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My 3 x Great DAVID PLUMB was a boot & shoe maker in Stepney / Mile End Old Town in Middelsex in the 1830 / 40s. He is recorded as age 35 and Born Out of County in the 1841 census and died in 1847.
The only records for a birth / baptism I have found are:
David son of Henry & Ann Plum at Swerford, Oxfordshire on 30/1/1803
David son of John Gregory & Mary Plumb at Shenington, Oxfordshire on 21/02/1802
Can anyone help with the occupation of Henry or John Gregory as David may have followed in his fathers footsteps? Also, does anyone know if bootmakers Appentice Indentures are available?
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His age at death according to the GRO index was 45
PLUMB, DAVID age 45
GRO Reference: 1847 June Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 343
In the census for 1851 & 1861 there is a David Plumb bn Shennington/Sherrington, Gloucestershire living in Long Crendon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenington
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Also in 1851 is a David Plumb whose place of birth is 'Severford', Oxordshire - living Cheltenham
Added he is living with his sister Sarah (Boote)
HO107/1973
Folio 575
Page 10
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I notice 3 of the children have surnames as middle names.
Ayle(s)worth, Stretton & Andrews (mmn).
You could see if the other 2 names have any connection to the Plumb family.
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Maria’s father was Thomas Emanuel Aylesworth. I haven’t found the Stretton connection though.
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DAVID PLUMB married MARIA SUSANNAH ANDREWS and their children included:
JAMES STRETTON
THOMAS EMMANUEL
ROBERT AYLESWORTH
WILLIAM ANDREWS
SUSANNAH VAUGHAN
As Emmanuel, Aylesworth and Andrews come from Maria's father maybe Stretton & Vaughan are from David's family. Once / if I finally find where David was born, the origin of Stretton & Vaughan may be become known.
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DAVID PLUMB married MARIA SUSANNAH ANDREWS and their children included:
JAMES STRETTON
Stratton, not Stretton!
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Casting around (vainly?)
In 1841, there is a William Plumb, 70, in Leytonstone, Essex
Cordwainer
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ2V-9QW
Great non-microfilm image on ancestry :)
He seems to be in Pigot's London and Provincial Directory, 1840
Boot & Shoe Makers in Low Leyton
A marriage at Dagenham, 4 March 1794
William Plumb of Low Layton and Mary Andrews(!)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLGB-TB7L
Transcribed on FreeReg (who spell as Low Leyton)
Could it be the same William we see in 41?
So far only one baptism
21 Feb 1813 at Leyton
Charles
parents William and Mary Plumb
abode Leytonstone
father a Shoemaker
BT here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSLX-1PT?i=1443&cat=513964
Your man David had had his children baptized non-conformist (haven't gone into what) as well as the St Dunstan baptisms?
Back to William...you never know!
PLUMB, WILLIAM
Age at Death (in years): 79
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 12 Page 222
Buried at Leyton, 22 Nov 1846
BT
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSLF-MP2?i=2363
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Your man David had had his children baptized non-conformist (haven't gone into what) as well as the St Dunstan baptisms?
LONDON: Dr Williams' Library; Index to Register of Certificates: 8001-17116
James Plumb born 20 Oct 1831 Bpt 25 Dec 1831 Independent
David of No 5 Sto?er Street Commercial Road St Dunstan Stepney
& Maria Susannah, dau of Thomas Andrews of Fitzroy Square
James Stratton Plumb Born 20 Oct 1831 Dissenters David & Maria Susannah
Robert Ayleworth Plumb Born 1 Sep 1835 Dissenters David & Maria Susannah
Thomas Emanuel Plumb Born 23 Mar 1833 Dissenters David & Maria Susannah
William Andrews Plumb Born 4 Jan 1837 Dissenters David & Maria Susannah
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Thank you, Ladyhawk :)
Dr. Williams and his library always makes me a bit nervous!
I must have done something very wrong previously because I have now found a heap of baptisms in Leyton to William and Mary Plumb. Sadly there is no David.
All very embarrassing!
John
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Thanks for all the info some of which I knew and some new. I will follow up the Leytonstone connection as it is fairly close to Stepney / MEOT.
James Stratton was killed in a train accident in Kent in 1862 and the newspaper reports of the inquest make interesting reading with the cause due to largely "lack of maintenance" so nothing new there!
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Have you already seen the James Plumb bc.1808 -bootmaker- living in Oxford Street, Stepney (around the same time that David was in the area)? Oxford Street ran through Jubilee Street, and alongside Clark Street.
By 1851 James has moved to a different street in the area. On the census he claims to have been born in Sibly Headingley, Essex
Should be Sible Headingham
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Lily M - thanks for the post.
Plumb families are fairly widespread across north Essex [includes Sible Hedingham], south Suffolk and south Cambridge.
I need do some more searching to see if I can find David's baptism and hopefully his father's occupation which may then connect him to James.
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I came across a couple, James and Rosanna (same name as one of David’s daughters) Plumb, living in Sible Headingham who married in 1793.
Frustratingly, I can’t find the records for the Sible Headingham baptist church. They’re not on the Essex Archives site. So no record of any baptisms for their children.
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"My" David and Maria Susannah had 8 children including 2 females but sadly neither survived and didnt include a Rosanna. I therefore assume you are referring to a different family.
A check of the images of the 1841 census for Sible Hedingham did not reveal any Plumb / Bootmakers so maybe they had moved to the Stepney area.
I think the James / bootmaker / Sible Hedingham is an avenue to pursue for further research.
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I thought they had 11 children! Maybe not, but the GRO shows Plumb children born after 1837 in Stepney with mother’s maiden name Andrews as:
Anna Maria b.1838 dd.1838
David b.1839 dd.1840
Henry b.1841
Rosanna Maria b.1842 dd.1851
Charlotte Sarah b.1844
Susannah Vaughan b.1846 dd.1846
David Benoni b.1847 dd.1847
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I have the following children for DAVID & MARIA SUSANNAH PLUMB [NEE ANDREWS]:
JAMES STRATTON 1831 - 1862
THOMAS EMMANUEL 1833 - 1890
ROBERT AYLESWORTH 1835 - 1901
WILLIAM ANDREWS 1837 - 1868
ANN MARIA 1838 - 1838
DAVID 1839 - 1840
HENRY 1840 - 1878
SUSANNAH VAUGHAN 1846 - 1846
Ref the others mentioned :
ROSANNA MARIA ]
CHARLOTTE SARAH ]unable to find baptism
DAVID BENONI Benoni seems to be connected to a Plumb family in Suffolk
Also found:
MARY ANN 1846 - 1851 Non Conformist burial but unknown Plumb address. Unable to find baptism.
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The Mary Ann Plumb burial address is in Holborn, so she was probably the one baptised there in 1846.
Do you use the GRO Index site? It’s very helpful as it gives the mother’s maiden name, so we can see that Rosanna, Charlotte and David Benoni all had the mother’s maiden name of Andrews. I haven’t found a baptism for them though. Nor a death for Charlotte.
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Lily M,
Thanks for the tip about mothers maiden name in GRO records as I thought it was only visible from 1911.
I was aware of Ann Maria and Susannah Vaughan but didnt have their birth certs. For the sake of completion, I have ordered copies along with those for the new siblings you identified [Rosanna Maria, Charlotte Sarah and David Benom].
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Certs now received and no suprises. All confirm:
David the father was a bootmaker or shoemaker
Mother was Maria or Maria Susannah nee Andrews
Born at 17 Jubilee Place or 17 Jubilee Street in Stepney
For the sake of completion I will now order the death certs
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Well you’re certainly thorough! Frustrating that David Plumb’s early life is still proving to be a mystery.
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Trying to order the death certs from the GRO is not proving straight forward:
From FreeBMD
Deaths Sep 1838
Plumb Ann Maria Stepney 2 350 - ORDERED
Deaths Jun 1846
Plumb Susannah Vaughan Stepney 2 321 - ORDERED
Deaths Jun 1847
PLUMB David Stepney 2 343 - ALREADY HAVE
PLUMB David Bononi Whitechapel 2 433 same quarter as his father above but not in Stepney for some reason - ORDERED
Deaths Mar 1851
PLUMB Rosanna Maria Stepney 2 422 tried lots of different searches but cant find on GRO so cant order!!
If anyone can offer advice on how to 'find' Rosanna on the GRO so I cna order I would be very grateful
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Rosanna is listed on FreeBMD but seems to have been missed off the GRO site.
Rosanna Maria Plumb Stepney Jan-Mar 1851 Vol.2 Page 422
I wonder if baby David died in the London Hospital, in Whitechapel
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Death certs now received:
Ann Maria - fathers occupation and address as expected
Susannah Vaughan - as above
David Benoni - fathers occupation but deceased as expected. Mother is at an 'unknown' address at death [ie not parents or children]. Another item to follow up on.
The cause of death for both Ann and Susannah relate to the back. Ann died of a tumor on the back and Susannah had spina bifida.