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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: brigidmac on Monday 07 September 20 12:59 BST (UK)
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In 1971 census John.Maddox 27 a plumber from Malpas cheshire is listed in the household of George Smith a 42 year old porter and his wife margaret YATES and their children
Under George & Margaret are 7 children I know to be theirs Edgar 19 butcher to annie age 3
Under that is eliza crossed out then john Maddox and his wife Eliza 26 from Wrexham
+ 3 more children
Mary OWEN 6
Albert Edward OWEN 3
Annie MADDOX 1 month
The enumerator has described them as daughter son son
So of course transcriptions as them of children of head of household
Several trees have the young OWEN children to George SMITH tho there is no Evidence of this
I suspect they could be children of Eliza MADDOX from a first marriage
Cant find the MADDOX family in 1881
Fresh eyes please
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Birth Dec qtr 1866
Owens Albert E(dwin) Mothers maiden surname Jones
Birkenhead 8a 416
OWENS, MARY ELIZABETH mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1865 March Quarter in
BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 460
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Albert Edwin Owens
Baptism date 17 Feb 1867
Birkenhead, St Mary
Father Thomas Owens
Mother Eliza
ADDED Mary E was also baptised at St Marys 26 February 1865 - Father Thomas occ Engineer Mother Eliza
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Albert is in Birkenhead with his grandmother Elizabeth JONES in 1881.
Debra :)
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Maybe
Death
OWENS, THOMAS age 24
GRO Reference: 1867 Sept Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 254
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Thanks so much ...my sister is going to have to rewrite her beautiful family tree book
Those children may well be related to other branches of our Smith Jones family but they are not Smiths
Ive been looking on ancestry and family search but couldnt find them
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No sign of a Maddox marriage either
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Hi might be wrong, but there is s MADDOCK family in Birkenhead, headed by Thomas aged 39 and wife Eliza 36 b Denbighshire, new children John H b 1873 and Thomas G b 1876 have mmn Jones?
Census ref RG11/3578/80/57
Keyboard86
PS on GRO as MADDOCKS!
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Good idea to look at Maddocks spelling
But it was her first husband called Thomas from rosies findings
The plumbers first name was John
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OK will go with that, but there first child was also an Annie aged 10 on 1881, but I believe she is the Anne Royal Maddocks b Sept qtr 1870 Birkenhead, so not aged 1 month in 1871?
Keyboard86
PS and Eliza 36 was born in Brymbo, a part of Wrexham?
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Annie Royal Maddocks names her father as Thomas Maddocks occ Labourer when she marries Charles Frost in 1894. Witnesses were John Love, Thomas Maddocks & Agnes Mercer
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There is a very detailed tree on Anc* with all the details supplied here plus a lot lot more.
John
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The Maddocks/Owens marriage image on Anc* 19.6.1870 Liverpool.
John
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Thanks john I.ll try and find it.
Im really just eliminating these children from my tree
But there is a distant llink to an adelaide MADDOX so maybe it all links up.
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Yes there are 33 trees with Thomas Maddocks including a beautifully well documented tree
They have 2 possible censuses for 1871
Neither is the Birkenhead one
My tablet keeps freezing ..I.ll check the age of baby Annie yes ,* 1.month
Ive not found Albert Edward OWEN with his grandmother yet either
could you tell me any other details to put into search please Dundee
Ive added them as a floating HYPOTHESIS branch to my tree while I search but will delete if not
Connected
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1881 ref
Piece: 3587
Folio: 11
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Jones 63
Albert E. Owens 14
I think you will find he is Albert EDWIN Owens
OWENS, ALBERT EDWIN JONES
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 416
John
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Im keeping up slowly
The Thomas Maddocks on wedding bans is also a plumber and
Eliza Owens is a widow
She gives fathers name as Timothy JONES which is quite an unusual name at the time
The trees ive looked at so far dont seem to know about her first marriage the Owens children or the Maddox couple s wherabouts in 1871
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Are you looking at the tree submitted by "frosthistory"
John
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Will do John thanks for pointer
Im sorry im so slow
I actually dont know how to search census on Ancestry from folio numbers.
If I find the tree I.should be able to follow their refs
I did find a widowed Thomas with daughter Annie 20 which could be them
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I actually dont know how to search census on Ancestry from folio numbers.
If I find the tree I.should be able to follow their refs.
If you have Ancestry then it's pretty easy using ref numbers.
Go to the year you want ie 1881/1891 etc
Go to england census or scottish or what you require
Scroll down and you should see piece no. , folio no., page no. Enter the numbers people post, click and a list of names should appear. Go to the name you want, click and the image should appear.
Give it a go.
John
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1881 ref
Piece: 3587
Folio: 11
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Jones 63
Albert E. Owens 14
I think you will find he is Albert EDWIN Owens
OWENS, ALBERT EDWIN JONES
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 416
John
Just linking the two together
Albert Edwin Owens
Baptism date 17 Feb 1867
Birkenhead, St Mary
Father Thomas Owens
Mother Eliza
ADDED Mary E was also baptised at St Marys 26 February 1865 - Father Thomas occ Engineer Mother Eliza
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Hi rosie, that's for linking them up.
John
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Thanks Rosie and John
Technophobe trials
Do you mean search without entering names first ?
I'm not finding a folio page box
And managed to lock myself out of rootschat for 3 hours☹️
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Ok have found census list down the side
Will give it a go
..I may be gone sometime .,
These Maddox's are taking me away from my main project but I do like to know the answers .
Screen is jumping around so i.ll limit search to an hour .
"SUCCESS wow that's really useful for future searches
I've locked myself off rootschat on tablet again but can still access on phone
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Well done, have a good evening. Nothing ventured nothing gained.
John