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Title: Rule of Six
Post by: Rishile on Thursday 10 September 20 18:39 BST (UK)
If I have understood this correctly:

1.  I work with eight other people in my office but this is OK as work is exempt from the rule of six.  If we wanted to celebrate one of these people's birthdays we couldn't do it at the pub or at someone's house but could we have a party at the office?

2.  I could finish work and play an organised sport with this same group of eight people but we couldn't go to the pub afterwards and have a celebratory drink. 

3.  What happens if you have seven people living in one house?

4.  Will there have to be decisions at Christmas regarding who doesn't get invited to Christmas Dinner amongst your family?

5.  How will Christmas parties work?  Will there be a shift system?

6.  Will shops and supermarkets now only allow six people in at once?

Rishile



Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Guy Etchells on Thursday 10 September 20 20:08 BST (UK)
If I have understood this correctly:

1.  I work with eight other people in my office but this is OK as work is exempt from the rule of six.  If we wanted to celebrate one of these people's birthdays we couldn't do it at the pub or at someone's house but could we have a party at the office?

No

2.  I could finish work and play an organised sport with this same group of eight people but we couldn't go to the pub afterwards and have a celebratory drink.

Correct


3.  What happens if you have seven people living in one house?

That depends what you mean. Are they one family?
Do they share facilities? In other words unless you all live together (or are in the same support bubble) it breaks the law.

4.  Will there have to be decisions at Christmas regarding who doesn't get invited to Christmas Dinner amongst your family?

If you wish to invite members of your family who do not live with you yes.

5.  How will Christmas parties work?  Will there be a shift system?

No just keep the numbers to 6 or less and you cannot meet people from more than 4 households per day

6.  Will shops and supermarkets now only allow six people in at once?

Rishile

No they are already covered by different legislation regarding social distancing

Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Maiden Stone on Thursday 10 September 20 21:01 BST (UK)
"Coronavirus (Covid-19): latest information and advice" on HSE website. Links to 4 government websites for UK. https://www.hse.gov.uk/coronavirus/index.htm
Scotland and NI intending to impose restrictions.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Biggles50 on Thursday 10 September 20 21:09 BST (UK)
I would not get your knickers in a twist about Christmas and Office Parties.

The Rules will go though many more iterations between now and Christmas.

To make matters worst some big overweight guy will more than likely break whatever rules are in place by visiting every dwelling on the planet in one night unless of course exemptions are in place.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: heywood on Thursday 10 September 20 21:16 BST (UK)
I would not get your knickers in a twist about Christmas and Office Parties.

The Rules will go though many more iterations between now and Christmas.

To make matters worst some big overweight guy will more than likely break whatever rules are in place by visiting every dwelling on the planet in one night unless of course exemptions are in place.

No mince pies or carrots to be left out - just hand sanitizer and  wipes for the sleigh.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Maiden Stone on Thursday 10 September 20 21:20 BST (UK)
The Rules will go though many more iterations between now and Christmas.

To make matters worst some big overweight guy will more than likely break whatever rules are in place by visiting every dwelling on the planet in one night unless of course exemptions are in place.

You forgot to include the word "elderly" in the guy's description.
He'll be able to claim exemption because house visits are essential to his work. Plus occupants are small humans. The big man may be required to visit by appointment so that an adult can do necessary pre & post disinfecting. Alternatively the big man could deliver by drone.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Maiden Stone on Thursday 10 September 20 21:26 BST (UK)
No mince pies or carrots to be left out - just hand sanitizer and  wipes for the sleigh.

His sack will be full of used wipes by the time he arrives home. Have studies been done on incidence of C-19 in deer? Just heard that vaccine development for coronavirus in cats has so far been disappointing. 
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: roopat on Thursday 10 September 20 21:35 BST (UK)
How many people have noticed that protests and political activities are exempt from the rule of six as long as they have Covid risk assessments in place? (Wonder who'll be checking those? When I took school groups abroad I completed detailed risk assessments for them simply to be filed & forgotten at County Hall  ::) )


I think I'm going to form a new activist group round about, er, 25 December, and ask all my family, friends, neighbours to join me. I'm sure we'll be able to think of something to protest about. We might get a bit chilly in the marquee but I'm sure we'll manage especially if some of us make speeches - plenty of hot air there.  ;D
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Maiden Stone on Thursday 10 September 20 21:38 BST (UK)
3.  What happens if you have seven people living in one house?

That depends what you mean. Are they one family?
Do they share facilities? In other words unless you all live together (or are in the same support bubble) it breaks the law.


If they share facilities and live as 1 household then they are 1 household. You don't have to exile members to a garage or garden shed.
Unless you're Judy Murray, famous tennis mum. She made a video in March about convincing son no.3, (who as far as I know doesn't exist) that government regulations made it necessary for him to live in the loft for 18 months.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Maiden Stone on Thursday 10 September 20 21:43 BST (UK)
I think I'm going to form a new activist group round about, er, 25 December, and ask all my family, friends, neighbours to join me. I'm sure we'll be able to think of something to protest about. We might get a bit chilly in the marquee but I'm sure we'll manage especially if some of us make speeches - plenty of hot air there.  ;D

As long as you don't start singing. Anyone who feels the desire to sing will have to exit marquee and sing outside at a safe distance. "Silent Night" would be an appropriate choice.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: dowdstree on Thursday 10 September 20 22:09 BST (UK)
The Scottish Government update today and the new guidelines are now no more than 6 people from 2 different households either in your home/garden/pub or restaurant.

We had 8 people from 3 different households at our home on Sunday for our Anniversary (within the then guidelines) It was not a raucous drink fuelled "rave" just a quiet family celebration with wipes, hand sanitiser and social distancing. This was the first time we had all been together in the one place for 6 months. For my husband's birthday next Saturday we will have to cut the numbers to comply with the new guidelines. Looks like he will have to celebrate his birthday on 2 different days to comply and accommodate our children and grandchildren.

I am very disappointed to say the least but I know that all 4 of the UK governments are trying their best to keep us safe and kick start the economy but it is becoming a full time job keeping up with it all.

As for Christmas and Santa I am not even thinking that far ahead at the moment as my head hurts.

Dorrie

Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Maiden Stone on Thursday 10 September 20 22:28 BST (UK)
Children under the age of 12 are not to be included in the Six in Scotland. A gathering in Scotland can be 6 people over the age of 12 + unspecified number of children under 12. A six year-old child is not in the Six in Scotland. "Now We Are Six". Christopher Robin will explain it to Pooh.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: dowdstree on Thursday 10 September 20 22:34 BST (UK)
Thank you Maiden Stone for expanding on my post.

When I mentioned grandchildren ours are 18 and 15 so are "counted" in the Six.

Dorrie

Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Biggles50 on Thursday 10 September 20 23:24 BST (UK)
Our 10 year old Grandson is in a class bubble and at school they have systems in place to comply with the Covid rules.

Yet once out if the school gates he can go to Football practice and get close to Boys from all over the Town which just happens to have one if the Countries highest Covid rates.

Then on Sunday morning he has the competitive Football match where they play a team from yes, another Town with a very high Covid infection rate.

The rules make zero sense.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Maiden Stone on Friday 11 September 20 04:17 BST (UK)
Children under the age of 12 are not to be included in the Six in Scotland. A gathering in Scotland can be 6 people over the age of 12 + unspecified number of children under 12.

The Secret Seven will need to move to Scotland if they want to continue their meetings. Plenty of bothies for them to meet in. Alternatively they could stay in England and meet in secret.
Famous Five would be advised to remain on the island where they've been since Easter hols when lockdown began. They have been safe there as the only other occupants are puffins and seals. Although they may not be the Famous Five anymore. They might have eaten Timmy the dog (in a ginger beer marinade) when they ran out of food or he may have eaten them.  :o
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Rishile on Friday 11 September 20 08:32 BST (UK)
I fear that Santa's biggest problem will be self-isolating when he arrives in the UK.  Will he leave the UK to last or maybe come early then travel to all the other countries?  Interesting thought.

The main point I was trying to make was that although rules, generally, are good, they become farcical when exemptions are made.  This is the big problem.  You can do this if you are in the office, but you can't when you are in the pub.  You can see your family of seven if you all work together (there's a thought) but you can't have Christmas dinner together.  I had already thought about the protest issue.  I foresee a lot of protests in the next few weeks - mostly people eating birthday cake etc.

Rishile
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Skoosh on Friday 11 September 20 08:45 BST (UK)
@ Maiden Stone, meetings in bothies in Scotland are off the menu, the Mountain Bothies Ass' has closed theirs for the for-seeable future. Traditionally, a bothy is never full & turning over during the night can mean everybody in the room turns over, hence the prohibition. Bring a tent!  ;D

Bests,
Skoosh.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Pheno on Friday 11 September 20 09:09 BST (UK)
Children under the age of 12 are not to be included in the Six in Scotland. A gathering in Scotland can be 6 people over the age of 12 + unspecified number of children under 12. A six year-old child is not in the Six in Scotland.

Not sure this is quite how it goes.  Agreed children under 12 are not counted as part of the 6 but as I understand it they must still all only come from the same 2 households as the 6 adults.  This is why younger children's birthday parties will be illegal.

Pheno
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 11 September 20 12:35 BST (UK)
My mother changed her 90,th birthday celebrations to breakfast with ,5 others lunch.with another household and afternoon tea with another group of 6 ..,it was mostly outdoor lots of precautions but it worked well

I didnt attend so others could and also because im near Leicester

Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: jillruss on Friday 11 September 20 13:25 BST (UK)
"To make matters worst some big overweight guy will more than likely break whatever rules are in place by visiting every dwelling on the planet in one night unless of course exemptions are in place".

I hope he's going to test his eyesight first before setting off on such a long journey?  ;D

"Will there have to be decisions at Christmas regarding who doesn't get invited to Christmas Dinner amongst your family?"

You mean I might not get my Christmas dinner? Yikes! This covid thing has suddenly got serious!!  ;D

I suspect most people (obviously not the people contributing to this thread!) will be a lot less pedantic and will just get on with it. Happy Christmas!
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: dowdstree on Friday 11 September 20 13:37 BST (UK)
I love your sense of humour jillruss  ;D ;D

Beginning to get worried too about our Christmas dinner. We will maybe have to stay at home gnawing on a chicken leg between us.  ???

I do hope the big fat guy goes to spec savers well before his long journey and doesn't trust a trial run of around 30 miles  :-X

Dorrie
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Friday 11 September 20 16:05 BST (UK)


I suspect most people (obviously not the people contributing to this thread!) will be a lot less pedantic and will just get on with it. Happy Christmas!

Not patronising at all, then.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: louisa maud on Friday 11 September 20 18:17 BST (UK)
My granddaughter is due to return to her house in Sheffield, plus 6 other people share her student dwelling, I wonder how she will get on with the rule of 6, all of these students, 7 of them  have been paying rent since they all returned home when lockdown started, they really cannot afford to keep paying rent and not being allowed to return next week to university

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Maiden Stone on Friday 11 September 20 18:32 BST (UK)
I fear that Santa's biggest problem will be self-isolating when he arrives in the UK.  Will he leave the UK to last or maybe come early then travel to all the other countries?  Interesting thought.

Feast of St. Nicholas is 6th December. His timetable is likely to be:
c.6th December: some European countries
c.9th-23rd Dec. isolation period
24th-25th Dec. Britain
26th Dec. -4th Jan. isolation
5th-7th Jan. Russia + European countries not visited in December
N.B. Timetable subject to change or cancellation.
 
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: cuffie81 on Friday 11 September 20 18:42 BST (UK)
My granddaughter is due to return to her house in Sheffield, plus 6 other people share her student dwelling, I wonder how she will get on with the rule of 6, all of these students, 7 of them  have been paying rent since they all returned home when lockdown started, they really cannot afford to keep paying rent and not being allowed to return next week to university

Louisa Maud

Households of more than six are allowed to mix and socialise together. Although there isn't any any explicit mention of student households in the English Government's guidelines I'm sure the same rules apply to them as per any other household.

Quote
Coronavirus outbreak FAQs: what you can and can't do
9 September 2020
2.10 When can I gather in groups of more than 6?

If you live in a household with more than 6 people, you can continue to gather in and attend all settings together. This same applies for your support bubbles. All venues should continue to accomodate groups larger than 6 who live together or are in the same support bubble to gather in and use their services and venues.

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01pvl/
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Rishile on Friday 11 September 20 18:56 BST (UK)
I fear that Santa's biggest problem will be self-isolating when he arrives in the UK.  Will he leave the UK to last or maybe come early then travel to all the other countries?  Interesting thought.

Feast of St. Nicholas is 6th December. His timetable is likely to be:
c.6th December: some European countries
c.9th-23rd Dec. isolation period
24th-25th Dec. Britain
26th Dec. -4th Jan. isolation
5th-7th Jan. Russia + European countries not visited in December
N.B. Timetable subject to change or cancellation.

What will happen about all the other countries like US and Australia etc?

Rishile
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Maiden Stone on Friday 11 September 20 19:18 BST (UK)
Rishile reply #25. St. Nicholas will visit 1 continent per year. Apologies for any disappointment. Substitute Santas are on furlough. Many are in an "at risk" group.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Rishile on Friday 11 September 20 19:25 BST (UK)
Rishile reply #25. St. Nicholas will visit 1 continent per year. Apologies for any disappointment. Substitute Santas are on furlough. Many are in an "at risk" group.

I did wonder if Santa would be working at home this year  ;D

Rishile
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: BushInn1746 on Friday 11 September 20 20:18 BST (UK)
Just found this from May ...
Demand for doomsday bunkers is at an all-time high

Reminds me of the song by ...
The Jam Going Underground   ;D  ;D

Mark
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Stanwix England on Friday 11 September 20 21:16 BST (UK)
We've just been asked by my son's school to be careful to keep apart when picking up the children in order to comply with the 'groups of six' rule. The problem with that is there isn't enough room for all the parents to do that. I feel that a lot of pressure is being put on schools to achieve something that they can't possibly achieve.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Maiden Stone on Saturday 12 September 20 00:22 BST (UK)
Rishile reply #25. St. Nicholas will visit 1 continent per year. Apologies for any disappointment. Substitute Santas are on furlough. Many are in an "at risk" group.

I did wonder if Santa would be working at home this year  ;D

Rishile
Stop press. Possible alternative Christmas arrangement for Australasia. A leak from a well-placed source suggests that Father Christmas is considering cancelling his usual summer holiday cruise. He  may instead use the time to provide a special delivery service to Australasia if the continent moves Christmastide to June. 
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Guy Etchells on Saturday 12 September 20 08:08 BST (UK)
Rishile reply #25. St. Nicholas will visit 1 continent per year. Apologies for any disappointment. Substitute Santas are on furlough. Many are in an "at risk" group.

I did wonder if Santa would be working at home this year  ;D

Rishile

No Santa and his elves have been in quarantine since April in their own bubble, Santa has his own custom made face mask and his sleigh has been fitted with hand sanitiser  and an automatic decontamination capsule in place of the driving seat.
There was a discussion about whether his reindeer would have to comply with the rule of six but as they are in a work environment they will be exempt.
Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Rishile on Saturday 12 September 20 08:21 BST (UK)
Rishile reply #25. St. Nicholas will visit 1 continent per year. Apologies for any disappointment. Substitute Santas are on furlough. Many are in an "at risk" group.

I did wonder if Santa would be working at home this year  ;D

Rishile

No Santa and his elves have been in quarantine since April in their own bubble, Santa has his own custom made face mask and his sleigh has been fitted with hand sanitiser  and an automatic decontamination capsule in place of the driving seat.
There was a discussion about whether his reindeer would have to comply with the rule of six but as they are in a work environment they will be exempt.
Cheers
Guy

I have to admit to a sleepless night worrying about the reindeer.  They would have had to be in two teams of three and no leader to guide them.  Rudolph would have been made redundant.  That really would have been the last straw.

Rishile
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Top-of-the-hill on Saturday 12 September 20 14:19 BST (UK)
  If Australasia moves Christmas to June, it will be in the winter, where it properly belongs!
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Maiden Stone on Saturday 12 September 20 18:40 BST (UK)
I have to admit to a sleepless night worrying about the reindeer.  They would have had to be in two teams of three and no leader to guide them.  Rudolph would have been made redundant.  That really would have been the last straw.

It might have literally been the last straw. Hay and straw might be in short supply this winter and expensive after topsy-turvy seasons, spring drought, wet & windy summer.
May be no hay for crib mangers. Maximum number of shepherds allowed to visit at a time will be 3; or 4 in Scotland. Quarantine guidelines complicate timing for the Three Wise Men. The star and the Holy Family may have left Bethlehem before the foreign gentlemen arrive. 
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Llwyd on Saturday 12 September 20 21:35 BST (UK)
Here in Wales, if they were to congregate outdoors, up to thirty would be able to attend. Consequently the shepherds, the wise men and, of course, the Holy Family could all be accommodated in one group. Result.
 :)
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Maiden Stone on Sunday 13 September 20 00:17 BST (UK)
"A Child's Christmas in Wales" by Dylan Thomas
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: jillruss on Sunday 13 September 20 14:26 BST (UK)
This made me laugh (from Twitter, repeated in today's paper):

" Do not risk lives by meeting in situations where you are not spending money."

More or less sums up the current approach, doesn't it?

Or this, which is along similar lines as our Santa theme:

"The Seven Dwarfs have been advised that as of Monday they can only meet in groups of six. One of them isn't Happy."
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: BushInn1746 on Sunday 13 September 20 15:02 BST (UK)

"The Seven Dwarfs have been advised that as of Monday they can only meet in groups of six. One of them isn't Happy."

 ;D  ;D

You'll be cheering us up next at the Village Social Club.

That's the building next to our Doctor's Surgery which has been seized back by the NHS to use as a Coronavirus Assessment Centre.
 ----------
It's life Jill, but not as we know it.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: jillruss on Sunday 13 September 20 15:59 BST (UK)
That reminds me of a recent cartoon in my newspaper:

Two climbers have just made it to the top of a hill and are gazing out at the vista. One turns to the other and says  - "On a clear day you can see our nearest covid testing centre."
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: dowdstree on Sunday 13 September 20 16:27 BST (UK)
 ;D ;D ;D

Love it.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Rishile on Sunday 13 September 20 18:06 BST (UK)
There is a lot of concern about pantomimes this year.

Snow White and the Five Dwarfs may not be too popular.

Ali Baba and the five thieves sounds a bit of a no-go too.

Cinderella will be under curfew and have to be home by 10.00pm.

Aladdin will have make sure his lamp is properly sanitised.

Puss in Boots may be OK if Boots last that long or it could change to Puss in Marks and Spencer.

Treasure Island may be on the quarantine list by Christmas.

Beauty and the Beast and Goldilocks and the Three Bears are the best choices.

Rishile
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Maiden Stone on Sunday 13 September 20 19:48 BST (UK)
Some people may be relieved if they have an excuse not to spend Christmas with relatives.
The Queen's traditional big family Christmas lunch at Sandringham might be scuppered.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: louisa maud on Sunday 13 September 20 20:34 BST (UK)
My neighbours are making  the most of it, we have been away for a few days and come back to that lot supposedly  talking, all talking at once in the garden,  I am surprised anyone knows what the subject is,  but I must say there were 3 birthdays within 6 days so they are making the most of it, feeling as if " thank God for the rule of 6" coming in

Take care

Louise Maud
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: BushInn1746 on Sunday 13 September 20 21:08 BST (UK)
Louisa and All

The UK situation will become very serious if the daily infection numbers continue to grow.

Reports on today's news indicate sections of society are still living it up, so some will take the health consequences.

Look after yourselves and each other, Mark
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: louisa maud on Sunday 13 September 20 21:26 BST (UK)
Thank you Mark, it is very worrying  to be honest, but chin up everyone

LM
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: BushInn1746 on Sunday 13 September 20 22:31 BST (UK)
Thank you Mark, it is very worrying  to be honest, but chin up everyone

LM

Yes chin up all  :) and Louisa, keep your distance when out, etc, Mark
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: ReadyDale on Monday 14 September 20 15:32 BST (UK)
Just heard that Father Christmas won't be doing his rounds this year, as he will stick to the Lapland Government Guidelines to stay at home to help protect the National Elf Service.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 14 September 20 16:18 BST (UK)
Yes Bushinn I am keeping my distance, written a few mins  ago about my trip to see my twin brother, seems some parts of the country are more fussy than others wearing masks, we were  in a bubble of 4, now we are back home as before being sensible, well as sensible as I can be at my age

Take care

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 14 September 20 16:42 BST (UK)
How to get on with your neighbours  :-X  The mind boggles  :-*

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54142699
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: roopat on Monday 14 September 20 17:28 BST (UK)
The fact is that cases ARE increasing again - hospital admissions low SO FAR - surely if there's anything at all we can do to avoid this terrible disease, it's worth a try? Face masks are perfectly tolerable if irritating, I've had no trouble talking to people & having a laugh with strangers wearing one, I keep my distance as far as possible from others, use sanitiser & wash hands and I accept that numbers of people meeting up have to be restricted.


I don't understand the outrage against these measures - we all know why they've been imposed. Stamping feet & saying 'I'm not doing what the government tells me so there' is not going to help anyone. We aren't being asked to do anything impossible and it's NOT like 1984. It's an incompetent government with no clue how to deal with this situation but (apart from the IoM  ;D ) who else has an answer?


If a few simple things help me & others I'm happy to try them.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 14 September 20 17:42 BST (UK)
I've no problem at all in keeping distances etc.  OH hasn't met with others since the beginning, but he has been my chauffeur at times.  I'm the one who has done the shopping, visited the hospital etc.

My grouch is the idea of "grassing on your neighbours".  It's not the government who will/might suffer, but you are the one to possibly suffer the dire consequences when the neighbours find out! 
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 14 September 20 17:42 BST (UK)
First of all I am not political

I ask myself if anyone could have done better, no one knew what to do about this situation right from the beginning,  as far as I am concerned we all have to do the right thing and as soon as everyone does the better for everyone, frustrating and as boring as it has become..

Just please do the right thing folks to protect us all, I suspect most on this board are over a certain age and mostly doing the right things, others need to be guided

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 14 September 20 17:50 BST (UK)
Let's hope that people behave themselves and that by Christmas things are little laxer.

If not then OH and I will spend Christmas at home - we have one daughter who has three children, and a partner.  So rule of 6 means  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X 

At least I might be spared the dreaded turkey and Christmas pudding!  ;D
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: heywood on Monday 14 September 20 18:09 BST (UK)
Well our Christmas for that last few years has been about 20 of us from 7 households so I doubt that will happen this year. We will have to zoom and coordinate the cracker pulling and joke telling.  :D
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: jillruss on Monday 14 September 20 18:14 BST (UK)


I don't understand the outrage against these measures - we all know why they've been imposed. Stamping feet & saying 'I'm not doing what the government tells me so there' is not going to help anyone. We aren't being asked to do anything impossible and it's NOT like 1984. It's an incompetent government with no clue how to deal with this situation but (apart from the IoM  ;D ) who else has an answer?

If a few simple things help me & others I'm happy to try them.

I should just like to say that I respect everyone's point of view and I would be grateful if you would respect mine and not resort to accusing me of 'stamping my foot' and 'refusing to do what the government tells me to do' and dismissing me as a naughty child.  I was brought up to question and analyse what is going on around me and that is what I am doing whether you like it or not.

My approach to this is, and has always been, that these haphazard measures are not merely the work of an incompetent government but of an overbearing one and that they are causing needless distress to many people.

I am sorry that you consider the IoM's approach to be exemplary - imprisoning people for trying to live their lives as best they can doesn't seem to me to be in any way appropriate in a (supposedly) free society.

'Do the right thing' means different things to different people but most have their own and their fellow citizens best interest at heart.



Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Erato on Monday 14 September 20 18:28 BST (UK)
"needless distress"

Dunno, but I find frequent hand washing, distancing and a mask a lot less stressful than the prospect of disease, hospitalization and death.  But that's just me.  [Oh, and for what it's worth,  I was brought up to question and analyze].
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: mazi on Monday 14 September 20 19:02 BST (UK)
I see things differently, we have five grandchildren and the disruption to their education, their ambitions and the restrictions on their lives is considerable, and for what?, to keep their 80 year old grandad alive for a couple more years.

I would rather be responsible for my own safety than expect 97% of the population to suffer on my behalf, itís not difficult, if you donít want to to catch this illness donít go within two metres of anyone else.

Mike
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: roopat on Monday 14 September 20 19:42 BST (UK)
JillRuss I'm sorry you took exception to my expressing my point of view. I didn't call anybody a naughty child.


I too was brought up to analyse and debate in a family & education system where everyone was entitled to have their say.


Pat
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 14 September 20 20:08 BST (UK)
First of all I am not political

I ask myself if anyone could have done better, no one knew what to do about this situation right from the beginning,  as far as I am concerned we all have to do the right thing and as soon as everyone does the better for everyone, frustrating and as boring as it has become..

Just please do the right thing folks to protect us all, I suspect most on this board are over a certain age and mostly doing the right things, others need to be guided

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: BushInn1746 on Monday 14 September 20 20:21 BST (UK)
"needless distress"

Dunno, but I find frequent hand washing, distancing and a mask a lot less stressful than the prospect of disease, hospitalization and death.  But that's just me.  [Oh, and for what it's worth,  I was brought up to question and analyze].

Well said Erato,

Although not everyone suffering awful after complications now, were originally hospitalised UK as an inpatient.

Some have initially recovered at home from the Respiratory and associated illnesses, but have been left with other awful health problems and disabilities etc., which are expected to continue into the forseeable future.

Take care everyone, Mark
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: BushInn1746 on Monday 14 September 20 20:44 BST (UK)
First of all I am not political

I ask myself if anyone could have done better, no one knew what to do about this situation right from the beginning,  as far as I am concerned we all have to do the right thing and as soon as everyone does the better for everyone, frustrating and as boring as it has become..

Just please do the right thing folks to protect us all, I suspect most on this board are over a certain age and mostly doing the right things, others need to be guided

Louisa Maud

The only thing we have now as a guide, is what has already occurred this Spring / Summer.

Israel now gone into 2nd Full Lockdown.

Louisa, it is though some people have already forgotten Spring/Summer 2020 really happened and are now in denial.

Take care, Mark
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 14 September 20 20:55 BST (UK)

I am sorry that you consider the IoM's approach to be exemplary - imprisoning people for trying to live their lives as best they can doesn't seem to me to be in any way appropriate in a (supposedly) free society.


I am sorry you feel that imprisonment for breaking a law, after signing an agreement, is wrong.
Happened again in the last week: Chap visited his parents in Bulgaria; came back to IoM; went back to work as a delivery driver after just a few days self-isolation.

Result: 8 weeks jail; and all people who he delivered to now have to self-isolate and have tests taken, as well as staff at the restaurant where he worked.

Self-isolation is taken very seriously over here.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: BushInn1746 on Tuesday 15 September 20 08:03 BST (UK)

I am sorry that you consider the IoM's approach to be exemplary - imprisoning people for trying to live their lives as best they can doesn't seem to me to be in any way appropriate in a (supposedly) free society.


I am sorry you feel that imprisonment for breaking a law, after signing an agreement, is wrong.
Happened again in the last week: Chap visited his parents in Bulgaria; came back to IoM; went back to work as a delivery driver after just a few days self-isolation.

Result: 8 weeks jail; and all people who he delivered to now have to self-isolate and have tests taken, as well as staff at the restaurant where he worked.

Self-isolation is taken very seriously over here.

Ah, despite a strict regime of discipline and observance, you are forgetting, the Manx people currently do have the freedom to go to the Theatre, a Concert and go about their daily lives.

We don't have that on the UK mainland yet!

There are advantages to observing the Rule of Law and trying to make the best of it.

Mark
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: pharmaT on Tuesday 15 September 20 09:18 BST (UK)
"needless distress"

Dunno, but I find frequent hand washing, distancing and a mask a lot less stressful than the prospect of disease, hospitalization and death.  But that's just me.  [Oh, and for what it's worth,  I was brought up to question and analyze].

Me too, I also find hand washing distancing and mask wearing preferable to a few weeks of acute illness followed by months (at least) of chronic illness.

Other than taking my girls to school I have been pretty much living as if we were still in lockdown.  People have proven that they cannot isolate even when ill.  For example kid sent home from school with temp of 39.5C, mum dosed her with paracetamol and sent her out to go and knock my door to see if she could come and play with my daughter.  Add in those who've accused me of being lazy and doing nothing during lockdown and even accusations of murder and fraud.  I have no desire to mix with any of them ever again. They have made it clear what they think of me, and that they regard me with contempt so I'll stick to my own company.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: louisa maud on Tuesday 15 September 20 09:26 BST (UK)
People are so nasty at times when we need peace and quiet to do what we have to do

Certainly stick to your own kith and kin

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Skoosh on Tuesday 15 September 20 09:43 BST (UK)
"The Four Freedoms!" articulated by Franklin D Roosevelt did not mention going to a theatre on the Isle of Man!  ;D

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Erato on Tuesday 15 September 20 15:34 BST (UK)
"accused me of being lazy and doing nothing during lockdown and even accusations of murder and fraud"

You never fail to mention this sort of thing.  What is it about you that triggers this constant barrage of demeaning remarks?
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: pharmaT on Tuesday 15 September 20 15:51 BST (UK)
"accused me of being lazy and doing nothing during lockdown and even accusations of murder and fraud"

You never fail to mention this sort of thing.  What is it about you that triggers this constant barrage of demeaning remarks?

You tell me, you appear to delight in it.
Title: Re: Rule of Six
Post by: Pheno on Tuesday 15 September 20 16:26 BST (UK)
"accused me of being lazy and doing nothing during lockdown and even accusations of murder and fraud"

You never fail to mention this sort of thing.  What is it about you that triggers this constant barrage of demeaning remarks?

You tell me, you appear to delight in it.

I have to jump to Erato's defence here.  None of us would know anything about these derogatory remarks except that you are always telling us - so rather think the boot may be on the other foot and you delight in recounting them.

It does seem rather absurb that people accuse you of murder!

Pheno