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I understand there is now limited opening at West Sussex record office. Could someone do a couple of lookups for me please?
I'm interested to know the name of the bride's father for one or both of the following marriages that took place in the Horsham registration district.
1935 Q2 - Jesse C WIBLING married Alice E SMITH ref 2b 863.
1940 Q2 - Percy E SOUTH married Alice E WIBLING ref 2b 1185
I don't know which church but in the 1939 register Alice was living in Foxfield Cottages, which seem to be on Southwater Street, Horsham (Jesse had died).
Jane :-)
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To look up a marriage you need to know which church it took place in. It could have been a civil marriage which cannot be looked up
Horsham RD covered many areas
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/horsham.html
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The first marriage was a quick one - Jesse died Q3 the same year - 1935 aged 58
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Yes Carole I know all this. I also appreciate that if a register office marriage I'd be out of luck but was just hoping that someone would be prepared to do a bit of digging for me in the more likely parishes. There might even be indices.
Following on from my original post, the 1935 groom's father's name is of interest too.
Best wishes
Jane :-)
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Have you checked that these records are currently available for searching, some offices are restricting what can be viewed. 'Digging' in records at these times is sometimes not so easy as it was
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Doesn't the register reference actually give some indication as to which church or if it was register office?
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Doesn't the register reference actually give some indication as to which church or if it was register office?
Sometimes. Not always
http://marriage-locator.co.uk
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Try www.marriage-locator.co.uk
Snap! PaulineJ
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1935 Q2 - Jesse C WIBLING married Alice E SMITH ref 2b 863.
1940 Q2 - Percy E SOUTH married Alice E WIBLING ref 2b 1185
From marriage locator
GRO Index: 1935 quarter 2, volume 2b, page 863
Sorry about this but we don't have any records for this marriage.
GRO Index: 1940 quarter 2, volume 2b, page 1185:
Sorry, we cannot locate the church for this marriage.
The entry is located between entries for Hove (RD: Hove) and Alverstoke St Mary (RD: Gosport)
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Thanks rosie99 for posting what I'd already found on marriage locator. I could have given chapter and verse in my original post but I know that people tend to switch off after the first paragraph or get sidetracked, so I've learned not to do that.
The Horsham area is not well-served by 20th century online records. I have drawn a blank with the usual resources - familysearch, marriage locator, FindMyPast, Ancestry, freereg, freeBMD, historical directories, mySoG. I've not managed to check newspapers because I don't have a sub to the BNA and my FindMyPast sub has just expired, if someone fancies trying that for me do be my guest. But anyway, asking for a look-up was a last resort. It's not desperately urgent and can wait till we have a vaccine if that's what it takes. Or until one of the subscription sites does a deal with West Sussex record office. Just dotting the Is and crossing the Ts.
For the record, and to demonstrate that I am able to think laterally and put in the work, I found Alice on the 1939 register using just her birthdate and first name. The last I'd known of her previously was that she was widowed as a fairly young bride, apparently childless, in WW1. I imagined that she might have remarried but with a surname of SMITH I didn't hold out a lot of hope of finding her. I was thankful that she wasn't a Mary or an Elizabeth! I wasn't expecting to find her in Horsham but I'd chased through her siblings and the widower of one of her sisters is listed at the same address. I then discovered that although she didn't marry again till 1935, she was producing children in the meantime and regarded as Mrs WIBLING. "Husband" Jesse had another wife (or two) elsewhere in the country, and his own lineage has turned out to be shrouded in mystery. I'm fairly confident that the woman I'm enquiring about is "my" Alice but having her father's name would confirm it.
Jane :-)
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1940 Q2 - Percy E SOUTH married Alice E WIBLING ref 2b 1185
Horsham RD covered many areas
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/horsham.html
Probably indexed alphabetically by parish
Sussex newspapers
14 June 1940
At Horsham Parish Church, Ernest George Wallace Jenkins, son of... and Joan Maude Wicking, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W. D, Wicking
GRO index, June 1940, vol 2b, page 1154
Friday 7 June 1940
The marriage took place at Holy Trinity Church, Rudgwick, on Wednesday, of Mr. Geoffrey Wyndham Humphrey, son of Mr. and the late Mrs. M. Humphrey, of the Post Office. Rudgwick
That's on page 1169
Friday 10 May 1930
MISS NANCY BRIGHT, of Amberfield, Slinfold, and Mr. Sydney McCormac(??), of London, whose marriage takes place at St. Peter's, Slinfold, on May...
That's on page 1173
Looking iffy that the South-Wibling marriage on 1185 might be in a parish church.
June qtr 1935 marriage on vol 2b page 863
Horsham marriages in the GRO index end on 867. So even less likely to be PR.
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I seem to recall reading somewhere many moons ago that the GRO refs were indeed allocated alphabetically by Anglican parish, with non-con and civil at the end. So thankyou jonw65, I agree that register office is beginning to look favourite. With an existing wife or wives possibly still living it's perhaps understandable ;)
best wishes
Jane :-)
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I suspected there was a logic behind it, Well done jon for working that out.
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Jesse Wibling was my Great Grandad , I know a little about him that may shock
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Ooh do tell :o
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He Married my Great Granny in Dorset they had a little girl that died only a few months old, they went on to have more children one was my Grandad, Jesse had something to do with Horses but I don't know what, they moved to Ireland when my Grandad was 2 yrs old, while in Ireland he one day left my Great Granny and never returned, they never divorced, so if he remarried he would of been a bigamist
My Great Granny died in Ireland aged 103, I am trying to my family tree and with Jesse it difficult.
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First marriage
Jesse Wibling 21- Royal Artillery -Weymouth married Lindair Dear Ainsworth age 21 on 16 December 1896 at Sturminster Marshall Dorset
His father William - Labourer
Her father John - Carter
Witness David G A Hay? and Bertha Jane Hopkins
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Children
Lindair Jessie Ruth Reg. Wimbourne 1898 -bap 27 February 1898 at Sturminster Dorset died 1898 reg. Portsea Island
Maurice Albert 1899 reg Portsea Island
Archibald Edward 1901 reg. Portsmouth
Reginald Jess reg. 1903 Wimborne, bap 23 August 1903 Almer Dorset
Violet Maud 1906 reg. Poole
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1901 census 15 Norfolk Street Portsmouth
Lindair Wibling 26 married born Blanford Dorset, husband Officers ?possibly Batman R.G.A.
Maurice , son 2 born Southsea Hants.
The children were born near different military places, going to Ireland was a transfer.
You could look for his military record and see if he deserted.
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1911 census Hammersmith
Jesse Charles Webbling 33 born Abingdon Berkshire- Butler
Mary 24 born County Carlow Ireland [nee Doyle see below]
Blanch Vera 6 months born Hammersmith
Looks like he absconded with a girl from Ireland 1907-1908
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Children found registered Fulham
Charles Jesse 1909 mother's maiden name Doyle died 1910 age 1 registered Fulham
Blanche Vera 1910 mother's maiden name Doyle
Daphne May 1912 mother's maiden name Doyle
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Charles William Wibling baptized 12 August 1915 of Jesse Charles Wibling and Mary
address 32 Portobello Road, Notting Hill father Butler
Death reg Kensington 1915 age 0
registration St Marylebone Charles William Wibling 1915 mmn Bowles (an error or has he moved on again)
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There is also a Catherine Mary Wibling registered Hammersmith 1915
UPDATED per BumbleB mother's maiden name Doyle.
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Catherine M Wibling - birth registered December quarter 1915, Hammersmith has mother's maiden name as DOYLE (image via FreeBMD) :-\
ADDED: but no mmn on GRO website!
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Thanks BumbleB I should have checked both
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Jesse, Mary (nee Doyle) Vera, Daphne and Katherine are together 62 Haydn Park Road in 1921
Jesse seems to have strayed once more as there is another Charles William Wibling registered 1920 in Paddington with mothers maiden name Bowles.
He may have died as a POW of the Japanese WWII
The one baptized St mark 1915 died 1915.
Timeline:
He left Mary Doyle after 1921 but before 21 May 1932 as when Daphne married Charles William Stroud at St Luke she said her father Jesse Charles Wibling, Butler was deceased.
Witness M Wibling (mother)
Catherine married James Charles Grimmer at St Luke 2 June 1935, she also said her father Jesse Charles Wibling was deceased. (he did not actually die until September of that year)
Witness M Wibling (mother)
Blanche Vera married Patrick J Hawley 1936 I have yet to find this one online.
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The Jesse Charles Wibling marries Alice E Smith 1935 at Horsham Sussex.
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Jesse left my Grand Granny after they moved to Ireland but they never Divorced.
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You previously mentioned they did not divorce, I suggest you try to find his military records and see if he deserted or was formally discharged and then left for London with Mary Doyle.