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Title: Edward Pinnell 1811 Islington Middlesex
Post by: maggie.mae on Thursday 27 August 20 15:59 BST (UK)
Hi all.
Could someone help me find Edwards marriage, please? A family tree on Familysearch has his marriage on 26 January 1833 to Elizabeth Sorrell. I would like to know where they have got that info from.
1841 census living Bethnall Green Middlesex
1851 census living Shoreditch Middlesex
1871 census living St Saviour Southwark
1881 census living Brentford Middlesex
....working as a Silversmith

Thanks
Maggie
Title: Re: Edward Pinnell 1811 Islington Middlesex
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 27 August 20 16:02 BST (UK)
Can't see a marriage in 1833.

Could you ask the person who has that information to confirm where they got it from to save you some time?
Title: Re: Edward Pinnell 1811 Islington Middlesex
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 27 August 20 16:05 BST (UK)
When was their first child born?

There's an Edward Pinnell/Eliza Major marriage 23 Dec 1832 Stepney.

Witnesses James & Sarah Major.
Title: Re: Edward Pinnell 1811 Islington Middlesex
Post by: maggie.mae on Thursday 27 August 20 16:08 BST (UK)
That's who I thought he'd married but the 1861 census has him as a Master Grocer when he was a Silversmith in the other censuses
Title: Re: Edward Pinnell 1811 Islington Middlesex
Post by: maggie.mae on Thursday 27 August 20 16:21 BST (UK)
Hi.
Found the marriage on Familysearch. No other info only the date. Tried Findmypast but they don't have it. Has anybody got Ancestry.co.uk? Or can it be found anywhere else?
Title: Re: Edward Pinnell 1811 Islington Middlesex
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 27 August 20 16:28 BST (UK)
The marriage is on Ancestry.  Unfortunately there is no occupation given for Edward, sometimes they did before it was part of the 'form'

Eliza did not sign which is also a shame as her name has been written as 'x Elizabeth Major'  although it has her as Eliza higher up.  If she had signed it herself we could be more sure that she was Elizabeth and not Eliza.

Title: Re: Edward Pinnell 1811 Islington Middlesex
Post by: Christine53 on Thursday 27 August 20 16:33 BST (UK)
familysearch has the marriage of Charles Pennell and Elizabeth Serrell 28 Jan 1833 Southwark.

Looking at the register for St George Southwark her name could be Sorrell , but their is no dot over the e in Pennell ( but it's not very  clear .) Witnesses are Thomas and Mary Snelling.

I can't see anything at all for Edward Pinnell/ Elizabeth Sorrell.
Title: Re: Edward Pinnell 1811 Islington Middlesex
Post by: maggie.mae on Friday 28 August 20 08:46 BST (UK)
Thank you ladies. If the marriage to Elizabeth/Eliza Major is correct, what could be the reason his occupation is given as "Master Grocer" in the 1861 census when all the other censuses are "Silversmith" Could there be another "Edward" who was a Grocer? mmm....I'll see if I can find one. I've looked at this tree before on Familysearch and there have been a few mistakes, but you have to investigate as it could be right.
Thanks again
Maggie
Title: Re: Edward Pinnell 1811 Islington Middlesex
Post by: jonw65 on Friday 28 August 20 11:44 BST (UK)
If the marriage to Elizabeth/Eliza Major is correct, what could be the reason his occupation is given as "Master Grocer" in the 1861 census when all the other censuses are "Silversmith"

Edward's father in law, James Major, is with them in 1861. Age 71, Silk Weaver, born Bethnal Green. Which is a bonus for you. Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-L3NZ-XKFT?i=965

Edward Pinnell is in London directories around that time as a grocer at 25 Belvedere Place, Borough Road, as per the 1861 census.
Title: Re: Edward Pinnell 1811 Islington Middlesex
Post by: maggie.mae on Friday 28 August 20 13:49 BST (UK)
Hello Jon.
....so did he stop working as a Silversmith between 1851 and 1871 and started a grocery shop? Did the work dry up? Did he start the business for Elizabeth? I haven't found another Edward Pinnell so I feel confident it is the same family and that he did marry Elizabeth Major. If anyone can tell me different I would appreciate your input. I will keep an open mind though.
Thank you for the info on James Major. I haven't started that family yet.
Regards
Maggie
Title: Re: Edward Pinnell 1811 Islington Middlesex
Post by: jonw65 on Saturday 29 August 20 12:09 BST (UK)
Edward Pinnell is in the PO London Directory as a grocer at 25 Belvedere Place from 1861-1869.
He is also at the address in the London Land Tax Records on ancestry, appx 1862-70, Mr/Edwd/Ed Pinnell, in St George the Martyr.

So about ten years, or just under, there.
John
Title: Re: Edward Pinnell 1811 Islington Middlesex
Post by: maggie.mae on Saturday 29 August 20 15:47 BST (UK)
Thank you, John. I subscribe to Findmypast but I will be going back to Ancestry next month. It seems a better site.
Maggie