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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: dave1948 on Monday 24 August 20 13:27 BST (UK)
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Hi Guys,
I have done a bit more digging and found Johann Lotz baptism in 1835 in Bergreichenstein, Bohemia, but as usual, I can only make out so much. Born and Baptised on same day 5 Feb 1835 and was son of Johann Lotz and Susanne Huska. The link is here http://www.portafontium.cz/iipimage/30063642/kasperske-hory-05_2610-n?x=506&y=-11&w=463&h=189 . A translation would be appreciated. His sister, Caroline, was born a year later on 30 Mar 1836 and may help with the details as they were still at the same address http://www.portafontium.cz/iipimage/30063642/kasperske-hory-05_2610-n?x=506&y=-11&w=463&h=189 .
His father, also Johann was born 19 Apr 1778 in Wassersuppen Bezirk Taus (Bohemia), I have looked for this area in Taus / Domazlice but can not find it mentioned? Does it go under another name for the District ?
Many thanks, Dave.
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Hi Dave,
I'm a bit stuck for time today, but maybe this will help with the location:
Wassersuppen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemanice
Taus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doma%C5%BElice
I'll have a look at the rest when I get a mo. Unless davecapps comes along in the meantime. ;D
Best regards,
Karen
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Hi Karen,
Thanks for suggestion of Nemanice. I have looked there, and found the index for births of Johann Lotz (Senior) in 1778. Here comes the problem.
Johann (Senior) married twice, 1798 and again in 1834. The second time he gave his birthdate as 17 April 1778, and his parents as Martin and Cäcilia. I can not see any place of birth. This is his 1834 marriage http://www.portafontium.cz/iipimage/30063646/kasperske-hory-09_0080-o?x=5&y=-7&w=1023&h=419 .
Looking at the index page for his birth (I cannot find the actual entry), I am unconvinced it shows him. The 3rd and 5th entries are Lotz, but the first name is Joseph. It looks like, maybe, the first one died, but both are August not April. Also, curiously, the 4th entry has the father Martin (Oops, that is NOT father Martin, but a placename. Maybe that's what researcher had thought? ) and was born April. Here's that link http://www.portafontium.de/iipimage/30066259/nemanice-01_0870-r?x=-35&y=-56&w=958&h=392 .
My thoughts are, someone researching saw this and just assumed it was him without checking further, ... and everybody has just copied it onto the Web. Do you agree and do you have any further suggestions.
Thanks, Dave. :)
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Birth Johann 1835
Bergreichenstein Nro. 152
Johannes
Baptista
Lötz
Katholisch
Männlich
Ehelich
Johann Lötz, kunstreicher Glas- und
Schleiffabrikant und Bürger allhier,
Nro 152. ehelicher Sohn des + Martin
Lötz, gewesenen Glasschneiders
in der Wassersuppen Nro Ø und sei-
ner Ehegattin Cäcilia, geborenen
Bock, von Bruck Nro Ø
Susanna, eheliche Tochter des
Johann Georg Hußka, bür-
gerl(ichen) Hafnermeisters im
Markte Kuttenplan, Nro 111,
und seiner Ehegattin Fran-
ziska, geborene Trischler
von Kuttenplan, Nro 70.
Leopold Ramml
bürgerl(icher) Schneider
Meister und
dessen Eheweib
Franziska.
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Bergreichenstein Nro. 152
Johannes
Baptista
Lötz
catholic
male
legitimate
Father
Johann Lötz, skillfull/artistic Glas and Glassgrinder fabricator
and citizen from here Nro 152.
legitimate son of the deceased Martin Lötz, former Glascutter
in Wassersuppen Nro Ø and his wife Cäcilia, nee Bock, from Bruck Nro Ø
Mother
Susanna, legitimate daughter of Johann Georg Hußka, citizen and Hafnermeisters
in Markte Kuttenplan, Nro 111,
and his wife Franziska, nee Trischler
from Kuttenplan, Nro 70.
Godparents
Leopold Ramml, citizen and master tailor
and his wife Franziska.
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Hafnermeister
https://www.google.de/search?q=hafnermeister+beruf&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjf6brNmLbrAhVMKuwKHchMB38Q1QIoAXoECAsQAg&biw=1366&bih=654
Ovenmaker or Potter who made oven tiles
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Birth Caroline 1836
Bergreichenstein Nro. 152
Caroline
Lötz
katholisch
weiblich
ehelich
Johann Lötz, kunstreicher Glas- und Schleiffa
brikant allhier, N. 152. ein ehelicher Sohn des
Martin Lötz, Glasschneiders in Schneegat
tern im Innviertl und seines Eheweibes Cä
cilia, geborenen Bock aus Bayern und zwar
aus Bruck
Susanna, eine eheliche Tochter
des Johann Georg Hußka, bürg(erlichen)
Haffnermeisters in Kuttenblan,
N. 111, und seines Eheweibes
Franziska, geborene Trischler
aus Kuttenplan, N. 70.
Leopold Ramml
Schneidermeister
Und sein Eheweib Franziska.
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Bergreichenstein Nro. 152
Caroline
Lötz
catholic
female
legitimate
Father
Johann Lötz, skillfull/artistic Glas and Glassgrinder fabricator
and citizen from here Nro 152.
legitimate son of Martin Lötz, Glascutter in Schneegattern in Innviertel
and his wife Cäcilia, nee Bock, from Bayern, now from Bruck
Mother
Susanna, legitimate daughter of Johann Georg Hußka, citizen and Hafnermeisters
in Kuttenblan, N. 111, and his wife Franziska, nee Trischler
from Kuttenplan, N. 70.
Godparents
Leopold Ramml, master tailor
and his wife Franziska.
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Schneegattern in Innviertel
https://www.google.de/maps/place/5212+Schneegattern,+%C3%96sterreich/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x477421f442270d4b:0x81a9b454aeb744a1?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjEjJXUzbbrAhXE2KQKHTAsDSYQ8gEwAHoECB8QAQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innviertel
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Marriage 1798
Bergreichenstein Nro. 152
Johann Lötz, Glas-
schneider und Glas-
schleifer
katholisch
20 Jahre alt
unverheiratet
Theresia Mischelin
eheliche Tochter des wohl
Edel gebohrnen He(rr) Anton
Mischelin de Frey, Bürger
und hierstadtischen Contra-
ctors
katholisch
24 Jahre alt
unverheiratet
„ Richtig befunden 17 Sept 1798“
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Johann Lötz, Glascutter and Glasgrinder/Polisher
catholic
20 years old
single
Theresia Mischelin
legitimate daughter of the nobel born Herr Anton
Mischelin de Frey, citizen and local town contractor
catholic
24 years old
single
written below „ found correct 17 Sept 1798“
I don´t know what a town contractor was, anything is possible
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Hi DC,
Thanks for those transcripts and translations. Will see if I can find anything on some of those names and places...
Dave
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Hi again,
I have looked around and still cannot find any reference yet as to Johann Lotz’s birthplace. I have looked closely at his 1834 marriage details, and as far as I can make out, I cannot see any reference to Wassersuppen, which is where everyone says he was born. This is that marriage http://www.portafontium.cz/iipimage/30063647/kasperske-hory-10_1040-o?x=68&y=115&w=468&h=191 . Does this have any clues?
Thanks, Dave.
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No hints
It only says his father was Resident in Wassersuppen
Dave
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https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz53846.html?language=en
Dave
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https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://sudetendeutsche-familienforscher.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/SFF-1992-Jahresheft.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj_0OvVycDrAhXHsaQKHfd3C-U4ChAWMAB6BAgHEAE&usg=AOvVaw1Gi8PvAmtDWk57pUuMnd_C
Page 11 and 12
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Hi DaveC, Thanks for confirming that it was his father living in Wassersuppen, and that I hadn’t missed something, … I live in hope, lol. I am starting to think that although he states his birthdate, sources have used his father’s current town as his birthplace, which may well be elsewhere…
The Deutsche Biographie page, I have seen before in searching and helped confirm and add more details for me, but thank you for posting it. The Google page I haven’t seen before and looks interesting. As you said page 12 has his name, so will translate the title and details.
Thanks for all your help, Dave.