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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Candidiasia Ibberrson on Friday 28 August 20 09:17 BST (UK)
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This is the information I have on my 3rd Great Grandfather.
I cannot work the residence out on the MC. I would like to find out where he was born. Where he was a coal miner and any other information.
My connection to this gentleman is through his daughter Agnes. I do not need the information on Agness
Marriage Certificate
Married 30 January 1849. in The Parish Church of Sheffield, in the County of York.
Married Ann Walker
Robert Gregg, age 23, Batchelor, Occupation Miner. Place of Residence?. Father George Gregg a Miner. Witnesses: Joseph Walker and Harriet Walker
Death Certificate (Copy)
Died 27 November 1891, Normanton Springs, Sheffield. Age 67 years. Occupation Coal Miner. Name of Informant Ellen Foggart Daughter of the deceased present at the death Normanton Springs. Cause of death Cirrhosis of Liver. (Hardening of an organ usually due necrosis leading to scarring; Cirrhosis of the liver may result from Alcohol
Thanks Candis
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Looks like Lord Street . Blueva
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Looks like Lord Street . Blueva
Thank you
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Have you found any census returns for his place of birth?
Colin
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I have the 1871 estimated birth year 1827 Cheshire
He is with his wife Ann two daughters and a son
Piece 4689
Folio 138
Page number 22
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His death suggests born 1824 maybe the one below?
Robert Greg
Baptism Date: 2 Apr 1823
Baptism Place: St. Mary's-on-the-Hill, Chester, Cheshire.
Father: Robert Greg
Mother: Ann
Colin
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Robert seems to be an only child, this looks like his father.
Robert Gregg
Birth Date: 1782
Death Age: 57
Burial Date: 23 Jan 1839
Burial Place: St. Mary's-on-the-Hill, Chester, Cheshire
Anne Gregg may have remarried.
[Anne Williams]
Marital status: Widowed
Marriage Date: 23 Sep 1841
Marriage Place: St. Mary on the Hill, Chester, Cheshire, England
Father: Thomas Williams
Spouse: William Ledsham
Colin
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The Father on the MC for Robert is George a coal miner
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Yes I thought so, I was worried about that one because I had seen the tree on Ancestry, it was the Hannah/Ann which added to the confusion.
The tree states born 1826 Pointon, Cheshire but I think that is based on the 1861 census other census records record various places in Cheshire. No record in the county as far as I can see.
Robert Gregg
Birth 1826 Pointon Lincolnshire England
Marriage 01/1849 Sheffield Yorkshire England
Residence 1891 Handsworth Yorkshire England
Death 10/1891 Sheffield Yorkshire England
Father GEORGE CRAIG (1799-1840)
Mother MARY ANN HARGREAVES (1799-1859)
Spouse Hannah Walker (1827-1899)
Colin
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I think that is a contented especially with the spelling of the surname. I am led to believe this is a Scottish connection
Death Cert for Ann Gregg, death 06 April 1899 Normanton Sprint, Ag3 70, Widow of Robert Gregg a Coal Miner
Cause or death Think it is wasting away
Informant David Foggart Son in Law Ellens husband
On the Marriage to Robert her father is listed as Robert Walker Occupation Miner
Marriage Certificate for my 2x Great Grandmother Surname on MC is Graig
Married 25 January 1883, in The Parish Church Handsworth, York. Married Ralph Holland Agnes Gregg, Age 21, Spinster, Normanton Srpings, Sheffield, Father Robert Graig (mispelt), coalminer Witnesses: George Francis Dewsnap and Elizabeth Dewsnap. (Elizabeth is Ralphs Sister)
Candis
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Is this the family I wonder?
Wath Upon Dearne,York baptisms parents George & Mary
Robert Gregg 3 Jun 1827, others, Amelia Greg 21 Nov 1819, Joseph Greg 11 May 1828
Then Benjamin Gregg Baptism 24/04/1836 Handsworth, Yorkshire.
Colin
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1841 parish of Handsworth, Yorkshire.
Mary Gragg 40 Transcribed Ruth but is Rob’t Gragg 15, Charles Gragg 10, Benj Gragg 5
All born in the County
In 1851 they are still there Mary 53 a widow with Charles & Benjamin. All born Yorkshire
The entry before is Robert 25, Hannah 24 & Mary 1.Robert noted as born Pointon, Cheshire.
All the boys are coal miners
Colin
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Thank you much Colin
That does see to be the right family. I wonder where they were coal miners and whether there is any history on the.
Thank you for your help
Candis
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There were a large number of mines in what is now South Yorkshire, when they lived in Wath Upon Dearne, they were probably nearer to the mining areas, maybe less so when the moved to Handsworth, Yorkshire.. Some information on the sites below, plenty more on line.
http://www.calmview.eu/SheffieldArchives/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=COAL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Yorkshire_Coalfield
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Lundhill_Colliery_Disaster
You mentioned earlier that you thought there was a Scottish connection, which given the name, depending which one it is, may be right. Do you have any specific information?
Colin
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1841 parish of Handsworth, Yorkshire.
Mary Gragg 40 Transcribed Ruth but is Rob’t Gragg 15, Charles Gragg 10, Benj Gragg 5
All born in the County
In 1851 they are still there Mary 53 a widow with Charles & Benjamin. All born Yorkshire
The entry before is Robert 25, Hannah 24 & Mary 1.Robert noted as born Pointon, Cheshire.
All the boys are coal miners
Colin
On the otherhand unless Mary was not registered there is no Mary b 1849-1851 with the mmn of Walker
Robert in general did not seem to know where he was born. On one census it just says Cheshire, on another it says Cheshire N K (not known)
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There were a large number of mines in what is now South Yorkshire, when they lived in Wath Upon Dearne, they were probably nearer to the mining areas, maybe less so when the moved to Handsworth, Yorkshire.. Some information on the sites below, plenty more on line.
http://www.calmview.eu/SheffieldArchives/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=COAL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Yorkshire_Coalfield
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Lundhill_Colliery_Disaster
You mentioned earlier that you thought there was a Scottish connection, which given the name, depending which one it is, may be right. Do you have any specific information?
Colin
No just that family members think Craig is the right one. I was kinda hoping that Ancestry DNA Scottish link was there. Back to researching and trying to solve a tangled web.
Thanks
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On the other hand unless Mary was not registered there is no Mary b 1849-1851 with the mmn of Walker
Unless she was registered elsewhere in the County.
GREGG, MARY WALKER
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in OF RIPON Volume 23 Page 601
Colin
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If George was born in Scotland say between 1790 & 1800 there were the following possibilities, as an example.
Gregg, no George but 44 others in period.. Craig 1,285 including 22 George’s but of course the connection could have been earlier generations.
Good luck, Colin
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Hi
I have just come across your post today, Amelia Gregg/Craig sister of Robert is my 3rd Great Grandmother, I have recently been researching the family.
I believe Robert was christened at Wath upon Dearne, where Mary Ann Hargreaves family came from, even though on the census it says he was born at Cheshire.
I think our 4th Great Grandfather George Craig is the one buried at Handsworth Church 7/4/1840 age 40, died at Four Lane Ends (there is no record of this death on GRO) so I have just applied to Sheffield Registrar but unfortunately they haven't been able to find any death record. (Gutted)
I have found a George Craig birth 26/11/1898 Attercliffe Father Robert mother Mary.
plus other children listed below
Joseph Craig 1801
Matthew Creag 1803
Robert Creag 1805-1815 (buried Handsworth Church)
Mary Creag 1805
Charles Creag 1808
Benjamin Creag 1809
Thomas Creig 1811
Francis Creig 1813
Just to let you know I got the above information from transcriptions. A lot of the above names correspond in my case with the next generation.
I see you mentioned a scottish connection, just wondered how you came to this please.
let me know what you think about my finds
Best wishes
Chris
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Hi Chris
I would love to connect with you. I would love to know more. I will send you a pm.
Kind Regards
Candis
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Hi Chris
This reply has been sent to me in error ! Sorry
Blueva
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Hello Candis
This reply has been forwarded to me in error very sorry can’t help
Regards Blueva