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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: up2you2 on Sunday 30 August 20 13:47 BST (UK)
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The following Kirks have eluded me, any help and assistance would be greatly appreciated
Birth, deaths where applicable, and any families if possible please:
John Kirk 1855- Linden Mill,– Galashiels, Selkirkshire married Jessie Thomson 1857-1880
Annie Kirk -1947 Foresthall Home & Hospital, 659 Edgefauld Road, Glasgow
Maybe Annie Bruce nee Kirk Wright 1890-?
Benjamin Kirk 1926-– Falkirk, Stirlingshire married Marion E Bowers 1926- deaths unknown, children accounted for
William Kirk 1905- Earls Lane,– Falkirk, Stirlingshire
James Kirk 1812-–1882 Kensington, London
James Kirk 1814-– Australia?
George W Kirk married Margaret L Carruthers 1838-1922
Children:
George Carruthers Kirk 1875- in Lockerbie, Dumfries-shire married Eleanor Graham 1871-1909
Robert Jardine Kirk 1867-1909 in Dryfesdale, Dumfries-shire married Catherine Anderson 1870-1898
Reginald Dillon Hall Kirk 1894-1950, in Greenock, Renfrewshire married Agnes C Kirk 1878-1939
Edited , possibly living.
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Foresthall, Springburn, was the Barony Poorhouse,Barnhill, re-used as Foresthall Hospital.
www.workhouses.org.uk/Barony/
Skoosh.
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John Kirk 1855- Linden Mill,– Galashiels, Selkirkshire married Jessie Thomson 1857-1880
marriage on Scotlands People - a few credits would give you the parents names
Jessie Thomson - John Kirk - 1879 - 644/3 221 - Dennistoun
Sandra
Added - confirmation of death -
Jessie Kirk - aged 23 - 1880 - 622/1 52 - Maryhill
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George Carruathers Kirk of St Andrews Cottage Lockerbie Dumfriesshire - "spinster" ? died 18 November 1926 - confirmation of Agnes Carruthers Kirk - spinster - sealed London 25 January 1927.
Married Eleanor Graham - 1903
George Carruthers Kirk - Eleanor Graham -1903 - 479/ 122 - Falkirk.
Sandra
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The probate for Robert Jardine Kirk - died 3 February 1909 Poolhouses - probate 19 April 1909 Dumfries Scotland.
Robert sometime of Cape town Cape Colony , commercial traveller, thereafter of Poolhouses, Lockerbie
Confirmation granted Dumfries - George Welsh Kirk and Margaret L Carruthers or Kirk. Both reside Poolhouses.
Sandra
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I know of 2 guys called Kirk from Saltcoats, don't know if they were related though. H. Kirk, born 1943ish played professional football and D. Kirk was at Ardrossan Academy, he would have been born 1946ish.
Edited , living ?
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The probate for Robert Jardine Kirk - died 3 February 1909 Poolhouses - probate 19 April 1909 Dumfries Scotland.
Robert sometime of Cape town Cape Colony , commercial traveller, thereafter of Poolhouses, Lockerbie
Confirmation granted Dumfries - George Welsh Kirk and Margaret L Carruthers or Kirk. Both reside Poolhouses.
Sandra
Robert Jardine Kirk 1867-1909 I already have on the tree, he's different from
James Robertson Kirk 1933-
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That's great. No thank you or gratitude for people researching, just a curt remark.
We explore all possibilities and spend a lot of time doing it. The probate for Robert Jardine Kirk may have revealed names of children had he had any.
Some of the names you have quoted could be living people. Many people born 1933 and 1935 are still living.
Have you checked Scotland People for death records ?
Sandra
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Ian
As the 2 people you mention were born in the 1940's - are they now deceased? Rootschat has a no living persons policy so unless you know they have died you need to remove their names from your reply
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Most of the BMD info you are asking for will be on Scotlands People which is a pay per view site.
Have you looked at census records to determine children for the others you mention?
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That's great. No thank you or gratitude for people researching, just a curt remark.
We explore all possibilities and spend a lot of time doing it. The probate for Robert Jardine Kirk may have revealed names of children had he had any.
Some of the names you have quoted could be living people. Many people born 1933 and 1935 are still living.
Have you checked Scotland People for death records ?
Sandra
Sorry about that, didn't mean for it to come across like that.
The Tree Manager I am sure will have checked for death records, and I very much assume that Scotland People will be one of the sites that she has looked at.
She has been doing this for 20 years, so these are the exceptions that she has been unable to find and confirm.
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Most of the BMD info you are asking for will be on Scotlands People which is a pay per view site.
Have you looked at census records to determine children for the others you mention?
The Tree Manager I am sure will have checked for death records, and I very much assume that Scotland People will be one of the sites that she has looked at.
She has been doing this for 20 years, so these are the exceptions that she has been unable to find and confirm.
I know for sure she checks all the available census records.
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As the tree manager is clearly very experienced but has failed to establish the info needed - could it suggest it isn't available for whatever reason?
The death for James Kirk in 1882 is on freebmd www.freebmd.org.uk so presumably the tree manager already has him on earlier censuses with family etc? There is an easily found 1881 entry for him in London with his wife. He has a distinctive occupation and can also be found in 1871 in England. This does assume the tree manager has the right James Kirk death in 1882?
BMD's for the pre-1900 people mentioned should certainly be found on SP providing the people named married & died in Scotland. Census info should also be available.
If no deaths are to be found for the later births, it may suggest those people are either still alive or no longer live in Scotland. Rootschat has a no living persons policy.
Has the tree manager checked electoral registers for them or whether they perhaps emigrated
No marriage in Scotland or England for Benjamin & Marion - where did they marry? Given their respective birthyears any children would have been born in the 1950/60's. Perhaps they can provide the info you need?
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The Robertson/Frew marriage was 1959 so any children are probably still living
Am I correct in assuming that all the Kirks named in your opening post are biologically connected?
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The Robertson/Frew marriage was 1959 so any children are probably still living
Am I correct in assuming that all the Kirks named in your opening post are biologically connected?
You make a valid point - could it suggest it isn't available for whatever reason?
The only reason I have raised them again, is that I have been quite amazed at what others have been able to find.
We have exhaustively checked the other dominions.
Benjamin & Marion married 7 Sep 1951 • Fisherwick Presbyterian Church, Belfast, Northern Ireland.
Hotel Manager - Grand Central Hotel, Belfast: Then started Hamilton & Kirk, a leading catering company in Northern Ireland.
Whilst I was communicating with one of their sons Ben Bruce in 2016, he literally died on me mid correspondence.
It took me a while to establish this, and I got quite a shock at the time.
Looking at all of this again, Ben's son is on Facebook I think, so I will try again.
Thank you for reminding me of this suggestion.
Trying to get the living to engage is not for the faint hearted, I would say my success record is only about 10%.
Yes all Kirks are related.
One daughter has been confirmed from the Robertson/Frew marriage already.
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So Benjamin & Marion will have died in Ireland - not Scotland. If this info was known in 2016 has the tree manager not already made enquiries in Ireland re death dates etc? If you manage to make contact with their grandson he may be able to fill in the gaps for you.
My sister was b 1929 and brother 1933 - both living. This may be the case for the Robertson/Frew couple. As no deaths are found - you need to remove their names from your post
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So Benjamin & Marion will have died in Ireland - not Scotland. If this info was known in 2016 has the tree manager not already made enquiries in Ireland re death dates etc? If you manage to make contact with their grandson he may be able to fill in the gaps for you.
My sister was b 1929 and brother 1933 - both living. This may be the case for the Robertson/Frew couple. As no deaths are found - you need to remove their names from your post
How do I do that please?
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You will see a “Modify” icon in the top right hand corner of your post. Click on it and it will open your post and allow you to remove the names. Just click “Save” when you have finished
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You will see a “Modify” icon in the top right hand corner of your post. Click on it and it will open your post and allow you to remove the names. Just click “Save” when you have finished
Yes on some of these posts the option of "Modify" appears, but not unfortunately on my original post.
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"modify" button is available for 24 hours - otherwise ask a moderator to edit your post.
Sandra
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Sorry - forgot about the 24hr deadline. I should have checked the times of postings ::)
Moderator has removed names