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Title: Can't locate after 1863 Plumstead (London/ Kent) Marriage
Post by: PaulineJ on Friday 21 August 20 08:02 BST (UK)
It may be that I've been looking too long, but:

William Patterson, aged 29y a labourer, Father William Patterson a labourer
Sarah Brown aged 25y (aged 14y @ 1851 census, no 1841/ baptism found* ), father David Brown a Painter. Witnessed by bride's (sister and her husband)    (Esther & Henry Taylor)

*Unless in 1841 Woolwich she is also Betsy Morris, the 4-y-old child of unwed aunt Betsy Morris.

Pauline
Title: Re: Can't locate after 1863 Plumstead (London/ Kent) Marriage
Post by: jonw65 on Friday 21 August 20 08:25 BST (UK)
Could they have gone to the United States?
William and Sarah Patterson in Kansas in 1870
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCJ2-H65

and 1880
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFPB-19K


PATTERSON, WILLIAM  JOHN     
Mother's Maiden Surname: BROWN 
GRO Reference: 1864  D Quarter in LEWISHAM UNION  Volume 01D  Page 734

PATTERSON, ROBERT  DAVID     
Mother's Maiden Surname: BROWN 
GRO Reference: 1867  M Quarter in LEWISHAM UNION  Volume 01D  Page 866
Title: Re: Can't locate after 1863 Plumstead (London/ Kent) Marriage
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 21 August 20 08:35 BST (UK)
William John Patterson
Born        18 October 1864
Baptism    8 Jan 1865    Plumstead St Margaret,
Father:    William Patterson, labourer
Mother:    Sarah Patterson

Robert David Patterson
Born         23 January 1867
Baptism     5 May 1867     Plumstead St Margaret,
Father:    William Patterson, labourer
Mother:    Sarah Patterson
Title: Re: Can't locate after 1863 Plumstead (London/ Kent) Marriage
Post by: PaulineJ on Friday 21 August 20 09:03 BST (UK)
The USA couple look to be  too young.

I don't think they are the correct couple.

Pauline

Title: Re: Can't locate after 1863 Plumstead (London/ Kent) Marriage
Post by: chempat on Friday 21 August 20 09:18 BST (UK)
Correct family in USA as this death for William

William John Patterson born 18th October 1864 in London, City of London. Died 21st July 1941
at Saint Joseph, Buchanan County, Missouri.
Cemetery:   Saint Joseph Memorial Park  Buchanan County, Missouri
Spouse:   Gertrude Cornelia Patterson

Added:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/200259397/william-john-patterson
Title: Re: Can't locate after 1863 Plumstead (London/ Kent) Marriage
Post by: MaureeninNY on Friday 21 August 20 09:19 BST (UK)
Find a Grave:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47308424/sarah-a_-patterson

Maureen
Title: Re: Can't locate after 1863 Plumstead (London/ Kent) Marriage
Post by: chempat on Friday 21 August 20 09:24 BST (UK)
Robert David Patterson

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47308410/robert-d_-patterson
Title: Re: Can't locate after 1863 Plumstead (London/ Kent) Marriage
Post by: chempat on Friday 21 August 20 09:28 BST (UK)
Immigration 1869 according to 1900 census.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMTK-JNB

William is 66 (born 1833) and Sarah is 64 (born 1836)

Marriage in 1863 gives birth years around 1833 and 1837.
Title: Re: Can't locate after 1863 Plumstead (London/ Kent) Marriage
Post by: PaulineJ on Friday 21 August 20 10:46 BST (UK)
She's very variable on age, but she was claiming 24y 25y at 1863, which is an implied 1838ish birth.

I'll put this in the "maybe" box for now. Pauline



Title: Re: Can't locate after 1863 Plumstead (London/ Kent) Marriage
Post by: chempat on Friday 21 August 20 12:21 BST (UK)
The birth date from baptism for William John Patterson corresponds exactly to the birth date at death in USA.

The birth date from baptism of Robert David Patterson is one day different to the birth date at death in USA.

Why should that be a maybe?

Sorry, marriage was in December so claiming age 25 would imply more likely to be born in 1838.

Previously you had said the censuses made them too young, the 1900 looks pretty good for ages.



Title: Re: Can't locate after 1863 Plumstead (London/ Kent) Marriage
Post by: shellyesq on Wednesday 07 October 20 14:28 BST (UK)
Quote from: chempat on Friday 21 August 20 09:18 BST (UK)
Correct family in USA as this death for William

William John Patterson born 18th October 1864 in London, City of London. Died 21st July 1941
at Saint Joseph, Buchanan County, Missouri.
Cemetery:   Saint Joseph Memorial Park  Buchanan County, Missouri
Spouse:   Gertrude Cornelia Patterson

Added:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/200259397/william-john-patterson

There's a death certificate online for this William - https://www.sos.mo.gov/images/archives/deathcerts/1941/1941_00024541.PDF

However, there is apparently a different William buried with Sarah & Robert in Kansas.  https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47308438/_
Title: Re: Can't locate after 1863 Plumstead (London/ Kent) Marriage
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 07 October 20 14:40 BST (UK)


Obituary for Sarah A Patterson - Ottawa Weekly Republic Ottawa, Kansas
25 Jan 1906, Thu    Page 9

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/60672282/mrs-sarah-a-patterson-25-january-1906/

Sandra
Title: Re: Can't locate after 1863 Plumstead (London/ Kent) Marriage
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 07 October 20 14:55 BST (UK)


Obituary William John Patterson - St. Joseph News-Press
St. Joseph, Missouri - 21 Jul 1941, Mon    Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/60672800/william-patterson-21-july-1941/

Sandra
Title: Re: Can't locate after 1863 Plumstead (London/ Kent) Marriage
Post by: PaulineJ on Wednesday 07 October 20 15:29 BST (UK)
I've not had a subscription recently, so It's all been bookmarked for later review.
But yes, while some census records the adult ages as a bit young, there are other records which correlate with the UK records far better.
I have added them, and will consolidate with references/sources when i have a sub again.

Thanks everyone.
Pauline