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Hello and thank you for approving me
I am researching the family Thorp(e)
I am looking for any info and especially pictures .
Father :
Edward Joseph Thorpe1887-1973 he was a motor driver ,died Springfield Massachusetts .
Mother :
Elizabeth Lilly Kelly 1884-1939 died in ireland
Charlotte Josephine Thorpe1919-1965
John Michael mills Thorpe 1921-1993.
Elizabeth Cora Thorpe1923-1985 death place Springfield Massachusetts married Dominic Thomas Barrett.
Margaret Josephine Thorp 1925-1968.
Alice Stephanie Thorp 1929-1935 died in Ireland .
There was also Alice Stephanie Kelly 1892-1962 ,she is Lillies sister who I believe moved in to help look after the children . They lived at 91 Gorden street Ringsend Dublin Ireland .
Also there is a Thorpe family in 1600 who married 3 times and had 19 children I can’t seem to make the connection.
Please help
Thank you for reading
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Edward J Thorp Born 21 Nov 1888 Walthamstow UK died 23 Mar 1973 70 Sorrento St. Springfield, Massachusetts
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP13-ZLQT
Elizabeth C Thorp Barrett Born Dublin Ireland: Died 16 Jan 1985 70 Sorrento St Springfield, Massachusetts
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q531-4XCC
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Thank you very much for the info .
Is there any army records of Edward j thorp ?
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Welcome to rootschat, Deedee 79.
Edward Joseph Thorp, born 1887/1889 Walthamstow is in several trees on Ancestry.
The Lambert2 tree has a photo of him, I have not yet checked out the others - leave that for you to do.
I think we need more information on the Thorp family in 1600 with 3 marriages and 19 children -where did that information come from, and how far back have you gone with your known ancestors?
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From the tree it would appear that the Thorp family is from London area, and the Kelly family from Ireland, but the Thorp/Kelly children were born in Ireland.
So the 1600 family would also be from Walthamstow, or anywhere in the UK?
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Think this could be Edward's birth, there is a marriage of his Father, John Thorpe, widower, to Charlotte Tait, widow, her father's name being Henry Kleboe.
from GRO
Edward Thorp mmn Keeboe in December quarter 1887 in West Ham
This birth record would make his birth year stated at death out by a year.
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This looks like the family in 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
274, Black Horse Lane, Walthamstow, West Ham, London & Essex, England
https://www.findmypast.ie/transcript?id=GBC%2F1901%2F0011010737
and 1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGQP-QMM
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Thank you for all your replies , on Edwards j Thorpe marriage register his address is 41 bath avenue ( before marriage) when married it was 91 Gorden street both in ringsend dublin ireland who is he living with before marriage? What’s he doing in Ireland ie why did he move from England to Ireland ?
Pictures :I know there is a tree there with Edwards picture and his son John Michael Miles Thorp I have made contact with lambert tree he is a cousin to my mother’s cousin , we have asked my mother’s cousin for picture but they seem to be very protected over their pictures , they did not know we existed , my mum was a adopted her mother was Margaret Josephine Thorp my grandmother had my mother in England and went back to Ireland .
I would love to see what she looked like I have contacted the church no reply as yet it’s been a month , I don’t know which school she attended there must be a picture of her somewhere I hope !
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In 1911 there is a Michael Malone living at 41.2 Bath Ave, he is a motorman with the DWT.Co transcribed as DWY but I think it could be Dublin ? Transport company, perhaps Edward got work with the same company.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000122069/
Just using Pembroke West in the DED and motor in the occupation in 1911 there are 95 results of men with various jobs involving the motor industry, DWT or DUT company features for other men also.
It's part of the Docks area of Dublin so transport companies would be necessary.
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Thank you ,do you think they would have pictures of employees of the company?
Someone said that his dad John Thorp(e) May have been in the army or his gran dad John thorp(e) 1811 married to Eliza cox 1816-1890 .
I have a 4th cousin Via dna who lives in Enniscorthy Wexford Ireland has given me her family tree but can’t seem to make the connection between us her tree is Thomas Thorpe DOB 1841 father John no DOB , Thomas married Bridget Kelly 1815 and had 13 children , how is Thomas Thorpe connected to us Thorpe , we thought maybe half brother to John thorpe 1842 but can’t find any documents . Any help with that plz
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I think it possible it's Dublin Union Trams.
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I think it possible it's Dublin Union Trams.
Possibly Dublin United Tramway Company https://www.rte.ie/centuryireland/index.php/articles/dublin-tram-company-boosts-profits-despite-rebellion
Three companies operated the trams initially, the Dublin Tramways Company, the North Dublin Street Tramways Company, and Dublin Central Tramways. These companies united in 1880, forming the Dublin United Tramways Company, https://comeheretome.com/2012/07/24/a-quick-look-at-dublin-trams-and-no-not-the-luas/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/exhibition/dublin/transport/index.html#04
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How do I contact them ? Through the county council of Ringsend ?
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All the old tramway were gone by 1949 so none of those old company's exist. It appears Dublin Bus took over their premises.
Maybe the National Transport Museum would know if any records survive.
http://www.nationaltransportmuseum.org/b005.html
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Hi so just to confirm that Edward Joseph Thorpe moved to Ireland to work for the tram company?
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Hi so just to confirm that Edward Joseph Thorpe moved to Ireland to work for the tram company?
No, he may have moved to Ireland to work for the tram company. The tram work is a possibility. You can't say for certain why he moved to Ireland, he may have had other reasons.
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Hi so just to confirm that Edward Joseph Thorpe moved to Ireland to work for the tram company?
Hi Deedee. Sinann has shown that Michael Malone worked for DUT company. There is nothing definite to say that Edward also worked for the same company. Just a possibility. Where is Edward in 1911? Did you find him on the census in England or Ireland?
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Birth of Charlotte Thorpe 18 Mar 1919. Father Edward's occupation is shown as 'mechanic' and living at 91 Gordon Street. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01249/1518977.pdf
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Hi-no I have not found him in 1911 , I have found a Edward Thorpe married lily Thorpe with daughter Evelyn living in Sheffield but I don’t know if it’s him .
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Found him. ;D He is still with his family in Walthamstow , but he is on the census a Edmund. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWFV-4QV
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Brilliant I thought he left the country or joined the army .
He is a fitter labour. So mechanic .
The death of his youngest daughter if right died in Korea is that correct?
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The death of his youngest daughter if right died in Korea is that correct?
What is her name? and when did she die?
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Where and when did Elizabeth Cora Thorp marry Dominick Thomas Barrett?
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Who is Joan Thorpe informant on Alice Kelly's death
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1962/04300/4108223.pdf
I think it says niece.
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-So Elizabeth Cora married Barrett June 1947 then moved to Springfield Massachusetts. Died there , No children .
-Alice Stephanie Thorp(e) died of diphtheria 1929-1935 .
-There is another Alice Kelly she is my grandmother’s Margaret Josephine Thorpe aunt 1894- 28-8-1939 I believe she moved in to help raise the children as their mother died when children were very young .
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Ah and Joan I believe to be my grandmother in one of the death notices my grans name was written in brackets Joan )
I don’t know how to put attachments on here sorry
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There is a picture Of a man here on one of the links But no name on it , is he a thorpe ?
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Which link? What does it link to?
If the photo doesn't have a name how would we know if it was him or not?
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=200093
I hope this works ! It’s between our messages
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It’s ok it’s a members profile picture lol sorry I am new and I was excited to see a picture of Thorpe family which I know it isn’t now lol
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Hello again ,
So going back to pictures someone Said on the page of death registry of my gran her occupation is a presser , someone said the number at the top of the page should tell you what district she would be working in ( or something like that )
Does anyone know how to do this ?
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There is a book 'Dublin tram workers, 1872-1945 / Bill McCamley' about 'Dublin United Tramways'
http://www.dublinbusdrivers.com/Dublin%20Tramworkers%20Book.html
https://www.adverts.ie/non-fiction/dublin-s-tramworkers-1872-1945-bill-mccamley/18896429
And this archives site says 'C.S. Andrews claimed in his book, Dublin Made Me, that the Dublin United Tram Company had a policy of recruiting non-Dubliners.' http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/exhibition/dublin/transport.html
It also says The remorseless twentieth-century rise of the private car in Dublin had already begun in 1911. In that year there were a total of 5,058 registered cars, buses and lorries in Ireland, a large proportion based in Dublin.
So perhaps Edward Thorp came to Dublin to work for that reason
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Thank you , will order it today .
Can anyone help me find out where my grandmother worked in Ireland as a presser and London as commercial Clerk ?
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I can’t buy that it £100 will look in Library lol
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Thank you , will order it today .
Can anyone help me find out where my grandmother worked in Ireland as a presser and London as commercial Clerk ?
In 1912 The Swastika Laundry Company opened on Shelbourne Road Ballsbridge and many young Ringsend women worked at the Swastika laundry for twelve and six a week. I would think one of the jobs there was a 'presser' . https://comeheretome.com/2010/04/26/swastika-laundry-1912-1987/
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-So Elizabeth Cora married Barrett June 1947 then moved to Springfield Massachusetts. Died there , No children .
She died in 1985
Springfield Union
Thursday, Jan 17, 1985
Springfield, MA
Page:5
Obit: https://www.rootschat.com/links/01r8p/