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The above was the daughter of Edgar Samuel Terry (1847-1891) and Ruth Ellen nee Bennett (1843-1881) and emigrated to Australia 25 Jan 1894 to Freemantle; she married Charles Oscar Jackson 1899 in Cue, WA. They had 2 children, Mary Ellen b 1899 Cue and Leslie Carl b 1902 Cue. Charles died 1941 at Randwick, NSW and his son, Carl died 15 Jun 1977 Perth, WA and is buried at Karrakatta.
I don't know when Mary Louisa or her daughter Mary Ellen died and whether the latter married?
Cr
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The Murchison Times and Day Dawn Gazette Tue 31 Oct 1899 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/233225870
MARRIAGE.
JACKSON—TERRY.—On the 27th Inst, at Cue, Charles Oscar Jackson of Star of the East to May Louisa Terry.
https://bdm.justice.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
1899 Jackson, Charles Oscar and Terry, Mary Louisa; Cue; #892
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The NSW death: 11/12/1941
26812/1941 JACKSON, Charles Oscar; OSREIN; RANDWICK
SMH 12 Dec 1941 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/27944322
JACKSON.—The Funeral of the late CHARLES OSCAR JACKSON will leave the residence of Mrs. Linda Walker, 71 Fitzroy Street, Surry Hills, THIS FRIDAY, at 2p.m., for the Catholic Cemetery, Botany.
SMH Fri 11 Dec 1942 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17805216
In Memoriam
JACKSON.-In loving memory of my dear sweetheart and pal, Charles Oscar Jackson, who departed this life December 11, 1941. Inserted by his loving wife, Linda
Adding
http://www.easternsuburbsmemorialpark.com.au/finding-loved-ones
Charles Oscar Jackson
Burial 12/12/1941 RCCC - Roman Catholic FM CC, Position 604
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Seems odd cupoflife, unless Mary died and Charles married again to Linda?
Cr
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Have you eliminated this chap?
The Daily News Tue 3 Mar 1942 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/78572223
The West Australian Tue 3 Mar 1942 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/47183084
NATURALISATION NOTICES.
I, KARL OSKAR JENSEN (KNOWN AS Charles Oscar Jackson), of Norwegian Nationality, born at Frederickstadt. Norway and resident 59 years in Australia, now residing at Meekatharra. Intend to
apply for Naturalisation under the Nationality Act 1920-1936.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/202943049
WA death: 1954 Jensen, Karl Oscar, age 86; Unknown; Unknown; Perth; #2056
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Is this the family? 1942 application for naturalization.
JACKSON Charles Oscar [Karl Oskar JENSEN]
Possibly separated as wife’s present address is unknown but son and daughter’s address is known
Item details for: PP302/1, WA18035
JACKSON Charles Oscar [Karl Oskar JENSEN]
(see image)
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Gallery151/dist/JGalleryViewer.aspx?B=1674044&S=12&N=15&R=0#/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=1674044&T=P&S=12
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Arrived Melbourne from Norway 19/4/1888 per “Drumcraj”
Resided Melbourne 9 years, remainder of time in W.A.
Married, wife’s name May Jensen, born Brighton, England, 1879; age 62; resides - present address unknown
2 children:
Leslie Carl born 12/12/1901 Cue W.A. - 50A High St. Kingsland, London, England
May Irene born 3/12/1899 Cue W.A. - 238 Beaufort St. Perth
Wife’s Nationality prior to marriage was British.
Can order this file for a fee: Item details for: A714, 15/7347
SURNAME - JENSEN; GIVEN NAMES- Karl Oskar; DATE OF NATURALISATION - 28 MAY 1943; PREVIOUS NATIONALITY - NORWEGIAN; PLACE OF BIRTH - Fredrikstadt, NORWAY; YEAR OF BIRTH - 1869; PLACE OF RESIDENCE - Fremantle, WA; ADDITIONAL INFORMATION - Known as JACKSON, Charles Oscar; [W] JENSEN, May
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https://www.naa.gov.au/explore-collection
Files not yet examined
ORIANA [departed UK 3 April 1969, arrived Fremantle 25 April 1969 - nominal roll; contains passport of Leslie Carl JACKSON, document of identity for John Arthur BORRELL]
JACKSON Leslie Carl, Mary [nee LEIGHTON] departed ORIANA 3 April 1969 [British migrant selection documents]
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVZR-X74X
Possible marriage: 1925 Oct-Nov-Dec
Leslie C. JACKSON and Mary LEIGHTON; Stockton, Durham, England
https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00054525
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Leslie-Carl-Jackson/8926524
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Government Gazette W.A. Oct. 5, 1917 (Page 19 of 28) https://www.slp.wa.gov.au/gazette/gazette.nsf/gazlist/DCF8C3DA8CD925B348257B720014E9BB/$file/gg044.pdf
MISSING FRIENDS.
LESLIE CARL JACKSON, born Western Australia, age 16 years, a labourer, height 5ft. 10in., stout build, fair hair, fair eyebrows, blue eyes, good teeth, protruding ears, round fat face, fair complexion, dressed in a grey tweed suit, dark green hat, tan boots. Inquiry by Charles Oscar Jackson (father), Boundary Road, Midland Junction. (Information to the Officer-in-Charge, Criminal Investigation Department, Perth.—B3/8380.)
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Seems odd cupoflife, unless Mary died and Charles married again to Linda?
Cr
Not odd at all, if a defacto wife.
Jamjar
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Charles can’t have died in NSW in 1941, if he was applying for naturalisation in 1943.
His address 1943 was 14 Barnett St, Fremantle.
Having said that, in the document the daughter’s name is incorrect, as is the wife’s surname, birth year and place of birth.
Jamjar
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Murchison Times and Day Dawn Gazette 9 Jun 1908 p3
https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/advanced/category/newspapers?l-
I WILL not be responsible for any Debts Contracted by my wife (Mary Jackson) from this date.
C. O. JACKSON, Meekatharra.
June 8,1908.
Western Mail 5 Aug 1920 p19
https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/advanced/category/newspapers?
HOLLINGWORTH—JACKSON.—On July 24, at S.D.A. Church, Sewell-street, East Fremantle, by the Rev. Pastor C. Harker, Charles, the third son of Mr. and Mrs. G. Hollingworth, of Dalgety-street, Cottesloe, to May Irene, only daughter of Mr. C. O. Jackson, of Meekatharra.
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The Daily News Sat 12 Jul 1947 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/83744484
Divorces
Charles Hollingworth v. May Irene Hollingworth. Ground: Five years separation.
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Mirror, Sat 2 Aug 1947 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/75777241
"Either They Went Or I"
I saw her going out with a boarder. I said either the boarders went, or I went. I went!"
In a few succinct words Charles Hollingworth summed up the break with wife May Irene.
He hadn't approved of the boarders in the first place, he told Mr. Justice Walker, sitting in divorce. He found them installed, paying 15/ board, when he returned from a mining trip in 1933. But his wife had refused to turn them out, or charge them more.
Charles sought and obtained a decree based on 5 years separation from May.
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Ancestry London Electors
1939 at 50a Kingsland High St Hackney
JACKSON Leslie Charles
JACKSON Mary
DAVIS Ellen
KEEN Richard
KEEN Dorothy Lillian
OSBORNE Richard Sydney
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WA marriage: 1948 May I. HOLLINGWORTH and Edward SUNLEY; Fremantle; #67
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KARRAKATTA CEMETERY - ANGLICAN YC 0348
First Name: MAY ELLEN
Last Name: SUNLEY
Aged: 90
Date of Death: 28-10-1990
Suburb: BALGA
Grantee: EDWARD SUNLEY
Jamjar
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Death of Edward Sunley’s first wife
Group Settlement Chronicle and Margaret-Augusta Mail Tue 10 Mar 1925
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/232728308
OBITUARY.
MRS. MARGARET SUNLEY.
Mrs. Margaret Sunley 33, wife of Edward Sunley, of Group 64, Jarrahdene, passed to rest at the Margaret Hospital on Thursday night last, the 5th inst.
Deceased came from England to this district, little more than six months ago, but soon after settling here, developed a complaint which necessitated her removal to the Margaret Hospital, and in that institution she had been an inmate until her death.
Ill fortune seems to have followed the family's way. About three months ago, Mr. Sunley was a victim
in a blasting accident, and narrowly escaped losing his life. With the unfortunate husband is left an only child of eleven years.
The body was interred in the Catholic portion of the Margaret Cemetery last Saturday, the Rev Father McCormack officiating. Numerous floral tributes were laid upon the grave.
The funeral arrangements were carried out by F. Mead, undertaker, Busselton.
Some articles about the accident
https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/category/newspapers?keyword=“Edward%20SUNLEY”&sortBy=dateAsc&l-state=Western%20Australia
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I'm totally confused by all these newspaper reports!
Can someone tell me exactly what happened to the family in simple terms please?
Mary Louise and Charles Oscar were definitely married in 1899 according to the Australia Marriage Index so she wasn't a defacto wife.
I don't understand how Mary Ellen Jackson became May Irene, as her correct birth name, as Mary Ellen was recorded on the Australian Birth Index?
Cr
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It is not illegal to use an alias/aka “also known as” and is generally used where the person uses another name other than their birth name. eg. anglicised names, shortened names, nicknames, a professional/stage names etc.... sometimes even creating new identity to leave the past behind. Overtime with common usage, it gets adopted as the persons name.....
Do you have any of their bdm certificates? Hopefully they would have more details like informant, full names (middle names if any) and may state “also known as”....depending on the knowledge/honesty of the informant.
Assuming the W.A. naturalisation file in 1942/1943 is your Charles Oscar Jackson (it eliminates NSW Charles Oscar Jackson who died in 1941 NSW )
It appears....(hopefully team rootschat have it right ;D)
Karl Oskar JENSEN also went by Charles Oscar JACKSON
His wife: Mary Louisa also went by May Louisa/Louise
Their daughter: Mary Ellen also went by May Ellen and May Irene
Their son: Leslie Carl also went by Leslie Charles
It looks like:
Mary/May Louisa/Louise and Charles/Karl Oscar/Oskar Jackson/Jensen separated around 1908
Their daughter Mary/May Ellen/Irene married 1st as May Irene and divorced Charles HOLLINGWORTH. She married a 2nd time as May Irene to Edward SUNLEY. She is buried under May Ellen SUNLEY
Family history....makes for challenging but interesting research ;D
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Seems odd cupoflife, unless Mary died and Charles married again to Linda?
Cr
Not odd at all, if a defacto wife.
Jamjar
Mrs Linda WALKER was likely the defacto wife of the NSW Charles Oscar JACKSON who died in 1941
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I'm totally confused by all these newspaper reports!
Can someone tell me exactly what happened to the family in simple terms please?
Mary Louise and Charles Oscar were definitely married in 1899 according to the Australia Marriage Index so she wasn't a defacto wife.
I don't understand how Mary Ellen Jackson became May Irene, as her correct birth name, as Mary Ellen was recorded on the Australian Birth Index?
Cr
In simple terms, just the run of the mill dysfunctional family. 😁 Charles and wife separated with wife disappearing, daughter and 1st husband divorced, son disappeared and possibly spent time in England and father - if it is him in NSW - went off and lived with a woman, who he didn’t marry.
The defacto was the woman he was living with in Sydney, NSW, Mrs Linda Walker.
Mary Ellen and May Irene look to be the same person. If the info provided here is correct. Likely she changed her name after her marriage break up. Odd if the name changed back for the burial, if that is her in Perth cemetery. Who knows why folk do what they do. 😂
Jamjar
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W.A. and NSW are two different men.
This clearly eliminates the NSW Charles Oscar JACKSON who died in 1941
He was born in Barry Dock South Wales. Wife was Ivy (address in London)
Added later (on his file) is next of kin “friend” Linda Walker (address in NSW)
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Gallery151/dist/JGalleryViewer.aspx?B=7360253&S=1&N=24&R=0#/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=7360253&T=P&S=1
Marriage extract included: ***He also changed from Oswald to Oscar ;D
Date of marriage 1st Aug 1918 Lambeth London
Charles Oswald JACKSON (age 28 Bachelor) and Ivy RUTLAND (age 30 widow)
His Father: Osrem JACKSON (Marine Engineer)
Her Father: Edward Rush (Horsedealer)
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Gallery151/dist/JGalleryViewer.aspx?B=7360253&S=1&N=24&R=0#/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=7360253&T=P&S=8
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WA death 1954 looks like the right fit.
In the naturalisation application, Karl Oskar Jensen (known as Charles Oscar Jackson) states his occupation as restaurant keeper, own account, Meekatharra, 4 years.
He gives his birth as 29/9/1869 at Fredrikstadt, Norway
**** age 86 fit the 1954 W.A. death
His father is named as Johannes JENSEN
The 1898 marriage notice states “Charles Oscar Jackson of Star of the East.”
There are several articles about Charles Jackson of Star of the East.
Article about a lecture in the commodious room of Mr Charles Jackson, restaurant keeper at the Star of the East https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/252762132
The Murchison Times and Day Dawn Gazette 27Nov1895 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/233231675
(see lefthand column under LAKE AUSTIN HOTEL)
APPLICATION FOR A WINE AND BEER LICENSE.
To the Warden, Murchison Goldfields.
I CHARLES JACKSON, eatinghouse keeper, single, now residing at the Star of the East, ...
HOUSEHOLDERS CERTIFICATE
We, the undersigned residents of the Star of the East district, do hereby certify that the above-named Charles Jackson is a person of good fame and reputation and proper to be licensed to sell Wine and Beer in addition to the restaurant business now held by him.
Witness our hands this 6th day of November, 1895
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The above was the daughter of Edgar Samuel Terry (1847-1891) and Ruth Ellen nee Bennett (1843-1881) and emigrated to Australia 25 Jan 1894 to Freemantle; she married Charles Oscar Jackson 1899 in Cue, WA. They had 2 children, Mary Ellen b 1899 Cue and Leslie Carl b 1902 Cue. Charles died 1941 at Randwick, NSW and his son, Carl died 15 Jun 1977 Perth, WA and is buried at Karrakatta.
I don't know when Mary Louisa or her daughter Mary Ellen died and whether the latter married?
Cr
I'm totally confused by all these newspaper reports!
Can someone tell me exactly what happened to the family in simple terms please?
Mary Louise and Charles Oscar were definitely married in 1899 according to the Australia Marriage Index so she wasn't a defacto wife.
I don't understand how Mary Ellen Jackson became May Irene, as her correct birth name, as Mary Ellen was recorded on the Australian Birth Index?
Cr
I think your confusion may be influenced by relying on INDEXES rather than obtaining the actual document that they are pointing to. The 'Australian Birth Index' and the 'Australian Marriage Index' and the 'Australian Death Index' are compiled by a commercial family history international organisation. There are well recognised flaws in the mishmash offered by the combining of those old indexes, which themselves were flawed.
It seems to me that relying on an index of an index can adversely impact on family history research, especially when attempting to move from late 1800s into post WWII events in the Australian environment, where there are restrictions to access info due to personal privacy expectations protected by the various laws of each of the 8 jurisdictions.
I am sure that it is much easier to work from primary source material and from current times back to earlier generations, than to work with indexes of indexes and work from earlier generations to the current era.
Randwick NSW is still a very long way from anywhere in Western Australia.
Well Done to all the RChatters who helped sort the confusion out.
Well Done, I say .... Well Done. :)
ADD its about two thousand four hundred and fifty miles from Randwick NSW to Perth WA :)
JM
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More work to do ;D ... still unresolved is finding the death of Mary Louisa nee Terry JACKSON ;D
Have you eliminated this death. Age is not quite right but noticed the Grantee is a Charles JACKSON
https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00078960
Mary JACKSON Aged (Years) 65; Date of Death: 05/01/1946
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Here's the family notices (two) for that Mary JACKSON, it lists her as the dearly loved wife of Charles, and loved mother of E, A, T, M, and H. And a further notice includes a daughter P.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50319284 The West Australian 7 Jan 1946.
JM.
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The above was the daughter of Edgar Samuel Terry (1847-1891) and Ruth Ellen nee Bennett (1843-1881) and emigrated to Australia 25 Jan 1894 to Freemantle; ......
Passenger List
Ss Port Victor from London 26 January 1894 arrived Fremantle WA in mid March 1894
Passenger 798 details from passenger list:
Mary L TERRY, aged 18, single, a domestic servant, English, Church of England, Paid in London £28-0-0 for Passage and Ship’s Kit.
Further Passenger details
Mary Louisa Terry, 18, Single, Domestic, 53 Horseferry Road, Westminster SW
Disposal info from the SS Port Victor which arrived Fremantle in mid March 1894
Mary L TERRY, a General Servant was employed by Mrs F MOORE, Fremantle, £1/10/-
See the State Records Office of Western Australia, Chronological list of Inwards passengers from overseas to Fremantle 1880-1898. Start here : https://membership.wags.org.au/members-data/public-data
And from WA bdm online index, Mary Louisa TERRY married Charles Oscar JACKSON, Cue, in 1899. #892. https://bdm.justice.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
SS Port Victor, Captain Hepworth, to leave London for Fremantle and Albany piers ... steamer will carry a party of 50 domestic servants under the charge of Miss Monk ... The West Australian, 13 Feb 1894. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/3058065
Questions perhaps rhetorical :
:) Is the lass who was on board the SS Victor, confirmed as definitely the daughter of Edgar Samuel TERRY and Ruth Ellen BENNETT?
:) Would the info on the 1899 marriage cert include the names of the bride's parents? See http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
( WA resources board : https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369921.0 )
W.A. marriage certs include the name of the Fathers' and their occupations, but not the Bride's mothers name. The W.A. birth certs include the Mother's name, age, birthplace, marriage date, and previous children (of the marriage).
:) Does the address for Mary Louisa TERRY in England prior to departure on the SS Victor 1894, confirm her parentage? (53 Horseferry Road, Westminster SW)
JM
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More work to do ;D ... still unresolved is finding the death of Mary Louisa nee Terry JACKSON ;D
Have you eliminated this death. Age is not quite right but noticed the Grantee is a Charles JACKSON
https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00078960
Mary JACKSON Aged (Years) 65; Date of Death: 05/01/1946
Here's the family notices (two) for that Mary JACKSON, it lists her as the dearly loved wife of Charles, and loved mother of E, A, T, M, and H. And a further notice includes a daughter P.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50319284 The West Australian 7 Jan 1946.
JM.
Thanks JM, so can eliminate her......back to the drawing board ;D
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This article gives the then ages of a Charles Oscar JACKSON (65) and his connection to a Charles HOLLINGWORTH (37) and a police matter involving them both....
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/32546663 West Australian 7 Sept 1932. It would seem likely that this particular Charles HOLLINGWORTH would have been the son in law of a Charles Oscar JACKSON.
Murchison Times and Day Dawn Gazette 9 Jun 1908 p3
https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/advanced/category/newspapers?l-
I WILL not be responsible for any Debts Contracted by my wife (Mary Jackson) from this date.
C. O. JACKSON, Meekatharra.
June 8,1908.
Western Mail 5 Aug 1920 p19
https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/advanced/category/newspapers?
HOLLINGWORTH—JACKSON.—On July 24, at S.D.A. Church, Sewell-street, East Fremantle, by the Rev. Pastor C. Harker, Charles, the third son of Mr. and Mrs. G. Hollingworth, of Dalgety-street, Cottesloe, to May Irene, only daughter of Mr. C. O. Jackson, of Meekatharra.
So if the ages are 'right' as per the newspaper, Charles Oscar JACKSON would have been born in about 1867. (the image clearly has 65, the OCR has mis-read it as 45).
JM
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From notice in paper Charles Oscar and May/Mary Louisa appear to have separated on/before 1908, so did she remary?
Speculating here:
WA marriage 1909 May L. JACKSON and Frederick J. J. FOLEY; Perth; #253
Frederick John James FOLEY died 1951
https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00006019
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/48985930?searchTerm=FOLEY
FOLEY: On Aug. 16, 1951, at Victoria Park, Fred, the dearly loved husband of May Louisa and loving father of Thelma (Mrs. E. Lowth), father-in-law of Eric and loving granddad of J and R; aged 66
FOLEY: On Aug. 16, 1951. Fred, dearly loved father of Thelma, father-in-law of Eric and loving granddad of J and R.
WA birth 1912 Thelma E. FOLEY; Perth; #15
Marriage: 1936 Thelma E. FOLEY and William E. LOWTH; #1040
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I apologise for possibly duplicating some of the info already posted.
Frederick John James FOLEY, died 16 August 1951, cremated, Karrakatta Cemetery, Rose Gardens. https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00006019
Thelma LOWTH died 12 August 1980, aged 68, Cremation, Ashes to K Karrakatta EC Section, Garden 25, position 0280
https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KO00161016
William Eric LOWTH died 28 Feb 1985, aged 82, Cremation Ashes Karrakatta EC Section, Garden 25, position 0280
https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00079985
https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/search.php
JM
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A difference in her age, but
Louisa FOLEY died 28 June 1962, aged 80, a cremation Karrakatta, Rose Gardens Garden U, position 0070.
https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00019067
ADD
WA bdm has the death registration for a Louisa FOLEY, aged 80, in 1962. Her parents names displayed there as Henry and Emily.
JM
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Thanks JM,
Thats another May/Mary eliminated ;)
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Thank you all for your very extensive and detailed research. What tangled webs these people appear to have weaved?
Mary Louisa's parents died in 1881 and 1891 when she was 5 and 15; at 1891 she was working as a servant in Chiddingley which was near her home; I can only assume that as an orphan by 1894 she went as a servant on the Port Victor along with lots of other young girls to make a better life for herself. It seems unlikely that she'd have moved to NSW, so I think you must be correct about her staying in WA. There is a tree on Anc about Leonard Foley, which says that Thelma was born 1909 which would fit in with the 'divorce' in 1908-I've written to the owner to find out if they know anymore.
Cr
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The West Australian 23 August 1954 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/49875867
JACKSON: On Aug. 21, at Perth, Charles, of 31 Bronte street, East Perth, loving father of May (Mrs. Sunley) and Leslie (England), fond father-in law of Edward, grandfather of G and N.
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The West Australian 13 January 1954, https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/49611116
SUNLEY-DHUE: Mr. and Mrs. E. Sunley, of 23 Railway-road, Subiaco, has much pleasure in announcing the engagement of their youngest daughter, G**** to C****, second youngest son of Mr. and Mrs. C. Dhue, of Spear-street, Cunderdin.
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Thank you very much all of you for your excellent research, I think the ends have nearly all been tied up now in an intriguing family.
Cr
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Hi,
May I gently mention that there has not yet been any positive connection found between the lass noted in the topic heading and the lass who emigrated per the SS Port Victor to Fremantle arriving March 1894.
And....
There has not yet been any positive connection between the lass on the SS Port Victor and the lass who married in 1899.
Some of the information provided in the opening post has been found to have no relevance to the quest, and so it is that aspect that causes me to express concern about Cockneyrebel's quest for info about a lass who arrived in 1894 and a lass who married in 1899, and the apparent children of that marriage.
I am sure that the usual research practices for Australian family history matters will benefit the quest, so I urge our OP to consider scrutinising actual primary source bdms that have been included in the various online indexes . I am surw that inspecting actual official records should advance this quest.
I readily agree that each family historian is entitled to decide their own standard of proof when conducting their own research, but on the other hand, when involving volunteers cooperatively in a public forum, the volunteers may well strive towards the highest standard.
JM
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Hi,
May I gently mention that there has not yet been any positive connection found between the lass noted in the topic heading and the lass who emigrated per the SS Port Victor to Fremantle arriving March 1894.
And....
There has not yet been any positive connection between the lass on the SS Port Victor and the lass who married in 1899.
Some of the information provided in the opening post has been found to have no relevance to the quest, and so it is that aspect that causes me to express concern about Cockneyrebel's quest for info about a lass who arrived in 1894 and a lass who married in 1899, and the apparent children of that marriage.
I am sure that the usual research practices for Australian family history matters will benefit the quest, so I urge our OP to consider scrutinising actual primary source bdms that have been included in the various online indexes . I am surw that inspecting actual official records should advance this quest.
I readily agree that each family historian is entitled to decide their own standard of proof when conducting their own research, but on the other hand, when involving volunteers cooperatively in a public forum, the volunteers may well strive towards the highest standard.
JM
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The West Australian 23 August 1954 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/49875867
JACKSON: On Aug. 21, at Perth, Charles, of 31 Bronte street, East Perth, loving father of May (Mrs. Sunley) and Leslie (England), fond father-in law of Edward, grandfather of G and N.
The WA death cert may well have family history info provided by his daughter, and may well show if his marital status in 1954 was recorded, and if so was he noted as : married or divorced or widowed.
JM.
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From a submitted tree on Ancestry, no supporting documents at all, updated very very recently, - perhaps within the last 24 hours or so.
Mary or May Louisa TERRY, parents as Edgar Samuel Terry 1847-1891 and Ruth Ellen Bennett 1843-1881 was born between Jan and Mar 1876, Hellingly, Sussex, and baptised 16 April 1876, Sussex
Emigrated 25 Jan 1894 London
Married Charles Oscar Jackson 27 October 1899, Cue Western Australia
Daughter Mary Ellen or May Irene JACKSON born 3 December 1899, Cue W.A.
Son Leslie Carl JACKSON born 12 December 1901 Cue, W.A.
Divorced before 1908
Married Frederick John James FOLEY 1909 Perth
Daughter Thelma E 1912-1980
Death of husband 16 Aug 1951, Victoria Park W.A.
Her own death 26 June 1962, Karrakatta W.A.
This 26 June 1962 death is attributed to Rootschat - majm - that's ME, and I have NOT, at any stage in the progress of this thread to date, confirmed that the Mary Louisa TERRY that our OP is asking about died 26 June 1962. In fact, I have questioned as to IF the lass in the topic heading actually arrived in Australia. So I mention this here, at Rootschat, simply because I value my privacy, I respect RChat, and I am not prepared have my identity made available (to anyone, much less to someone I have never met) by making contact via Ancestry with the person who has so very recently added to their Ancestry tree, particularly as I would want to point out that earlier in this thread I actually provided the following info that basically eliminated the person who died 26 June 1962. So I would be contradicting the tree owner, from their Ancestry profile, a male person, who resides Milton Keynes.
A difference in her age, but
Louisa FOLEY died 28 June 1962, aged 80, a cremation Karrakatta, Rose Gardens Garden U, position 0070.
https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00019067
ADD
WA bdm has the death registration for a Louisa FOLEY, aged 80, in 1962. Her parents names displayed there as Henry and Emily.
JM
as shown by the following post from cupoflife
Thanks JM,
Thats another May/Mary eliminated ;)
JM
ADD - Webs often appear tangled until the actual documentation is inspected. Not sure why our OP mentions Leonard FOLEY ... but I wish our OP every success at untangling webs.
Thank you all for your very extensive and detailed research. What tangled webs these people appear to have weaved?
Mary Louisa's parents died in 1881 and 1891 when she was 5 and 15; at 1891 she was working as a servant in Chiddingley which was near her home; I can only assume that as an orphan by 1894 she went as a servant on the Port Victor along with lots of other young girls to make a better life for herself. It seems unlikely that she'd have moved to NSW, so I think you must be correct about her staying in WA. There is a tree on Anc about Leonard Foley, which says that Thelma was born 1909 which would fit in with the 'divorce' in 1908-I've written to the owner to find out if they know anymore.
Cr
ADD from another submitted tree, Henry Vernon JACKSON (1851-1922) and Emily YOUL (1857-1919) are listed as parents of a Louisa JACKSON. That Louisa JACKSON married a Frederick John James FOLEY 21 June 1909, East Perth, WA and they are listed as the parents of Thelma Evelyn FOLEY.
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Thank you majm for pointing out my initial error in thinking that Mary emigrated to Australia in 1894, I appreciate your concerns and thus I have deleted the various marriages of her, her supposed husbands and children from my tree and the one at Ancestry.
It is far too expensive for me to buy bmd certs from Australia, it's even more expensive here than there and as a poor pensioner they are beyond my reach.
I'd hoped that you ladies and gents at Rootschat would have found it simpler to find out about her via obits and free records. It seems I have the wrong one according to the Ancestry trees as they have different parents for her in all cases, thus I'll leave her as a mystery for the time being.
Thank you all rootchatters for your tireless researchin finding out that I was wrong in my thinking.
Cr