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Title: Marriage lookup please Horsham 1935 and 1940
Post by: familydar on Sunday 23 August 20 11:17 BST (UK)
I understand there is now limited opening at West Sussex record office.  Could someone do a couple of lookups for me please?

I'm interested to know the name of the bride's father for one or both of the following marriages that took place in the Horsham registration district.

1935 Q2 - Jesse C WIBLING married Alice E SMITH ref 2b 863.
1940 Q2 - Percy E SOUTH married Alice E WIBLING ref 2b 1185

I don't know which church but in the 1939 register Alice was living in Foxfield Cottages, which seem to be on Southwater Street, Horsham (Jesse had died).

Jane :-)
Title: Re: Marriage lookup please Horsham 1935 and 1940
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 23 August 20 18:07 BST (UK)
To look up a marriage you need to know which church it took place in.  It could have been a civil marriage which cannot be looked up

Horsham RD covered many areas

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/horsham.html
Title: Re: Marriage lookup please Horsham 1935 and 1940
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 23 August 20 18:14 BST (UK)
The first marriage was a quick one - Jesse died Q3 the same year - 1935 aged 58
Title: Re: Marriage lookup please Horsham 1935 and 1940
Post by: familydar on Monday 24 August 20 08:54 BST (UK)
Yes Carole I know all this.  I also appreciate that if a register office marriage I'd be out of luck but was just hoping that someone would be prepared to do a bit of digging for me in the more likely parishes.  There might even be indices.

Following on from my original post, the 1935 groom's father's name is of interest too.

Best wishes
Jane :-)
Title: Re: Marriage lookup please Horsham 1935 and 1940
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 24 August 20 09:08 BST (UK)
Have you checked that these records are currently available for searching, some offices are restricting what can be viewed.  'Digging' in records at these times is sometimes not so easy as it was
Title: Re: Marriage lookup please Horsham 1935 and 1940
Post by: josey on Monday 24 August 20 09:10 BST (UK)
Doesn't the register reference actually give some indication as to which church or if it was register office?
Title: Re: Marriage lookup please Horsham 1935 and 1940
Post by: PaulineJ on Monday 24 August 20 09:18 BST (UK)
Doesn't the register reference actually give some indication as to which church or if it was register office?
Sometimes. Not always

http://marriage-locator.co.uk
Title: Re: Marriage lookup please Horsham 1935 and 1940
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 24 August 20 09:26 BST (UK)
Try www.marriage-locator.co.uk

Snap! PaulineJ
Title: Re: Marriage lookup please Horsham 1935 and 1940
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 24 August 20 12:13 BST (UK)

1935 Q2 - Jesse C WIBLING married Alice E SMITH ref 2b 863.
1940 Q2 - Percy E SOUTH married Alice E WIBLING ref 2b 1185

From marriage locator
GRO Index: 1935 quarter 2, volume 2b, page 863
Sorry about this but we don't have any records for this marriage.

GRO Index: 1940 quarter 2, volume 2b, page 1185:
Sorry, we cannot locate the church for this marriage.
The entry is located between entries for Hove (RD: Hove) and Alverstoke St Mary (RD: Gosport)
Title: Re: Marriage lookup please Horsham 1935 and 1940
Post by: familydar on Monday 24 August 20 12:52 BST (UK)
Thanks rosie99 for posting what I'd already found on marriage locator.  I could have given chapter and verse in my original post but I know that people tend to switch off after the first paragraph or get sidetracked, so I've learned not to do that.

The Horsham area is not well-served by 20th century online records.  I have drawn a blank with the usual resources - familysearch, marriage locator, FindMyPast, Ancestry, freereg, freeBMD, historical directories, mySoG.  I've not managed to check newspapers because I don't have a sub to the BNA and my FindMyPast sub has just expired, if someone fancies trying that for me do be my guest.  But anyway, asking for a look-up was a last resort.  It's not desperately urgent and can wait till we have a vaccine if that's what it takes.  Or until one of the subscription sites does a deal with West Sussex record office.  Just dotting the Is and crossing the Ts.

For the record, and to demonstrate that I am able to think laterally and put in the work, I found Alice on the 1939 register using just her birthdate and first name.  The last I'd known of her previously was that she was widowed as a fairly young bride, apparently childless, in WW1.  I imagined that she might have remarried but with a surname of SMITH I didn't hold out a lot of hope of finding her.  I was thankful that she wasn't a Mary or an Elizabeth!  I wasn't expecting to find her in Horsham but I'd chased through her siblings and the widower of one of her sisters is listed at the same address.  I then discovered that although she didn't marry again till 1935, she was producing children in the meantime and regarded as Mrs WIBLING.  "Husband" Jesse had another wife (or two) elsewhere in the country, and his own lineage has turned out to be shrouded in mystery.  I'm fairly confident that the woman I'm enquiring about is "my" Alice but having her father's name would confirm it.

Jane :-)
Title: Re: Marriage lookup please Horsham 1935 and 1940
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 24 August 20 13:40 BST (UK)
Quote
1940 Q2 - Percy E SOUTH married Alice E WIBLING ref 2b 1185

Horsham RD covered many areas

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/horsham.html

Probably indexed alphabetically by parish
Sussex newspapers
14 June 1940
At Horsham Parish Church, Ernest George Wallace Jenkins, son of... and Joan Maude Wicking, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W. D, Wicking
GRO index, June 1940, vol 2b, page 1154

Friday 7 June 1940
The marriage took place at Holy Trinity Church, Rudgwick, on Wednesday, of Mr. Geoffrey Wyndham Humphrey, son of Mr. and the late Mrs. M. Humphrey, of the Post Office. Rudgwick
That's on page 1169

Friday 10 May 1930
MISS NANCY BRIGHT, of Amberfield, Slinfold, and Mr. Sydney McCormac(??), of London, whose marriage takes place at St. Peter's, Slinfold, on May...
That's on page 1173

Looking iffy that the South-Wibling marriage on 1185 might be in a parish church.

June qtr 1935 marriage on vol 2b page 863
Horsham marriages in the GRO index end on 867. So even less likely to be PR.
Title: Re: Marriage lookup please Horsham 1935 and 1940
Post by: familydar on Monday 24 August 20 14:33 BST (UK)
I seem to recall reading somewhere many moons ago that the GRO refs were indeed allocated alphabetically by Anglican parish, with non-con and civil at the end.  So thankyou jonw65, I agree that register office is beginning to look favourite.  With an existing wife or wives possibly still living it's perhaps understandable  ;)

best wishes
Jane :-)
Title: Re: Marriage lookup please Horsham 1935 and 1940
Post by: josey on Monday 24 August 20 14:38 BST (UK)
I suspected there was a logic behind it, Well done jon for working that out.