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Title: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: sstarr2008 on Monday 24 August 20 20:55 BST (UK)
I have 3 sisters, Bridget b 2 Apr 1865, Margaret b 5 Mar 1866 and Annie b 10 Jun 1874. All dates are from the 1939 census.
They all say their father was Robert O'Connor when they married, Bridget in Ballinasloe Galway and Margaret and Annie in Athlone.
On the Irish 1911 census Bridget said she was born co Galway and Annie said Limerick city, I can't find Margaret.
I can't seem to find their births or a marriage of a Robert O'Connor, not helped by not really knowing which town or parish to search.
Is there any way to track these people down?

Stu
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: heywood on Monday 24 August 20 22:13 BST (UK)
Who did the sisters marry and when?

Is this Bridget - marriage to Martin Walsh 1886
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10853/5962730.pdf
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: heywood on Monday 24 August 20 22:28 BST (UK)
If that is Bridget, Robert is a Dealer

Is this Annie? Robert is deceased in 1897 and was a labourer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10444/5803348.pdf

Is this Margaret? Spouse, Joseph Henry
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10852/5962220.pdf

Robert is a labourer
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: heywood on Monday 24 August 20 22:39 BST (UK)
Margaret and Joseph Henry are living in England in 1901 and 1911.

1911 she gives Athlone as her birth place.
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 24 August 20 23:17 BST (UK)
Very much a long shot (sorry!)
A Hannah O'Connor born 4 July 1874, Limerick
father Robert, a Dealer
mother Hannah, formerly Duggan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03132/2148348.pdf

They also had daughter Mary in Thurles, Jan 1877
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03022/2107557.pdf
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 24 August 20 23:24 BST (UK)
Hang on though, they may be the Robert Connor + Hannah (nee Duggan) couple who had a daughter Margaret baptized 18 Sep 1866, Newry.
https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633289#page/181/mode/1up

Get about don't they!
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 24 August 20 23:29 BST (UK)
Robert (O'Connor), bap 28 Sep 1871, Tipperary
https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632778#page/36/mode/1up
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: heywood on Monday 24 August 20 23:33 BST (UK)
Civil birth
Hannah OíConnor 4th July 1874, Limerick - parents Robert, a dealer and Hannah (Duggan)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03132/2148348.pdf

Baptism of Robert OíConnor 28th September 1871 to parents of the same names - Tipperary
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632778#page/36/mode/1up

Baptism of Margaret - parents of the same names 18th September 1866 - Newry
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633289#page/181/mode/1up

Baptism of Patrick, 30th April 1860 Drumcree, Armagh
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632568#page/77/mode/1up

If these are your family, as Robert was described as a Dealer, that is perhaps why they are in various parts of the country. Or, of course, it all might be coincidence.
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: heywood on Monday 24 August 20 23:34 BST (UK)
I was taking so long to check Jon, that I only noticed your last post as I posted and then saw all the rest  ::)
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: gaffy on Monday 24 August 20 23:35 BST (UK)
Confirmation.  ;)

A transcript of the Ballinasloe RC parish record of the marriage between Martin Walsh and Bridget O'Connor on 9 October 1886 identifies both parents for bride and groom, namely:
- Patrick and Mary (Gorman) Walsh;
- Robert and Hannah (Duggan) O'Connor.

A transcript of the St. Peter's Athlone RC parish record of the marriage between Patrick Hogan and Anne O'Connor on 28 January 1897 identifies both parents for bride and groom, namely:
- Daniel and Mary (Gately) Hogan;
- Robert and Honor (Doogan) O'Connor.

Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: jonw65 on Monday 24 August 20 23:41 BST (UK)
Well, we all agree, and we also have it confirmed :)
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: heywood on Monday 24 August 20 23:42 BST (UK)
There is a death in Athlone 1886 - Robert Connor, married, labourer.
Unfortunately the informant is from the Workhouse.
Robert is described as a labourer on some records.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06232/4783520.pdf

May be just coincidence though.
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: jonw65 on Tuesday 25 August 20 11:34 BST (UK)
They also had daughter Mary in Thurles, Jan 1877
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03022/2107557.pdf

Does it say that the informant was Ellen O'Connor, present at birth, Quarry St?

There is a death registration in Thurles in 1877 of a Hannah O'Connor.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR1F-X4W

Age is only 34. Mention it because there were not so many with the Connor name in Thurles in the indexes.
Irish Genealogy says death was in Q1, but of course no image (hopefully be one soon!)
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: jonw65 on Tuesday 25 August 20 11:58 BST (UK)
A marriage in Athlone, 25 June 1881
William Mills, 21, Labourer
+
Ellen O'Connor, 17, Spinster, Servant, father Robert O'Connor, Dealer
Residence for both Athlone.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11011/8025972.pdf

Will this be connected :-\
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: jonw65 on Tuesday 25 August 20 12:12 BST (UK)
The Mills are in England in 1891
piece 3546 folio 36 page 18
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7GRP-B3Z

Stansfield, Yorkshire
William Mills 29 Bobbin Turner, born Ireland
Ellen Millls 26 Ireland
Johnny Mills 8 Ireland
Annie Mills 7 Ireland
Mary E Mills 5 Ireland
Robert Mills 6 mo Cornwall
Annie O'Conner Lodger 16 Cotton Spinner Ireland

A possible birth reg for Robert in the district they are living (rather than Cornwall)
MILLS, ROBERT       
Mother's Maiden Surname: CONNOR 
GRO Reference: 1890  D Quarter in TODMORDEN  Volume 09A  Page 216
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 25 August 20 12:13 BST (UK)
They also had daughter Mary in Thurles, Jan 1877
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03022/2107557.pdf

Does it say that the informant was Ellen O'Connor, present at birth, Quarry St?


Agree Jon, it says Quarry St and the informant is Ellen O'Connor.

It may actually have been called The Quarry back in 1877.
https://bit.ly/3gtl8dk

KG

Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: jonw65 on Tuesday 25 August 20 12:34 BST (UK)
Thank you, KG.
Well I think then Ellen may well be another child of Robert and Hannah, and a very young informant!
I am also worried that mother Hannah is that 1877 Thurles death :(

Annie, 16, in the 1891 census in England could be the sister we have previously looked for and born Hannah in 1874. Though we know she married in Ireland in 1897.
John
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: jonw65 on Tuesday 25 August 20 13:14 BST (UK)
Birth registration of Mary Ellen Mills in Athlone 1886
Parents William and Ellen, formerly Connor. Residence is Pipe Lane
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02612/1964405.pdf

The Mills have moved to Oldham in 1901
Free index to 1911 has Ellen Mills, 45, born Tipperary, and her husband William, living with their married daughter Annie in Oldham
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW1Y-JV2

Sadly it looks as though Ellen died later that year
Dec 1911 Oldham 8d 737
Mills, Ellen   
age 44

Burial at Greenacres Cemetery in Oldham, 4 Nov 1911
Ellen Mills
residence 2 Marsh Square
died 30 Oct 1911
age 44 years
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GP11-S5Z4?i=41
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 25 August 20 13:57 BST (UK)
Margaret was also in Oldham in 1901 and 1911. The two families were  not far from each other.
I see I didnít post the details - I thought I had  ::)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW1Y-2SL

What a lot of information  :)
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 25 August 20 14:02 BST (UK)
Oldham cemetery records here - you can see the names of others buried in the same grave.
https://adt.oldham.gov.uk/BacasWeb/
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: sstarr2008 on Tuesday 25 August 20 19:50 BST (UK)
Wow :o
You are all amazing. I have been searching for so long and suddenly I'm overwhelmed.

This does fit in with my mother's story that Robert O'Connors wife died, possibly in childbirth.

I'm amazed at how far apart these children were born, I was hoping they were all somewhere near Athlone  and maybe that is why i haven't found them.

Thanks very much to all concerned and can I just ask one more question? Does anybody have any idea where Robert and Hannah married?

Stu
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 26 August 20 15:28 BST (UK)
The Mills are in England in 1891
piece 3546 folio 36 page 18
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7GRP-B3Z

Stansfield, Yorkshire
William Mills 29 Bobbin Turner, born Ireland
Ellen Millls 26 Ireland
Johnny Mills 8 Ireland
Annie Mills 7 Ireland
Mary E Mills 5 Ireland
Robert Mills 6 mo Cornwall
Annie O'Conner Lodger 16 Cotton Spinner Ireland

A possible birth reg for Robert in the district they are living (rather than Cornwall)
MILLS, ROBERT       
Mother's Maiden Surname: CONNOR 
GRO Reference: 1890  D Quarter in TODMORDEN  Volume 09A  Page 216

Suggest "Cornwall" may have been Cornholme near Todmorden. Haven't looked at census.
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 26 August 20 16:42 BST (UK)
Thanks very much to all concerned and can I just ask one more question? Does anybody have any idea where Robert and Hannah married?

Not on Irish Genealogy.ie  Were they R.C.? They may have married before civil registration of Catholic marriages began in Ireland.
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 26 August 20 16:51 BST (UK)
Reply #7 has Patrick Born 1860, Drumcree, Armagh.

I think his is the earliest birth we have found.

Registration for Catholic marriages began in 1864 so you would be looking at parish records.

You could try Drumcree to see if they married there but they did move around a lot.  :-\

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0213
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 27 August 20 11:54 BST (UK)
Suggest "Cornwall" may have been Cornholme near Todmorden. Haven't looked at census.

It may be, but it doesn't say that.
Title: Re: O'Connor Brickwall and Irish Genealogy
Post by: Maiden Stone on Thursday 27 August 20 15:56 BST (UK)
The Mills are in England in 1891
piece 3546 folio 36 page 18
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7GRP-B3Z

Stansfield, Yorkshire
William Mills 29 Bobbin Turner, born Ireland
Ellen Millls 26 Ireland
Johnny Mills 8 Ireland
Annie Mills 7 Ireland
Mary E Mills 5 Ireland
Robert Mills 6 mo Cornwall
Annie O'Conner Lodger 16 Cotton Spinner Ireland

A possible birth reg for Robert in the district they are living (rather than Cornwall)
MILLS, ROBERT       
Mother's Maiden Surname: CONNOR 
GRO Reference: 1890  D Quarter in TODMORDEN  Volume 09A  Page 216

Robert's baptism at St. Joseph, Todmorden, 1st Oct. 1890. Parents William & Helena (CONNOR). Born 18th Sept. Godparents John MILLS, Margaret HENNERY. Baptism register 1880-1916.
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Todmorden/stjoseph/index.html

A John Mills married Bridget Gorman at same church 1893.
There was also a Martin Mills & Mary (GAVIN) who had 2 children baptised there, 1889 & 1894.