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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: markheal on Tuesday 25 August 20 15:54 BST (UK)
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Did this family settle in Australia please?
I believe that the couple below were married in Aden, Yemen and had two daughters there in the mid/late 1940's.
Robert William Green
1906
BIRTH SEP 1906 LUDLOW, Shropshire, England
DEATH , Darling Downs, Queensland, Australia Australia ???
Wife:
Jacqueline Bruce Rycroft Giffard
1918
BIRTH FEB 1918
DEATH , Darling Downs, Queensland, Australia AUSTRALIA ???
http://thepeerage.com/p19408.htm#i194071
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https://www.queenslandreports.com.au/docs/qlrs/2016-21.pdf
Queensland Law Reporter 3 June 2016 [2016] 21 QLR
see page 33
GREEN, JACQUELINE BRUCE RYECROFT
After 14 days from today an application for a grant of Probate of the Will.....
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http://ryersonindex.org/search.php
GREEN, Jacqueline (Jay); Death 21APR2016; age 98; late of Bupa Aged Care Home, Glenvale, Toowoomba; The Chronicle (Toowoomba) 12MAY2016
GREEN, Jacqueline Bruce Ryecroft; late of Glenvale, Qld; Probate notice: The Chronicle (Toowoomba) 03JUN2016
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http://ryersonindex.org/search.php
GREEN, Robert William (Bob); Death 01MAR1996; age 89; at Nubeena Nursing Home, late of Toowoomba, formerly of Highfields; The Chronicle (Toowoomba) 07MAR1996
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A burial search doesnt show them.
If they were cremated in Toowoomba, you could email here for details:
https://www.toowoombacrem.com.au/
Jamjar
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Is the the family?
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=8114558
Title: Immigration - Migrants in sport in Australia - Enjoying life in Australia on 'Curragundi', where they run a riding school, are Mr Robert Green, R******* Green, Mrs Green and S**** Green, formerly from Somersetshire, England. 'Curragundi' is a 20 acre property near Toowoomba
Contents range: 1972 - 1972
Series number: A12111
Control symbol: 1/1972/33/34
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https://www.queenslandreports.com.au/docs/qlrs/2016-21.pdf
Queensland Law Reporter 3 June 2016 [2016] 21 QLR
see page 33
GREEN, JACQUELINE BRUCE RYECROFT
After 14 days from today an application for a grant of Probate of the Will.....
My Cup Floweth Over!
This Law Document names two of the Aden born daughters that I found on a 1947 passenger list. I think that there might be a third sibling.
Many thanks
Mark
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Is the the family?
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=8114558
Title: Immigration - Migrants in sport in Australia - Enjoying life in Australia on 'Curragundi', where they run a riding school, are Mr Robert Green, R******* Green, Mrs Green and S**** Green, formerly from Somersetshire, England. 'Curragundi' is a 20 acre property near Toowoomba
Contents range: 1972 - 1972
Series number: A12111
Control symbol: 1/1972/33/34
Thank you
Looks like the correct family!
"formerly from Somersetshire, England."
Journalistic elasticity?
I have some maternal roots in nextdoor Wiltshire:
Margaret Bruce Long
1889
BIRTH 1 JAN 1889 Marlborough, Wiltshire, England
DEATH Unknown
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But I see that a GIFFARD sibling is registered in Somerset but without a forename!
Violet Margaret Giffard
19151989
BIRTH 20 FEB 1915 Tyntesfield, Bedminster Down, LONG ASHTON, Somerset, England
DEATH 17 NOV 1989 Cape Town, South Africa
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Births Mar 1915
GIFFARD Female Long Long Ashton 5c 938
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Sibling Jacqueline GIFFARD may have been born in USA as she arrives in Liverpool aged 10 months 25 Dec 1918 and I have not found an English birth for her.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1518/images/30807_A000647-00245?pId=17739201
Jacqueline's father appears to have been a Military Attache in USA in early 1918,
Jack Giffard Lt Col, Military Attache in 1918 OBE
18841956
BIRTH 27 JUN 1884 Chester Square, London, Middlesex, England.
DEATH FEB 1956 South Africa ?
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-LBQH-W7Z?i=218&cc=1407787
Image 218-269
South Africa, Orange Free..., Estate Files, 1951-2006
Eleanor Genista GIFFARD
Death 09 Jan 1987 Bloemfontein
Birth 15 Apr 1923 Stone Aylesbury England
Father: Colonel Jack Giffard; Mother: Margaret Bruce Giffard (born Lang)
Occupation: Nun - Mother Superior of Community St Michael & All Angels
Nationality: South African; Race: White
Place of residence during 12 months prior to death: St Michaels House Brandwag Bloemfontein
Estate: £1234.07
Lloyds Bank Ltd - Wallingford England £722.42
9 1/2 % Treasury Loan 1999 £511.65
Eleanor left all her estate to the Community of St Michael & All Angels Bloemfontein absolutely.
There appears to have been lengthy back and forth, requiring legal fees in South Africa and London.
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Cupoflife,
What gems you uncover! Thank you,
The last of this female sibling group is:
Sybella Frances Maud Giffard
1916
BIRTH 20 JUL 1916 WOOLWICH, London
DEATH Unknown
I wonder is she too died in some far-off colony?
Mark
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May be of interest
https://www.worldcat.org/title/obituary-of-lt-colonel-jack-giffard-obe/oclc/650364632
Obituary of Lt. - Colonel Jack Giffard, O.B.E by Jack Giffard
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A burial search doesnt show them.
If they were cremated in Toowoomba
Jamjar
Findagrave says Robert William Green died 1 Mar 1996 was cremated 5th Mar 1996
Toowoomba Garden of Remembrance https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/180689261/robert-william-green
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A burial search doesnt show them.
If they were cremated in Toowoomba
Jamjar
Findagrave says Robert William Green died 1 Mar 1996 was cremated 5th Mar 1996
Toowoomba Garden of Remembrance https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/180689261/robert-william-green
Rod,
many thanks for this cremation record.
Mark
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https://archive.org/stream/wiltshirearchaeo56hage/wiltshirearchaeo56hage_djvu.txt
Obit: Marlborough Times, Feb. 17th, 1956.
LT.-COL. JACK GiFFARD, O.B.E., died in Southern Rhodesia on Feb. 9th, 1956, aged 72. Son of H. R. Giffard, of Lockeridge House, he was educated at Marlborough and Woolwich. Commissioned in the R.F. A. 1905, he later transferred to the R.H.A. and was in the retreat from Mons. His battery was engaged in an epic stand, being awarded three V.C.'s, and he himself received the Legion of Honour. Unfit for further active service owing to severe wounds he served for the rest of the war at Woolwich and on the Allied Staff in the U.S. A. An all-round sportsman, he was still able, in spite of lameness, to compete with success at Olympia International Horse Shows. Invalided out of the army, he settled in S. Rhodesia in 1925. He married in 1914 Margaret, daughter of Major and Mrs. R. Long, and leaves four daughters.
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https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/19630-1914-holdouts/
Jack Giffard was wounded in the head and legs while serving with L Battery at Nery. On the 6 September, 1914, he and 140 other patients were recovering in a German hospital.
'A perfect day after the last few cloudy and close ones. Gunfire and a little musketry opened about 7 am but its quite impossible to realise what's happening. About 5 pm an English Cavalry patrol of 5 crossed the end of the park from N-S and were fired on. The hospital guard have entrenched themselves just under my window.
Had just settled down to go to sleep 8 pm when an orderly rushes in to say the Germans wish to surrender as the place is surrounded by French who very soon disarm and take over the Germans and take possession. They have come from S of Paris today and say there are no Germans near Paris, they were originally up in Belgium and trekked back and move on N or E tomorrow.'
Next day, Sept 7th:
'Heavy firing to S and SE started at 8 am. Firing gradually to E and NE and ceased by 1 pm. 5 German cavalry men passed through in the morning. An Inniskillen Fusilier came in - said he escapted from the Germans 3 days ago.
At 3pm we sent out Hopkins and Trayes to go to Nantreuil Stn to find out if anything was doing there; 5 1/2 miles out they met a German cyclists' patrol and 2 German MOs who chased them back here, but we hid them and they got no satisfaction and appeared to have no time to stop! About 6 pm, 3 Uhlans and 2 cyclists passed through. A German Dragoon demanded an officer's cloak which he did NOT get. 2 French soldiers came in, one whom the German patrol shot with revolvers, dirty dogs.'
Sept 8th:
'Two motors of French officers passed through. Smal German patrol still hanging about. Heavy firing to NE from 6 am onwards, about 12 mls. Sent Hopkins to find some means of our getting to Paris. [he] produced an aged native who can fit us out with a 4 wheel cart 4 horses and a cover, and a man to show the way.'
Sept 9th:
'We sallied forth in great style at 6 am flying the Red X flag. We passed a lot of French troops and transports en route and reached Plessis at 7.30 am where we called at Rly station and found there an ambulance train was leaving for Lr Borget [sic], just outside Paris at 9 am.'
Jack never went back to France but he died at the age of 72 in 1956.
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May be of interest
https://www.worldcat.org/title/obituary-of-lt-colonel-jack-giffard-obe/oclc/650364632
Obituary of Lt. - Colonel Jack Giffard, O.B.E by Jack Giffard
Cupoflife,
Many thanks for you stream of very interesting GIFFARD articles.
I am now attempting to buy or loan the Obit. of Colonel Jack.
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Suggests birth is 1916? there is an image but I dont have a subscription. Image may clear up any discrepancies.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/results?firstname=jacqueline%20bruce%20rycroft&firstname_variants=true&lastname=giffard&yearofbirth=1918&yearofbirth_offset=2&sourcecountry=&sid=7
Giffard, Jacqueline B R; Year of birth 1916 1916-20; British Armed Forces And Overseas Births And Baptisms; New York, United States
Giffard, Jacqueline Bruce Ryecroft 1943 British India Office Marriages; Aden
Giffard - 1949-52 Queensland Brands Directories; Queensland, Australia
Green, Jacqueline 1955 United States, Passenger And Crew Lists; America
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Gallery151/dist/JGalleryViewer.aspx?B=11988718&S=653&N=2610&R=0#/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=11988718&T=P&S=653
Title Incoming passenger cards - Jan-Jun 1966 - GREEN D-GRIFFITH
Contents range 1966 - 1966
Page 653 of 2610
GREEN, S**** J*********
Country of Birth: Aden
Date of Birth: 14/12/43
Occupation: Secretary
Country which I last stayed for 12 months or more: England
Country in which I intend to stay for 12 months or more (If Australia specify State or Territory): Australia Queensland
Intended Address in Australia: Dandaloo, Westbrook, Toowoomba, Queensland
https://transcribe.naa.gov.au/transcribe/Default.aspx?id=84258876
see RHOADES
May be of interest:
https://abr.business.gov.au/ABN/View?abn=37595769587
https://tinyurl.com/y2cgdzyz
http://www.chilolo.com.au/meetus.htm
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The Gazette Montreal, Tuesday, December 17, 1918 Page: 4
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19181217&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
(2nd column, at the end of article)
C.P.O.S. Steamer Empress of Britain Transported 110,000 Troops Overseas
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Among the passengers sailing on the Empress of Britain were Prof. P. G. H. Boswell, Lt.-Col. Jack Giffard, Mrs. Giffard and Miss Jaqueline.
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https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=Guns%2C+kites+and+horses+%3A+three+diaries+from+the+Western+Front&qt=results_page
Guns, kites and horses : three diaries from the Western Front
Author: Jack Giffard; Eddie Giffard; Walter Giffard; Sydney Giffard
Publisher: London ; New York : The Radcliffe Press, 2003.
Edition/Format: Print book : Biography : EnglishView all editions and formats
Summary:
The diaries kept by three of the six Giffard brothers who fought in the Great War are a vivid record of service on the Western Front in World War I. Jack Giffard served in the Royal Horse Artillery, Eddie Giffard was a Field Gunner and Walter Giffard served in balloons in the Royal Flying Corps
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https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Gallery151/dist/JGalleryViewer.aspx?B=12247555&S=36&N=43&R=0#/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=12247555&T=P&S=36
Title Incoming passenger list to Fremantle "Guglielmo Marconi" arrived 5 December 1963
Page 36 of 43
1303 GREEN R W
1304 GREEN J B R
1305 GREEN S M
1306 GREEN R N
Title: Incoming passenger cards - Sept-Dec 1972 - REYNDERS-RICHENSD
27 November 1972;
Item 669 of 3018 RHOADES J**** R******
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Gallery151/dist/JGalleryViewer.aspx?B=30050537&S=669&N=3018&R=0
Item 677 of 3018 RHOADES S**** J*********
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Gallery151/dist/JGalleryViewer.aspx?B=30050537&S=677&N=3018&R=0
Item 673 if 3018 RHOADES M***** A***
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Gallery151/dist/JGalleryViewer.aspx?B=30050537&S=673&N=3018&R=0
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Cupoflife
I am so impressed by your ability to squeeze yet more fine detail from the internet. [I will have to improve my searching techniques]
Whilst the Australian Incoming Passengers link does not open for me, you do confirm the 1943 Aden birthdate. [I too have a stepdaughter born in the Yemen outback].
I shall be interested to read more of these GIFFARD brothers as I have several remote links with aviation pioneers of their era including Samuel Cody, Geoffery de Havilland, Edwin Alliott Verdon Roe [Avro] and I live down the road from Farnborough Airfield!