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Title: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: Runner55 on Thursday 27 August 20 10:57 BST (UK)
Hi

I wonder if anyone can please help me decipher this entry of an Irish parish marriage record from County Monaghan in Ireland, 1876.

I've searched for ages to find my great grandparents' marriage record (even in the Irish Civil Records which started way before their marriage in 1864) but without success until I manually and laboriously trawled through on-line manuscripts page by page, and came across this one.

I suddenly saw a flash of what I think might be the right information, but despite much enlarging and squinting, I've been unable to fully read the entry as it is so faint.

Intentionally, I haven't provided any of the subject or place names as I'd really like a totally objective interpretation ..... if this is at all possible, given the poor quality!

If anyone can assist I would be most grateful.

Looking forward and thanking in anticipation.

Runner55

Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: dublin1850 on Thursday 27 August 20 12:41 BST (UK)
What parish is it so that we can look at the original document?
Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: Simsam on Thursday 27 August 20 13:10 BST (UK)
Are you able to provide a (much) higher quality image? The writing here is small and pixelated when I try to enlarge it.
Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: Runner55 on Thursday 27 August 20 13:26 BST (UK)
Hi Dublin 1850

It should be the Magheracloone Parish in Carrickmacross, County Monaghan.  I'm pretty sure it's 1876.

Hi Simsam

Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to enhance it any more.  I was hoping someone might have some super-duper method or tool for doing that. 

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Many thanks to both!

Regards
Runner 55

Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: dublin1850 on Thursday 27 August 20 16:36 BST (UK)
The bride is from Kimertha (Camertagh/Comertagh)
Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: josey on Thursday 27 August 20 16:44 BST (UK)
Is bride Anna Leonard? Bride's father Thos L & mother Sara By**is? One witness maybe Brigida Sims.

Have played with contrast & brightness.
ADDED: Groom's parents ?Patrici M et Maria X
Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: dublin1850 on Thursday 27 August 20 16:53 BST (UK)
I think the groom might be Terentius (Terence).
Looks at josey's cleaned up version, groom possibly from Dooagh (now Doagh).
Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: josey on Thursday 27 August 20 16:58 BST (UK)
Yes, well done, dublin1850; other witness surname Martin.

I suggest a browse [more a trawl!] through the baptisms in same parish for Anne & Terence - say from 1845 - 1860. Will give parents names. Also marriages around that time of Leonards & Martins. Or pay a day's subscription to http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/ for indexed results.

Griffiths has these Patrick Martins in Magheracloone [don't know the year]
Griffith   Martin   Patrick   Greaghawillin(Jackson)   Magheracloone   Co. Monaghan   
Griffith   Martin   Patrick   Enagh                           Magheracloone   Co. Monaghan   
Griffith   Martin   Patrick   Leons Beg                           Magheracloone
Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: dublin1850 on Thursday 27 August 20 17:17 BST (UK)
Could it be Hugh Martin?
Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: josey on Thursday 27 August 20 17:30 BST (UK)
Yes could be - I was thinking Dug...
Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: Runner55 on Thursday 27 August 20 17:42 BST (UK)
Wow!!! Josey and Dublin1850 -  you've left me totally speechless!!  What incredible sleuthing. And so fast!  :) :)

You've just solved a long-standing puzzle around my father's family and here's why;

My paternal great grandparents were Terence Martin and Anne Lennon (but I can see how this looks like Leonard on this record.)

My great grandad Terence Martin was indeed from Doagh in Magheracloone Parish, Carrickmacross but I've never known whether my great grandmother Anne Lennon was from Comertagh or nearby Cornalaragh  ......... because two Anne Lennons were born within one month of each other in 1853 in each of these two townlands, and it's been a constant frustration over the past few years of research not being able to get to the root of it.

Also, the parents of the Anne Lennon who was born in Comertagh were Thomas Lennon and Sara Byrne, which seems to fit your findings too.

So I think I can safely say - thanks to you - I can confirm my family are the Comertagh Lennons and I now also know the names of my great-great Lennon grandparents (big bonus!) which means I can now research their roots too.  Incredible!

And, yes, the name Hugh runs regularly throughout all generations of my Martin family, so it's totally feasible that there was a Hugh Martin as a witness.

A massive breakthrough for my father's side of the family. 

A huge thank you to you both!!!

Regards
Runner55

Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: dublin1850 on Thursday 27 August 20 17:45 BST (UK)
I found Anne's baptism. She is Lennon, father Thomas and mother Sara Byrne.
'Kimmertagh'  townland. 5 May 1853. Can be seen on registers.nli.ie (http://registers.nli.ie)

Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: dublin1850 on Thursday 27 August 20 17:48 BST (UK)
To find them in the 1911 census you need to search for Toirdhealbhach Ó Maírtín (Terence Martin) as the Enumerator interestingly filled in almost all of Drumcarrow district in the old Irish script.
Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: Runner55 on Thursday 27 August 20 18:02 BST (UK)
Thanks for that additional information dublin1850. Really helpful.

May I just ask you, do you think on my posted document Terence's mother's surname could be read as Finnegan?

I've always thought she was Mary/Maura/Maria Finnegan, married to Patrick Martin, but have never been entirely sure.

Thanks
Runner55
Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: dublin1850 on Thursday 27 August 20 18:18 BST (UK)
Yes, it could easily be Finnegan.
Title: Re: Hard to Read Irish Parish Marriage Record from 1876
Post by: Runner55 on Thursday 27 August 20 18:44 BST (UK)
Hmm.  Thought it might be.