particular, the 1898 death cert says he was a steward, not a farmer. Perhaps a later occupation, but....
But if William was really a labourer or a steward while in Wexford, then all bets are off, and my "analysis" fails. Many/most labourers don't appear at all in the tythe valuations, and of course three of those I eliminated would be relevant again.
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That is very true yes.
It does say steward.
On his daughter Bridget Donnelly marriage cert he is a farmer.
On his mother daughter Kate Melee wedding he is a farmer.
On his son Patrick's wedding he is a farmer also. That is as far as 1882.
It doesn't say if hes deceased or not on any of them.
Regards