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Title: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 29 August 20 07:21 BST (UK)
I would appreciate some assistance with locating members of this family please.

Some background:

1911 census
2 Crawford St, Greenock.
George Farrell head 50 widr bricklayer b Ayrshire, Saltcoats
Sarah Farrell sister 52 W
Peter son 16 S apprentice boat builder b Glasgow
Laurence son 13 b Renfrewshire, Greenock
Samuel son 4 b Greenock

George’s wife Maggie died in 1910.

There was an older son, George b 1890 who emigrated to Australia in 1910. I have information about his family and WW1 service. I also have the family in 1891 and 1901, plus some related of birth, death and marriage certificates.

It is specifically George snr and his sons that I am looking to track down after 1911. There are a few possible deaths and marriages on SP but I am hoping for some ideas or help on how to determine which, if any, might be the right people.

I considered that Peter might have joined up but I can’t see an exact match on Ancestry for a Peter Farrell serving in WW1.

Thanks for any help.  :)
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: loobylooayr on Saturday 29 August 20 08:33 BST (UK)
Hi,
 
On Familysearch - a UK Merchant Seaman record (Military Service 1918 -21)  for a Lawrence Farrell born in 1897 Renfrewshire  -  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC7R-TX5   
Perhaps this could offer a direction to search for Laurence/Lawrence ?

Looby :)
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: ev on Saturday 29 August 20 08:42 BST (UK)
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George’s wife Maggie died in 1910

Was Maggie's maiden surname McVey ?
There is a death Peter Farrell , 1976 , age 80 , Kilwinning Ayr  :-\


ev
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: ev on Saturday 29 August 20 08:53 BST (UK)
Do you know when Lawrence was born ?
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/203518598/lawrence-farrell


ev
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: ev on Saturday 29 August 20 09:08 BST (UK)
Samuel , not sure ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JN7K-J6X


ev

Added-
Valuation Roll . George Farrell , tenent , house 4 Argyll Street Port Glasgow , 1921.
VR007100041.
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: ev on Saturday 29 August 20 09:22 BST (UK)
There is another Samuel Farrell age 3(with father George) in Port Glasgow in 1911.
Don't think the Samuel in the last post is yours.


ev
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 29 August 20 22:43 BST (UK)
Thanks looby. I will have a look at that.  :)

Yes ev. Maggie’s maiden name was McVey (with spelling variations). I did see that death of the 80 year old with MMN McVey, but the middle names threw me. I do not have Peter’s b/c but it seems like I might need to get it.

Lawrence was 3 in 1901 and 13 in 1911, so born c 1898 though I do not have his b/c. I think I will have to do so to see if that burial matches up.  :)

The Valuation Roll find looks interesting, though I know there are other George Farrells around.

Thanks for your help - these give me a couple more avenues to explore.  :)

Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 29 August 20 23:08 BST (UK)
Result for Lawrence.  ;D

Looking at the Find a Grave image, I opted to buy the marriage certificate for this couple. Yes, he is the correct Lawrence. He was a seaman, lived at Ferry House, Ardnay, Arrochar.  ;) He married Elizabeth on 2 Dec 1919. Both of his parents are deceased.

That is very useful to narrow down George’s death between 1911 and Dec 1919.  :)

Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: Johnf04 on Sunday 30 August 20 00:06 BST (UK)
I have a distant cousin (William HANVEY), who on his marriage in Glasgow in 1918, has both parents deceased. His mother Agnes, though, died in 1922, and I haven't found a death for his father, who is not noted as deceased on Agnes' death.
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: Ruskie on Sunday 30 August 20 01:38 BST (UK)
I was wondering if that might be the case here John.

On SP the only death which looked promising .... that of George Farrell who died in 1919 age 62 - is not “my” George.
 
Does anyone know how I can find out more about the Peter Farrell who died in 1976 (as there are no images for this d/c on SP).
 
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: Ruskie on Sunday 30 August 20 02:08 BST (UK)
Samuel , not sure ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JN7K-J6X


ev

Added-
Valuation Roll . George Farrell , tenent , house 4 Argyll Street Port Glasgow , 1921.
VR007100041.

Just looking at this now ev .... very interesting.
On the passenger list why are the two boys crossed out?
Who is William?
Who is Mrs George Farrell? No relationship is given for her (whereas relationships are given for contacts of others on the list)
... maybe their father George remarried .... William possibly half brother to Samuel?
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: ev on Sunday 30 August 20 09:07 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know how I can find out more about the Peter Farrell who died in 1976 (as there are no images for this d/c on SP).
This looks like his birth-
Peter Grumely B Farrell , 1895 , Camlachie Lanark

As for the Samuel Farrell I found , I don't think he is your Samuel.
There is a different Farrell family in Port Glasgow in 1911 , with son Samuel and father George.


ev
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: ev on Sunday 30 August 20 09:14 BST (UK)
There is a George Farrell at 2 Crawfurd Street Greenock(as per 1911) , 1915 VR.
Not there in 1920.


ev
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: ev on Sunday 30 August 20 09:39 BST (UK)
Not sure if you have looked at the Inverclyde Intimations site(goes up to 1918) ?
The only thing I could see-
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Margaret McVey Farrell died at Greenock Infirmary 1st October 1910 after falling from her window at 2 Crawfurd Street.
Greenock Telegraph 3.10.1910.


ev
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 30 August 20 22:17 BST (UK)
Hi Ruskie  :)

The death of Peter that Ev found is certainly I think the correct one for him. Peter reported the death of his brother Samuel in 1968, also in Arrochar as his brother Lawrence.

Samuel doesn't look to have married and working as a labourer at the time of his death. He died from stomach cancer at the Vale of Leven Hospital in Alexandria.

Monica

Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: Ruskie on Sunday 30 August 20 23:17 BST (UK)
There is a George Farrell at 2 Crawfurd Street Greenock(as per 1911) , 1915 VR.
Not there in 1920.
ev

So that narrows down his death further ... to between 1915 and 1919 (presuming that the information provided by son Lawrence on his marriage certificate was correct)


Not sure if you have looked at the Inverclyde Intimations site(goes up to 1918) ?
The only thing I could see-
Quote
Margaret McVey Farrell died at Greenock Infirmary 1st October 1910 after falling from her window at 2 Crawfurd Street.
Greenock Telegraph 3.10.1910.


ev

I was not aware of the Inverclyde Intimations.

This is excellent information. Thank you ev.

Her cause of death was Fracture of the Skull, and I was curious to how that happened. Sounds dreadful - poor Maggie.

Monica - thanks for your valuable input.  :)
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: Ian Nelson on Monday 31 August 20 01:08 BST (UK)
Saltcoats, North Ayrshire.
The website for Ardrossan, Saltcoats & Stevenston is .. https://www.threetowners.com/

If you post a request for information re: Farrell they will help you.

I know of R Farrell (male) born about 1947 from Saltcoats and M. Farrell ( married female - different family) Saltcoats and Ardrossan probably born 1950s.
They may still be alive so I can't divulge details but threetowners can help .. they regularly access the archives of the Ardrossan & Saltcoats Herald which covered Kilwinning to Largs and the Garnock Valley towns of Dalry, Kilbirnie and Beith.
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 31 August 20 01:19 BST (UK)
Thank you Ian. That looks like it could be very useful.  :)

Ev and Monica - Following your recommendation I downloaded the b/c of Peter Farrell b 1895. Yes, he is the correct Peter!  :) There must be a story behind those interesting middle names of “Grumely” and “Ballantine” .  :)

There is now only father George’s death to be found.
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: Johnf04 on Monday 31 August 20 01:21 BST (UK)
There are a number of FARRELL families in Stevenston - including mine, who were there from the 1880s. I'm not sure if they are linked to Ruskie's FARRELLS, but I haven't traced all the lines descending from my 2nd great grandfather Jeremiah FARRELL, who was born in Ireland, but was married in Ayrshire in 1829.
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 31 August 20 02:12 BST (UK)
There are a number of FARRELL families in Stevenston - including mine, who were there from the 1880s. I'm not sure if they are linked to Ruskie's FARRELLS, but I haven't traced all the lines descending from my 2nd great grandfather Jeremiah FARRELL, who was born in Ireland, but was married in Ayrshire in 1829.

John, parents of the father George referred to in this thread were born in Ireland. George’s father was Charles, born about 1817. Charles and family moved to Scotland between 1845 and 1848, and lived in Stevenston. I don’t know whereabouts in Ireland they came from. Do you know where yours came from as there may be a connection, and it might give me somewhere to start looking for them.  ;)
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: Johnf04 on Monday 31 August 20 02:18 BST (UK)
Unfortunately, I don't know where Jeremiah's family came from, in Ireland. A townland name was recorded on my great grandfather Hugh's birth, in 1855, but it is unreadable.

Jeremiah's parents were Thomas FARRELL, a salt worker; and Alison SLAVEN. They lived in St Quivox, Ayrshire, in the 1830s.
Title: Re: Searching for Farrell family after 1911
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 31 August 20 02:38 BST (UK)
I don’t recognise those names I’m afraid John. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were related somewhere along the line though.