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Mary Cotter b c 1905 Bristol Bucks Pennsylvania Parents Patrick Cotter & Nora Killackey. Marys mother died24 Jan 1910 & Mary returned to Ireland at some stage to relatives and married & died here.
I am hoping to locate any records in particular her ship record for return to Ireland. Also while I have her fathers name Patrick Cotter born c. 1868 Ireland & his marriage to Nora Killackey in 1899 I do not have any records for him after his wifes death or do not know where in Ireland he originated.
Thank you for any assistance.
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There are a Patrick & Mary Cotter on the SS Baltic from NY to Queenstown on 11 Jun. 1911. Patrick is a labourer and Mary is listed as an infant. No other Cotters with them. The infant part is off, but maybe they marked the wrong column.
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There are a Patrick & Mary Cotter on the SS Baltic from NY to Queenstown on 11 Jun. 1911. Patrick is a labourer and Mary is listed as an infant. No other Cotters with them. The infant part is off, but maybe they marked the wrong column.
Thank you shellyesq a great possibility wonder did Patrick remain in Ireland were there any details of their intended destination in Ireland.
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No, it doesn't say anything more than they got off in Queenstown. They were both listed as Irish, which may not be a perfect fit with Mary being US-born.
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No, it doesn't say anything more than they got off in Queenstown. They were both listed as Irish, which may not be a perfect fit with Mary being US-born.
thank you
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No, it doesn't say anything more than they got off in Queenstown. They were both listed as Irish, which may not be a perfect fit with Mary being US-born.
thank you
shellyesq 1911 Census Lisbryan Ballingarry Tipperary Mary Killacky 74 widow farmer
Timothy Son 39, Phoebe Ellen 27 MARY COTTER age 9 grandaughter born Philadelphia USA . Possibly the ship record you found in June 1911 not correct as census was probably taken in April
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no closer to his origins, but here are a few records:
1900 Census, South Ardmore, Montgomery County Pennsylvania
11 June 1900
[indexed at ancestry as Cotti]
on Chalifont Avenue
Patrick Cotter, 27, born March 1873, arrived 1892, naturalized, coachman, born in Ireland, parents also
Nora Cotter, 24, born October 1875, 0 years married, no children, arrived 1895, born in Ireland, parents also
I couldn't find that at familysearch. I don't know if their 1900 census is working today.
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Census, Apr 18, 1910
at 2758 Newkirk Street, Ward 38, Philadelphia
Robert Atkinson, 39, painter
Elizabeth E Atkinson, 38, married 1x, for 14 years, 1 child, 1 alive, born in Ireland, parents also, arrived 1888
Leo F Atkinson, 13, single
Patrick Cotter, 42, widowed, brother in law, born in Ireland, parents also, arrived 1892 [maybe 1890, hard to read], alien status, gardener, landscape
Elizabeth R Cotter, 5, niece, born in Pennsylvania, parents in Ireland
Richrd Brown, 25, boarder
James McHale 16, nephew, born in Pennsylvania, parents also
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MG7D-B2T
right family because:
Leo Atkinson's death record
20 February 1916, at 708 S 60th, Philadelphia
parents: Robert F Atkinson and Elizabeth Kellaky, born in Ireland
doctor: Edw J Donnelly
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Elizabeth Atkinson passport application
born Co Tipperary on or about 14 December 1872
husband Robert F Atkinson was born in Scranton, PA
residence: Philadelphia
purpose of trip: to Ireland, visit relatives
to England, en route to Ireland
intends to sail June 10, 1916 on the SS New York
age 44, 5 feet 8 inches, blue eyes, black hair - some grey, dark complexion,
Robert F Atkinson 'a native citizen, have known Elizabeth E Atkinson for 21 years' etc
signed Robert F Atkinson, 1415 Filbert St
note attached: "To whom it may concern, This is to certify that Mrs Robt. Atkinson a patient of mine has been in poor health for the past 6 months and that I have advised her to take a sea voyage. She has some relatives in Ireland as I thought the ... would benefit her"
Signed Dr Edw Donnelly
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Elizabeth's baptism, [age on passport - 10 years]
baptism Shinrone, Tipperary and Offaly
14 December 1862
Eliza, [daughter of] Hugh Killacky and Mary Egan, Lisbrien, sponsors: Dan Killacky and Margaret Cummins
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a son for Patrick and Hanora:
Kirk and Nice, Undertakers
Main St and Washington Lane, Germantown, Philadelphia
deceased: Joseph Patrick Cotter
father: Patrick Cotter
mother: Hanora
age: 11 months, 15 days
sex: male
place of birth: Germantown
parents' birthplaces: both Ireland
date of death: February 27, 1905
cause: bronchial catarrah
place of death: 756 W Carpenter St, Ward 22 [Philadelphia understood]
burial: Holy Sepulchre, March 1, 1905
minister: Catholic
[minister's] residence: Mt Airy
physician: Dr William Alrich, residence: Carpenter St
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Nora's obit
Philadelphia Inquirer 26 January 1910
Cotter - On January 24, 1910, Nora, wife of Patrick Cotter, aged 35 years.
Nora's funeral Thursday January 27 at 8:30 AM from her late residence Newportville Road, Bristol PA. High mass at St Marks Church, 10 AM, interment St Mark's Cemetery.
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1905 Philadelphia City Directory
Patrick Cotter, gardener, home 756 Carpenter, Germantown
location matches death of Joseph Patrick, occupation matches 1910 census with his in laws.
but
1910
Robert Atkinson, painter, 2758 Newkirk
no Patrick Cotter at all, but he had been in Bristol until his wife died, which might explain it
1911
Robert F Atkinson (Atkinson Brothers) home 2758 N Newkirk
no Patrick at that address
could be either of these, or neither, but there weren't too many Patrick Cotters in Phila.
Patrick Cotter, driver, home 1601 Dauphin
Patrick Cotter, driver, home 2314 N 16th
haven't looked yet in 1912 and following, since daughter Mary is back in Ireland by Apr 1911.
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if his age is right in 1900, this might be him arriving
SS City of New York from Liverpool and Queenstown, arrived NY May 7, 1891
boarded at Queenstown, steerage
Pat Cotter, 18, laborer, Ireland, Ireland, B.G. [?]
some names above and below him:
John Buckley, 22
Francis Lankford [?], 20
Thomas Pennick, 19
James Connell, 28
John O'Keefe, 19
Thomas Mulcahey, 24
Lawrence Grodie [?], 18
and more
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVS2-KF8T
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Pat Cotter, 18, laborer, Ireland, Ireland, B.G. [?]
It's N.Y., not B.G.
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Pat Cotter, 18, laborer, Ireland, Ireland, B.G. [?]
It's N.Y., not B.G.
That changes things then, since that was the column for intended destination.
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There were 15 men named Patrick Cotter, age 38 +/- 5 years on the 1911 Census of Ireland. All but 4 were heads with wives and children. 1 was a widowed son in law in the household, but he had 2 children born in Ireland between 1901 and 1911.
That leaves 3 others, and all of them were also there in 1901.
So I wonder if Patrick went back to the US or on to England.?
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a son for Patrick and Hanora:
Kirk and Nice, Undertakers
Main St and Washington Lane, Germantown, Philadelphia
deceased: Joseph Patrick Cotter
his death record calls him Patrick Joseph Cotter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J6SB-WBL
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two more children:
Death, Philadelphia
at 1105 Ogden, Ward 14
James Carter [sic]
death: 13 January 1911
born 11 July 1907, Bristol, Bucks County, PA
cause: broncho pneumonia, contributory: phthisis
father: Patrick J Cotter, born in Ireland
mother: Nora Klakey, born in Ireland
informant: Patrick J Cotter, of 1105 Ogden St
buried: St Marks Cemetery, Bristol, 16 January 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JD55-SZV
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1910 Census, Ward 14, Philadelphia
at 1105 Ogden
Walter Renshaw, head, 35, single, born in Pennsylvania, parents also
Emily Renshaw, 50, widowed, born in Pennsylvania, parents also
Annie Cotter, 8, boarder, born in Pennsylvania, parents in Ireland
James Cotter, 3, boarder, born in Pennsylvania, parents in Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MGDR-HMW
[note there is another Ann Cotter in Philadelphia, born 1902, daughter of Michael J and Annie Cotter]
no sign of their Annie, in a quick search.
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is this Patrick re-marrying?
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Delaware County, Pennsylvania
Marriage License
Patrick Cotter, born in Ireland 28 March 1874, living in Philadelphia, a laborer, has been married before, the marriage was dissolved by death
Delia Hevey, born in Ireland [no date] 1889, living at 1515 Callington St, Philadelphia, a maid, has not been married before.
signed 27 September 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHN4-D44
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married 27 September 1911 at Philadelphia
by John P Leahy, minister of the Gospel
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHN4-D4C
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1920 Census, Philadelphia Ward 22
2 January 1920
at 1350 Mechanic St
Patrick Cotter, 44, arrived 1890, naturalized 1915, gardener, florist
Deria Cotter, 24, arrived 1890,
Joseph, 8
Catherine, 6y 6m
Morris, 5
Helen, 3y 7m
Secilay [probably Cecelia], 1y 7m
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M6YL-2TR
If so, then Patrick died by 8 April 1923:
Death, Philadelphia, at Germantown Hospital
[indexed as Coller]
8 April 1923
Joseph Coller [sic], age 11, born in Philadelphia
father: Patrick Cotter, deceased, born in Ireland
mother: Delia Heavy, born in Ireland
informant: Delia Cotter, 1353 Mechanic Street
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Daughter Helen's info calls him Joseph Patrick
Social Security Application Index
Helen Cotter Ryan,
born 1 Feb 1916, died 6 November 2003
father: Joseph Patrick Cotter
mother: Delia H Cotter
[she was married by January 1936, based on her SS records
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I can't find the death record for Patrick Cotter himself. He is not
Patrick Cotter, age 19, buried 30 May 1920, New Cathedral Cemetery 2nd and Butler
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and if that is him re-marrying, then the age and immigration year roughly agree with the man who arrived in 1891 who said he was headed to New York.
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Death, Philadelphia
James Carter [sic]
death: 13 January 1911
informant: Patrick J Cotter, of 1105 Ogden St
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JD55-SZV
This puts Patrick in the US in January 1910. Had he taken Mary back to Ireland already, after the 1910 Census, or did he go between Jan 1911 and his possible remarriage on 27 Sep 1911? Or did she travel with someone else?
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1919 Philadelphia City Directory
Patrick J Cotter, gardener, home 6119 N Beechwood
no 1920 Directory at ancestry
1921
Delia Cotter, widow Joseph, home 1353 Mechanic, Germantown
Death Certificate [indexed as Cattor]
Joseph P Cotter
6 February 1920
at 1353 Mechanic
age: about 45
parents names and birthplaces unknown
informant: Mrs E Cotter, 1353 Mechanic
buried: Holy Sepulchre, 11 February 1920
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I just knew the second wife wouldn't know his parents' names. :(
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The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 26 Jan 1910, Wed Page 7
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58583269/obituary-for-nora-cotter-aged-35/
Sandra
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1919 Philadelphia City Directory
Patrick J Cotter, gardener, home 6119 N Beechwood
no 1920 Directory at ancestry
1921
Delia Cotter, widow Joseph, home 1353 Mechanic, Germantown
Death Certificate [indexed as Cattor]
Joseph P Cotter
6 February 1920
at 1353 Mechanic
age: about 45
parents names and birthplaces unknown
informant: Mrs E Cotter, 1353 Mechanic
buried: Holy Sepulchre, 11 February 1920
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I just knew the second wife wouldn't know his parents' names. :(
Thank you oldohiohome for your trojan research it will take me time to digest all the records. One query on 1910 census when Patrick Cotter is with the Atkinson family (Elizabeth atkinson was a sister to Nora Killackey Cotter) it gives Elizabeth Cotter age 5 is this another daughter I have Mary in Ireland in 1911 age 9. Also 2nd marriage for Patrick Cotter probably 2nd wife could be Delia Heaphy? :)
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The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 26 Jan 1910, Wed Page 7
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58583269/obituary-for-nora-cotter-aged-35/
Sandra
Thank you Sandra
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One query on 1910 census when Patrick Cotter is with the Atkinson family (Elizabeth atkinson was a sister to Nora Killackey Cotter) it gives Elizabeth Cotter age 5 is this another daughter I have Mary in Ireland in 1911 age 9. Also 2nd marriage for Patrick Cotter probably 2nd wife could be Delia Heaphy? :)
1. I don’t know, the births aren’t showing up. I will take another look.
2. Heaphy could be right. It would sound the same. Does it ring a bell?
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One query on 1910 census when Patrick Cotter is with the Atkinson family (Elizabeth atkinson was a sister to Nora Killackey Cotter) it gives Elizabeth Cotter age 5 is this another daughter I have Mary in Ireland in 1911 age 9. Also 2nd marriage for Patrick Cotter probably 2nd wife could be Delia Heaphy? :)
1. I don’t know, the births aren’t showing up. I will take another look.
2. Heaphy could be right. It would sound the same. Does it ring a bell?
since receiving all your information I have traced Delia Heavey born in Co Galway Ireland 1st Jan 1888 parents Andrew Heavey & Catherine Silk. I think they may have all moved to PA as they are not showing on Irish census in 1901. The purpose of my search really is Patrick Cotter as I had a DNA match to a grandson of Patricks daughter Mary and as I have Cotter both maternal and paternal I believe this is how we match. But I cannot locate any birth records for Patrick in Ireland that I can tie in with my own ancestry. In some records Patrick is down as Joseph P so confusing. I found another son to Patrick & Delia a John b 1921 on 1930 census he is 9yrs
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There is a birth for an Elizabeth Cotter with parents Robert J. & Nora Kellacky Cotter in Philadelphia 24 Sept. 1905. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB1N-JVZ Maybe Patrick got mistranscribed?
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There's also a Patrick J. Cotter Jr. born to Patrick J. Cotter & Nora Kellackey in 1904. https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.fatherSurname=cotter&q.motherGivenName=nora&q.motherSurname=kellackey&count=20&offset=0&m.defaultFacets=on&m.queryRequireDefault=on&m.facetNestCollectionInCategory=on
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There's also a Patrick J. Cotter Jr. born to Patrick J. Cotter & Nora Kellackey in 1904. https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.fatherSurname=cotter&q.motherGivenName=nora&q.motherSurname=kellackey&count=20&offset=0&m.defaultFacets=on&m.queryRequireDefault=on&m.facetNestCollectionInCategory=on
tks shellyesq this Patrick died 27th Feb 1905 age 11 months 5 days. Noted birth for Elizabeth tks
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One query on 1910 census when Patrick Cotter is with the Atkinson family (Elizabeth atkinson was a sister to Nora Killackey Cotter) it gives Elizabeth Cotter age 5 is this another daughter I have Mary in Ireland in 1911 age 9. Also 2nd marriage for Patrick Cotter probably 2nd wife could be Delia Heaphy? :)
1. I don’t know, the births aren’t showing up. I will take another look.
2. Heaphy could be right. It would sound the same. Does it ring a bell?
Found birth for Delia Heavey 1st Jan 1888 Co Galway also found her on 1901 irish census age 12. Ship passenger list arriving in Philadelphia 28th May 1906 Ship Haverford. Her parents didnt immigrate Father Andrew died 1897 Mother Catherine died in 1922. On ship record Delia was going to a sister Mary in Philadelphia.
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Is there any chance that Patrick's daughters Mary and Annie could be the same person?
disregard. see next few posts.
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dob for Annie
Births, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania
Annie C Cotter
December 15, 1901
father: Patrick Cotter, gardner
mother: Nora Cotter
residence: Chalifont, Ardmore
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HFKX-YGN2
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There's a Mary born to Patrick & Nora Cotter on 3 Aug 1900 in Montgomery. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HFK4-9BT2 The actual image appears to have names listed in all sorts of random date order, so I didn't have luck finding her on there.
Maybe your Mary "got younger" when she crossed the pond?
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There's a Mary born to Patrick & Nora Cotter on 3 Aug 1900 in Montgomery. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HFK4-9BT2 The actual image appears to have names listed in all sorts of random date order, so I didn't have luck finding her on there.
Maybe your Mary "got younger" when she crossed the pond?
Births, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania
Mary Cotter
August 8, 1900
father: Patrick Cotter, gardner
mother: Nora Cotter
residence: South Ardmore
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HFK4-9BT2
could be a 3 or an 8, it's blurry
edited. after I posted, I saw it linked to the same page.
She is the 13th line from the bottom.
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Thanks Shellyesq & Oldohiohome for Marys birth details. My big quest now is to find Patricks origin i.e birth in Ireland so I can link my connection to him. Do you think I should post on Irish board? :) :)
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I don't know where this record was hiding all day.
Patrick J Cotter, Jr
birth 14 March 1904, Philadelphia
father: Patrick J Cotter, born Cork, Ireland
mother: Nora Kellakey, born Tipperary, Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HHK8-S6W2
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but most of the Cotters were from Cork anyway, from what I saw, so it doesn't narrow it down too much.
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Thanks Shellyesq & Oldohiohome for Marys birth details. My big quest now is to find Patricks origin i.e birth in Ireland so I can link my connection to him. Do you think I should post on Irish board? :) :)
It might be a good idea. You have a list of children's names. After you eliminate the ones from Nora's side and from Delia's side, the list might tell you something.
Annie might be Patrick's mother's name, and I wouldn't be too surprised if Patrick J's father was Patrick J as well, but it's just a hunch.
And you have March 1873 and 28 March 1874 as possible birth information. And in Cork. (So post on the Cork board).
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We're probably not going to find much more in the US, unless his marriage record names his parents, but that is not too likely, especially since the 2nd one in 1911 didn't ask for them. They added information to the records as the years went by, not the other way around.
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Link back to this thread in case anyone on the Cork board needs the information, it will save them time.
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Patrick Cotter (Killackey) 1899 Male license number 117074
in Orphan's Court, Philadelphia
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JJN2-5QH
from the image of the Marriage License
117074, stamped Sep 30 1899
Patrick Cotter and Nora Killackey
State of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia County
Clerk of Orphan's Court,
Patrick Cotter, born in Ireland, age 26, residence: Wynwood, Pennsylvania, occupation: coachman
not married before
Nora Killackey, born in Ireland, age 23, residence: 12 and 13... Suttonwood St
no occupation
they are not related
Signed 3rd September 1899
Patrick Cotter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6SDQ-PDQ?i=1258&wc=QDNG-9MY%3A1588753668%2C1588753695&cc=2466357
edit: the signature date could be the 30th as well. take a look at it.
edit: Nora's residence is probably Buttonwood St, not Suttonwood. There is a Buttonwood St in Phila.
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I Rev James J Kane on 25 October 1899, at Philadelphia, [married] Patrick Cotter and Nora Kellackay, in accordance with License issued by the Clerk of Orphan's Court of Philadelphia
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6SDQ-XVY?i=1259&wc=QDNG-9MY%3A1588753668%2C1588753695&cc=2466357
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James J Kane (Rev) home Spring Garden, below N 12th
so he was probably with Assumption Church (now a historical landmark), at 1121 Spring Garden St, near N 12th
the church
https://www.abandonedamerica.us/assumption-of-the-blessed-virgin
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how does this man match up with your family?
24 March 1874, Schull East Parish, Cork and Ross Diocese
Patrick Cotter, son of James Cotter and Catherine Lancer, of Coosheen. sponsors John ... and Mary Cotter
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=61039&h=5916798&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=2533
civil
21 March 1874, Coosheen, Skull
Patrick, son of James Cotter of Coosheen, a farmer, and Catherine Cotter, formerly Lancer [Lanier?]. informant: the father
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01pvb/
I only looked in 1873 and 1874 in Cork, and there might still be some I missed due to spelling at civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/, and ancestry's indexing.
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edited to add
other children to this couple: Johanna (1865), John (1866), Bridget (1868), Ann (1870).
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how does this man match up with your family?
24 March 1874, Schull East Parish, Cork and Ross Diocese
Patrick Cotter, son of James Cotter and Catherine Lancer, of Coosheen. sponsors John ... and Mary Cotter
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=61039&h=5916798&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=2533
civil
21 March 1874, Coosheen, Skull
Patrick, son of James Cotter of Coosheen, a farmer, and Catherine Cotter, formerly Lancer [Lanier?]. informant: the father
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01pvb/
I only looked in 1873 and 1874 in Cork, and there might still be some I missed due to spelling at civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/, and ancestry's indexing.
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edited to add
other children to this couple: Johanna (1865), John (1866), Bridget (1868), Ann (1870).
I have no connection in skull co cork that I know of. I have concentrated my birth search in area of Dunmanway west co cork & Midleton East co cork. I have seen a few possibilities but none with births in March 1873/1874. These had fathers Patrick Mothers Margaret & Kate. Looking at ship records unfortunately info is scarce mostly doesnt give origin or destination i.e name of person going to.Are there any Death Certs available for PA maybe show his parents names. Patrick immigrated in1892 per 1900 census.
Great work by you to locate the marriage details also. Thank you
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1. I posted his death record - his 2nd wife didn't know his parents' names.
2. There is a possible 1891 arrival for him in one of the early posts, but that Patrick said he was headed to New York. I might look through the Philadelphia arrivals themselves - they were a separate set of records.
3. Thanks for narrowing down the areas of Cork.
4. One possibility left in the US is if he had siblings also in Philadelphia, but so far I haven't seen anyone else named Cotter at any of his addresses. He isn't in all the city directories for some reason.
5. Comparing the signatures on the marriage records - I'd say it is the same Patrick who married both Nora and Delia.
6. He must not have had an obituary, or someone here would have found it by now.
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Oldohiohome I have found an obituary for Maurice Cotter (this is a christian name widely in my line) with 2nd wife Delia b 30 Jan 1915. It gives names of 2 Maurices daughters I will try social media 1 name is Elizabeth Amoroso. Maurices wife was Elizabeth . He died 15 May 2007 age 92 married for 67 yrs so about 1940.
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Might be a few names for you to check out in this obituary for Helen Theresa (Cotter) Ryan -
The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 9 Nov 2003, Sun Page B06
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58627603/obituary-for-ryan-helen-theresa-aged/
Sandra
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U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index - Helen Cotter Ryan
Helen C Ryan - Helen Cotter Cotter
Birth Date 1 Feb 1916 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - Death Date 6 Nov 2003
Father Joseph P Cotter - Mother Delia H Cotter.
Sanmdra
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Katherine Marie (Cotter) Grant
The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 16 Sep 2001, Sun Page 6
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58627688/obituary-for-katherine-marie-grant/
Sandra
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U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index - Cecilia Rita Cotter
Cecelia Rita Fetterolf - Cecilia Fetterolf - Cecelia Fetterof
Birth Date 26 Jun 1918 Germantown P, Pennsylvania
Death Date 7 Aug 1992
Father Patrick Cotter - Mother Delia Heavey.
Sandra
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The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 11 Aug 1992, Tue Page 52
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58627785/obituary-for-cecilia-fetterolf/
Sandra
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Katherine Marie (Cotter) Grant
The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 16 Sep 2001, Sun Page 6
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58627688/obituary-for-katherine-marie-grant/
Sandra
Vernon J Grant son of above (seems to be Vernon Joseph Grant not Vernon Patrick Grant)
FIND A GRAVE
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159524934/vernon-joseph-grant
Sandra
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Obituary - The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 16 Mar 2016, Wed Page B06
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58627976/obituary-for-vernon-j-grant-aged-80/
Sandra
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wife of Vernon Grant (above)
The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 27 May 2001, Sun Page 10
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58628033/obituary-for-carol-c-grant-aged-59/
Sandra
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Interesting have just come across an anc tree for Grudziak family - linked to Vernon and Carol above)
This would give you contact.
Sandra
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Interesting have just come across an anc tree for Grudziak family - linked to Vernon and Carol above)
This would give you contact.
Sandra
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THank you Sandra you certainly have given me lots of information to work on ;D Patrick Cotters christian names seems to alternate between Joseph & Patrick
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I might look through the Philadelphia arrivals themselves - they were a separate set of records.
He isn't in all the city directories for some reason.
I didn't find him by searching the Philadelphia arrivals separately.
I looked back through the city directories. There are no other Cotters at any of his addresses - the ones for him on the censuses or the ones for him in the city directories.
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I might look through the Philadelphia arrivals themselves - they were a separate set of records.
He isn't in all the city directories for some reason.
I didn't find him by searching the Philadelphia arrivals separately.
I looked back through the city directories. There are no other Cotters at any of his addresses - the ones for him on the censuses or the ones for him in the city directories.
thks for your efforts I have now located on social media some descendants of Patrick Cotter hoping I will get replies to my messages will update you if I see.on 1900 census Patrick is recorded as born March 1873 immigrated 1892 . I dont hold much hope about the 2nd family of Patrick having any info on his origins.
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I looked again at the birth record for Patrick and Nora's daughter Annie, and it was 14 December 1901, not the 15th.
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Arriving New York August 4, 1929, from Cobh (Queenstown) July 28, 1929, on the SS Adriatic
Anna C Cotter, 27, single, born December 14, 1901, Philadelphia
Bette R Cotter, 23, single, born September 24, 1905, Philadelphia
both returning to home: 41 West 72nd Street, New York
[US citizens didn't have to list a contact person in the country they were leaving.]
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24XR-J75
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New York, NY index to marriage licenses
18 June 1941, Manhattan, New York City
certificate: 10552
Ann C Cotter, 39, born December 1901, Ardmore, Pennsylvania, a nurse, living at 17 West 91st St, father: Patrick J Cotter, mother: Nora Cotter
current marriage number: 1
and
Carlton Joseph Chartier, 30, born 13 April 1911, Springfield, Massachusetts, an electrician, living at 530 State St, Brooklyn. father: Able Chartier, mother: Malvina Chartier
current marriage number: 0
witnesses: George A Perez, Elizabeth C Wilder
[that is her sister]
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Massachusetts Death Index
Ann C Chartier
died 16 November 1988, Charlemont
born 14 December 1901, Pennsylvania
certificate: 59342
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last residence on her Social Security Death Index was Mount Vernon, Westchester County, NY
[why was her check being sent there if she lived, and died, in Massachusetts?]
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Ann at findagrave
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/198892428/ann-chartier
Ann's obituary: Brattleboro (Vermont) Reformer, 11 November 1988
ancestry.com's index says parents: Patrick Cotter and Mora Kelacky Cotter. siblings: Elizabeth Wilder
I don't have a subscription to access the obituary, but I think it would have mentioned children if there were any.
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her husband:
Massachusetts Death Index
Carlton J Chartier
27 September 1995, Charlemont
born 13 April 1911, Massachusetts
Carlton's obit: Brattleboro (Vermont) Reformer, 28 September 1995
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New York, NY marriage license indexes
Bette R Cotter
and George C Wilder
married 19 December 1931, Manhattan
License: 28642
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1940 Census Manhattan NYC
April 16, 1940
at 625 West 156th
George C Wilder, 33, 2 years college, born in New York, secretary, city court judge
Bette Wilder, 33, 4 years high school, born in Pennsylvania
Constance Wilder, 6, 1 year school, born in New York
Patrick Wilder, 3m, born in New York
all lived in New York City in 1935, but not at this address
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQTP-Z7D
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New Jersey Death index and a Web Obituary Index:
Bette R Wilder
born 24 September 1905, Germantown PA
died 4 November 1998, Hamilton Township, New Jersey
obituary said to be dated 5 November 1998
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I haven't found the daughter, but I think the son is still living. I'll PM you the details.
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Obituary - copy for your records.
The Brattleboro Reformer Brattleboro, Vermont 17 Nov 1988, Thu Page 18
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58681775/ann-cotter-chartier-17-november-1988/
Sandra
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Both Wilder children still living so cannot name but you will be able to follow - hopefully.
"P" born 8/12/1939 (as in reply 53) married "C" July 1971 East Windsor Township, Mercer, New Jersey.
Wife of "P" - "C" is on facebook - will send you a link
Sister "C" born 10/5/1933 married in 1954 to Ernest Wokoun - Manhattan, New York City - License Number 21279
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLS5-HKVF
Google - Project Mom: A Collection of Essays 0th Edition - A Collection of Essays
New Jersey Death Index - Ernest Robert Wokoun
Age: 79
Birth Date 1 May 1931 New York City, New York,
Death Date 4 Jun 2010 - Death Place New Jersey.
SSDI - Ernest Robert Wokoun
Birth Date 1 May 1931 - 4 June 2010
Last Residence 08690, Trenton, Mercer, New Jersey.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JGYD-8J8
Ernest with his parents on the 1940 census - Oyster Bay Town, Nassau, New York.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3BQ-6WN
Sandra
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U.S., Obituary Collection for Ernest Wokoun sent by pm - more names to research :)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKP2-4DKS
Sandra
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Sister "C" born 10/5/1933 married in 1954 to Ernest Wokoun - Manhattan, New York City - License Number 21279
Google her first and last names + New Jersey and there are a lot of results, including a linkedin profile. Her phone and address shouldn't be hard to find. An educator and author, she might know the family history. Let me/us know if you don't find her and I will take a look later today or tomorrow. Busy right now.
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Interesting snippets for you.
Messenger-Press Allentown, New Jersey 21 Dec 2006, Thu Page 9
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58688070/c-w-w-21-december-2006/
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58688096/guest-column-cw-w-part1/
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58688112/part-2-21-december-2006/
Sandra
Added - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58688292/november-2006/
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Loads of references ........just a few here......
Messenger-Press Allentown, New Jersey 18 Jul 1974, Thu Page 10
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58688451/18-july-1974/
Messenger-Press Allentown, New Jersey 20 May 1976, Thu Page 6
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/58688561/20-may-1976/
Sandra
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Sandra & Oldohiohome I now have received a communication from a grandaughter of Patrick Cotter hopefully will find some info if she knows but she is coming from Patricks 2nd marriage so I am a little apprehensive.
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That's good news. Hope she finds something for you. :)
Sandra
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Thank you for keeping us posted.