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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: merthyrastley on Wednesday 26 August 20 10:03 BST (UK)
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Hi all
Totally confused again, hope you can help. John Saunders born 1820 Rhymney. Cant find a baptism around this time. Married an Elizabeth ? Born Blackwood Monmouthshire. Must have been before the 1841 as I have them on the census in Ebbw Vale aged 20 living with John Rees aged 20, Samual Pritchard 20 and Mary Saunders 15. Page 9 H0107 750/8 all born in Monmouthshire. I am thinking Mary is Johns sister and out of the 2 is a brother to Elizabeth. I cant find a marriage anywhere. Checked Rhymney parish records and have found a bapistim for a John Saunders birth 1821 and baptized 1849.
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If John and Elizabeth had children you can look up their birth registrations to find her maiden name.
Do you have an 1851 census for them?
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Have you ruled out a possible 1840 marriage?
There are 2 Elizabeth brides
Owen
Jones
which may or may not belong to the John Saunders groom listed.
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Another Saunders post here
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=836438.msg7017481#msg7017481
Was Edward one of their children?
You must have them on a later census to know their birthyears and birthplaces so please post full details of that entry
I can't see an 1851 or 1861 entry with those birthplaces. There is an 1851 & 1861 entry with a son Edward so where did you get Rhymney & Blackwood from
1861 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7TN-S3V
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1861 census page 19 RG09 4002/38 school room row. Rhymney Bedwellty. John Saunders born 1820 Bedwelty. Elizabeth Saunders Wife 1819 Montgomeryshire. On 1871 census she was born in Blackwood 1881 born Monmouthshire, 1851 Mynyditlwyn and then 1841 Blackwood, Monmouthshire.
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I have the family through the years but it seem the children where bapised in Rhymney Parish Church and can only find a name and date they where baptised no parent names.
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Link to 1861 in my reply above - on both 1851 & 1861 entries birthplace is Bedwelty for John
You can look up their childrens births on freebmd then use the website below to get mothers maiden name
www.freebmd.org.uk
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
1851 reference below - eldest child was 8 so marriage definitely post 1837. Elizabeth b Mynyditlwyn not Blackwood
HO107 Piece 2448 Folio 515 Page 10
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John Saunders born 1820 Rhymney. Cant find a baptism around this time.
There is a Baptism for a John Saunders 01 Jun 1820 Usk, Monmouthshire, Wales, not far from Rhymney https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCTT-Q67
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If you find Elizabeth's maiden name and then their marriage - the marriage cert should give his fathers name and occupation
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Just come across a tree on another site with some of my Saunders relations in it and its got John's marriage certificate. Its got Elizabeth'S surname as Jones wedding was on 2nd Nov 1940 in Mynyddislwyn Parish Church abode of the bride was Caerphilly spelling was incorrect and John it looks like Waterloo. Elizabeths Father was Phillip and Johns Father was Edward. Dont think it the Usk marriage as the family are still in Usk in 1841. thank you all for your time
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Looks like Waterloo was a pit in Oakdale, near Blackwood.
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birth reg for sons
Philip Saunders june qtr 1858 Abergavenny vol 11a pg 102 mmn Jones
Edward Saunders dec qtr 1847 Abergavenny vol 11a pg 24 mmn Jones
older Phillip from 1851 census sept qtr 1844 Abergavenny vol 26 pg 38 mmn Jones
possible burial Bedwellty parish church 26 Feb 1870 John Saunders 49 of Rhymney
The parish entry for the marriage is on FindmyPast. The abode for the bride isn't Caerphilly, looks like CourtyWilley
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Mynyddyslwyn/WyllieMethodistWyllie