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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Eyesee on Saturday 29 August 20 10:35 BST (UK)
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Trying to find what happened to Edward YATES, born 1838 in Halifax, Yorkshire. Came to Nelson in 1842 on the 'Martha Ridgway' with older brother Henry and parents John and Jane.
The parents and Henry eventually ended up in Masterton via Wellington.
He was only a young child when he arrived so may have died young.
No deaths that I can find on the BDM website. Have also trolled through PapersPast. John did not leave a will.
There is a Inquest in 1897 at Archives Wellington relating to a house fire at Edward Yates house at Upper Plain. Believe this is Henry's son Edward who lived in that area.
Thanks.
Ian C
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Possible marriage?
1870/5100 Jane Watson Edward Yates
Added: No issue found from this marriage.
Minniehaha.
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Do you have a death printout for either parent? If the death was registered after October 1875, the number of children living at his or her death should be recorded. You can then determine whether or not Edward was still alive at that time.
Minniehaha.
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Further to the above mentioned marriage, this could be his probated will?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9PZ-FX81?i=136&cc=1865481&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQ2XL-92MT
Of interest is that the death of this Edward Yates on 5.4.1882 does not appear to have been registered. If the same couple as married in reply #1, there is a daughter, Mary Anne whose birth does not appear to have been registered in New Zealand.
Added:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18820623.2.53.1?end_date=31-12-1882&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=edward+yates&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1882
https://www.westernbay.govt.nz/community/cemeteries
"We'll be adding our other cemeteries - the Old Te Puke Cemetery, the Katikati Cemetery and the Maketu Cemetery, as time permits."
Perhaps you could contact the council for details of Edward Yates, who appears to have been buried @ Maketu. Obtaining his age would be helpful.
To be discounted as 'yours' or otherwise......
Minniehaha.
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The Inquest referred to in the opening post. It sets out the Yates family relationships:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WDT18970227.2.19?end_date=31-12-1897&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=edward+yates&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1897
Added: Probated will of Henry Yates. Confirms one son named Edward.......
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9NS-DPR2?i=614&cc=1865481&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQK9V-KX29
Minniehaha.
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Further to reply #3.....
Daughter Mary Anne may have been born about 1859, so the above marriage in 1870 probably not 'yours'. However it would still be of interest to know how old the Edward Yates who died at Maketu was.
Minniehaha.
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Thanks Minniehaha.
Have sent an email to Westernbay Council.
Ian C
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Hi Ian
NZBDM online Death Index has >
1882 / 2219 Edward GATES 62 years ( bc 1820 )
Date of death is > 5 April 1882
NZ Death Index (@ ancestry) has >
Edward YATES - death registered at Drury - 2nd quarter 1882
~ Lu
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Just heard from Westernbay.
The Edward who died 1882 not buried in any of their cemeteries.
Ian C
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Maybe back to suggestion @ reply #2...?
Minniehaha.
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Just heard from Westernbay.
The Edward who died 1882 not buried in any of their cemeteries.
Ian C
Jane YATES (formerly WATSON), the widow of above (1882) Edward YATES, died in 1902. Her death notice gives "Otara Cemetery" as her burial place.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19020607.2.2.4
~ Lu
Edit - to amend wording for sense.
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Hi Ian
NZBDM online Death Index has >
1882 / 2219 Edward GATES 62 years [i]( bc 1820 )[/i]
Date of death is > 5 April 1882
NZ Death Index (@ ancestry) has >
Edward YATES - death registered at Drury - 2nd quarter 1882
~ Lu
??? Aren't you looking for an Edward YATES born circa 1838 ??
[ This 1882 Edward appears to have been born c. 1820 - his wife Jane bc 1818 . ]
???
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Ian
Wairarapa Archives may be of help ?
[Death certs for John and Jane YATES .... + other YATES family information. ]
https://masterton.spydus.co.nz/cgi-bin/spydus.exe/FULL/OPAC/ARCENQ/34952796/39921277,5
~ Lu
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Both John and Jane YATES death certificates indicate one surviving son.
Jane's from 1890 gives his age as 47, which indicates a birth year of 1842/43. Could be Edward but the age is a bit out. Unless it is another son altogether.
Do the diaries of John Henry Cooper the surgeon on the Martha Ridgway exist anywhere? There were a number of births and deaths on the voyage.
Ian C
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Hi Eyesee,
Tapuhi has some records you might find helpful.
https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22362220
Spades
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Thanks Spades but they seem to be more about the first voyage to Wellington rather than the second to Nelson that the Yates family was on.
Diaries of some of the ships surgeons are around, or ones by a passenger.
Ian C
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Trawling through the male deaths (in the time frame you are looking at) for Yates between 1890 and 1930 I have found the following possibilities:
1912/1822 Yates Robert 72Y
1910/2759 Yates Benjamin 69Y
1895/2064 Yates George 54Y
1905/4948 Yates George 63Y
Minniehaha.
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Hi Eyesee
http://www.huttcity.govt.nz/Leisure--Culture/Museums-and-galleries/Our-museums/petone-settlers-data/DisplayPerson/?Id=3264&SearchString=MARTHA%2
* Click on 2nd link within the result shown ^ MART0202
Deaths aboard the "MARTHA RIDGWAY" (arrived NZ early 1842 ) >
No ages given, but an Edward GATES - died on 11 December 1841 during the voyage.
There does not appear to have been a GATES family amongst the passengers .... but it could be that YATES has been transcribed as GATES ?? (see an example of mis-transcription of this surname, earlier in this thread.)
~ Lu
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Lu
I think that answers the question nicely. He died on the voyage, which I thought might have been a possibility.
Guess that means that there was another son born in NZ in 1842/43 after they arrived if there was a surviving son on both parents death certificates. The George that Minniehaha found who died 1905 is the closest fit. Looking in the Cemetery records he is buried in Greytown. Will follow him up a bit and see what I can find.
Ian C
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Mmm........
The newspaper reports shows a younger age:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MT19050801.2.35?end_date=31-12-1905&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=george+yates&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1905
Actual date of death for George (1905) was 28.7.1905.
Added: Coroner's report:
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23710833
Minniehaha.
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Find a grave:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/116069088/george-yates
Minniehaha.
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Hi Ian
Have doubts about the George YATES (d. 1905) being a son ???
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19050801.2.52
Newspaper article did state this man "had no relatives in the Colony" ... and of course there were still a number of children of Henry YATES alive in 1905 (who would count as relatives). :-\
~ Lu
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Ah .... think this "Sam YATES" is the missing son ! :D
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NEM18700307.2.5
Marriage notice for Sam YATES (s/o John YATES) and Eliza Ann FOX - 1870 :
~ Lu
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NZ Birth
1871 - YATES - Samuel Hughy Edward
Parents: Sam and Eliza
Edited: Correction to spelling error.
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Not much time at present to find this Sam and family ... am thinking though that he left NZ.
Just came across this 1870 bankruptcy notice.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WI18700625.2.28.2
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Electoral :
1870-71 - Wellington roll
YATES
- Sam - Thorndon store
- Henry - freehold -house and land
- John - house on Lot 565 .... all resident at Molesworth Street
[The other Sam (Samuel) YATES who appears in NZ E/rolls, resident at Mongonui. ]
~ Lu
Edited to add address
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Sam YATES
... can see has been included in some "trees" ( mainly re: Eliza Ann FOX) at ancestry.
Listed mostly as "Samuel Hugh YATES" ... and who is recorded as having died in NZ 1872.
[That is incorrect - seems to have been confused with death for "Samuel Haigh YATES" who along with his twin, Thomas Harry YATES were infant sons of Agnes and late Henry YATES, who died at Wellington aged 3 weeks in February 1872. ]
NZBDM has death in 1947 for "a Samuel YATES - 76 - bc 1871" : (Haven't found death place as yet.)
~ Lu
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think thats the other one Lucy
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NA19470508.2.40?end_date=31-12-1947&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=samuel+yates&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1947
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Thanks Mckha :)
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Sam is still on the electoral rolls in Molesworth St up until 1873-74 along with his father John. He is gone in 1874-75.
Can't find him anywhere else in the rolls so as Lu said earlier he must have left the country, or perhaps changed his name.
Ian C
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;D ... his whereabouts has got me beat, too.
Searching on "YATES" is problematic ;D .... all the variations beginning with "Y" ... and the mis-transcriptions -- GATES / BATES / OATES ... etc. :D
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Will close this one now as we have found out what happened to Edward.
May open another query for Sam if anything further comes to light.
Thanks to everyone for their help.
Ian C